[Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

Wed May 21 09:32:20 MST 2008

An area that looks like wilderness and one designated as such, are the same
but incredibly different.  Motorized vehicles are not permitted in
wilderness areas, and even emergency vehicles (helicopters, for example)
require special permission to enter the area below a certain elevation and
then land.  

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What is "Wilderness"?

"Wilderness", as we use the term, is in the context of The
<http://www.wilderness.net/index.cfm?fuse=NWPS&sec=legisAct>  Wilderness Act
of 1964 which is found at Wilderness.net
<http://www.cfpa-nv.org/wilderness_is/www.wilderness.net> , a good source
for educational material. Quoting from Wilderness.net:  "Wilderness is the
land that is - rare, wild places where one can retreat from civilization,
reconnect with the Earth, and find healing, meaning and significance." The
following is excerpted from the Wilderness Act: A Wilderness... is hereby
recognized as an area where the earth and its community of life are
untrammeled by man, where man himself is a visitor and does not remain, an
area of undeveloped Federal land retaining its primeval character and
influence, without permanent improvements or human habitation, which is
protected and managed so as to preserve its natural conditions and which
generally appears to have been affected primarily by the forces of nature,
with the imprint of man's work substantially unnoticeable...". Also
excerpted from the act: "Prohibited Uses... No commercial enterprise, no
permanent road, no temporary road, no use of motor vehicles, motorized
equipment, or motorboats, no landing aircraft, no other form of mechanical
transport, and no structure or installation...". 

http://www.wilderness.net/index.cfm?fuse=NWPS
<http://www.wilderness.net/index.cfm?fuse=NWPS&sec=legisAct> &sec=legisAct

Brian

Team A.I.

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From: az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of
Esteban
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:10 AM
To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

Do you have a link I can read up more on this?  I will do a seach myself,
but I am curious what "wilderness" means because I can think of MANY caches
here in Tucson that would seem to be part of the "wilderness."

Please excuse my ignorance and thank you for your patience.  I am very, very
new to this all.

- Esteban (bakura82)

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Brian Casteel <bcasteel at uccinc.net> wrote:

Any area designated as "wilderness", caches are not allowed.  Per the
Wilderness Act of 1964, such items are deemed trash and thus, are not
permitted.

Brian

Team A.I.

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From: az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of
Esteban
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:03 AM

To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

Shadowace,

I am new to this all and I really appreciate this information you posted
because I honestly had no idea how much trouble the BLM says we should be
going to.  So, for example, if someone hides a parking lot cache at ABC
Supermarket, are they required to contact the BLM first and also the
owner(s) of that land in which the parking lot resides for permission?  Wow.

Also, you said "No wilderness area".  What exactly do you mean by this?

- Esteban (bakura82)

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Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:44 -0700
From: shadowace.az at gmail.com
To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

Another thing that was tried as a reason for the last attempt was to make a
unified front of cachers to represent ourselves with land managers in
regards to placing caches legally with permission.

 Many land managers are ready to see Geocaching outlawed in this state as
well as other states because people simply refuse to follow simple
guidelines such as 'get permission' 'no tribal lands' 'no NPS lands' 'No
Wilderness areas'

 Now you begin to create a governing body to organize all this together and
form a groups to work on it. Many times it is a local group in the area of
the person who gets it going who is then speaking for all cachers in the
state.

 Do you really think you want to be the one going to the BLM and promising
that every cache on BLM land will be placed only after obtaining permission
from the BLM manager of the area?

 http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm

Arizona's 

BLM's Geocaching Game Rules

*	Identify proposed cache locations to the local BLM office before
placing a cache
*	Do not place caches at archaeological sites
*	Obtain a BLM permit for any competitive events, contests for prizes,
paid participation, or caches hosted by commercial business
*	Advise BLM if you observe any misuse or abuse of a cache location

 Do you really want to be the one staking your word that everyone else is
following the rules? 

 Honest show of hands, how many truly get permission before placing a cache?

 I like the idea of a geocaching organization statewide however I also see
truth in reality and know as long as groundspeak is open to everyone then
many will not follow the rules and I for one no longer wish to stick my neck
out with land managers.

~ShadowAce / Dirk

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