[Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

[Bill Nolan]

"Wilderness" is an official designation.  Just being a wild place doesn't do
it.  Once an area is designated Wilderness, there are a LOT of restrictions.

 

Bill in Willcox

 

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Esteban
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Do you have a link I can read up more on this?  I will do a seach myself,
but I am curious what "wilderness" means because I can think of MANY caches
here in Tucson that would seem to be part of the "wilderness."

Please excuse my ignorance and thank you for your patience.  I am very, very
new to this all.

- Esteban (bakura82)



On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Brian Casteel <bcasteel at uccinc.net> wrote:

Any area designated as "wilderness", caches are not allowed.  Per the
Wilderness Act of 1964, such items are deemed trash and thus, are not
permitted.

 

Brian

Team A.I.

 

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Esteban
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Shadowace,

I am new to this all and I really appreciate this information you posted
because I honestly had no idea how much trouble the BLM says we should be
going to.  So, for example, if someone hides a parking lot cache at ABC
Supermarket, are they required to contact the BLM first and also the
owner(s) of that land in which the parking lot resides for permission?  Wow.

Also, you said "No wilderness area".  What exactly do you mean by this?

- Esteban (bakura82)

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Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:44 -0700
From: shadowace.az at gmail.com
To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

Another thing that was tried as a reason for the last attempt was to make a
unified front of cachers to represent ourselves with land managers in
regards to placing caches legally with permission.

 Many land managers are ready to see Geocaching outlawed in this state as
well as other states because people simply refuse to follow simple
guidelines such as 'get permission' 'no tribal lands' 'no NPS lands' 'No
Wilderness areas'

 Now you begin to create a governing body to organize all this together and
form a groups to work on it. Many times it is a local group in the area of
the person who gets it going who is then speaking for all cachers in the
state.

 Do you really think you want to be the one going to the BLM and promising
that every cache on BLM land will be placed only after obtaining permission
from the BLM manager of the area?

 http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm

Arizona's 


BLM's Geocaching Game Rules


*	Identify proposed cache locations to the local BLM office before
placing a cache
*	Do not place caches at archaeological sites
*	Obtain a BLM permit for any competitive events, contests for prizes,
paid participation, or caches hosted by commercial business
*	Advise BLM if you observe any misuse or abuse of a cache location

 Do you really want to be the one staking your word that everyone else is
following the rules? 

 Honest show of hands, how many truly get permission before placing a cache?

 I like the idea of a geocaching organization statewide however I also see
truth in reality and know as long as groundspeak is open to everyone then
many will not follow the rules and I for one no longer wish to stick my neck
out with land managers.

~ShadowAce / Dirk


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