[Az-Geocaching] Fire Closures
Brian - Team A.I.
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Thu, 20 May 2004 16:43:53 -0700
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Unfortunately, they can. It's because of the idiots out there who think =
rules/laws don't apply to them. The same people who think it's ok to =
burn off 500-rounds from their 12-gauge and AK-47, that they are too =
good to clean up after themselves and leave it where it falls (I picked =
up about that much last week off Four Peaks Road. It's those same types =
of people who party up the night, wake up in a stupor the next day and =
don't give a crap about the huge mess of beer cans/bottles/vomit they =
leave behind when they head back to their lives. It's those same people =
who kick a dirt clod onto their smoldering embers, and call it a day. =20
I don't think it's fair, and most people don't either. The same people =
I mention above, are the same ones that will cross the yellow tape, the =
same ones that will cut locks on restricted areas, and the same ones =
that will carelessly start a fire and don't bother with making sure its =
out before they leave. Just look at Bulldog Canyon. The Rangers have =
told me AT LEAST once a month someone cuts the locks, deliberately =
leaves the gates open, or writes the combination of the month on the =
gate itself. The west end has large caliber bullet holes in it because =
people have tried to shoot the lock off. In response to all of that, =
they have a very thick chain on the gate now, require ALL OHV vehicles =
to be registered (they were supposed registered to be to begin with), =
and require that the plates to those same OHV vehicles be listed on the =
permit you apply for. The fines are significant, and I'm glad they took =
such a stance, but it's a shame they had to do so. Going to Grandpa =
Abe's cache one day, I was shot at by some mindless jerk shooting in the =
restricted area. I surprised him while he was reloading, and ruined his =
day. By the time he scurried out to his vehicle, MCSO was just pulling =
in, took his gun and thanked him with a $5000 fine. Again, it's a shame =
it had to come to that.
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Gordon L Flatt=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Fire Closures
I'm so confused...............how can they "CLOSE" a National =
Forest??? Is that legal??? I can understand fire restrictions, but =
closers seem to be a slap in the face for those of us that are more than =
careful when out in the wilderness!
I can't like this........
Gordon
Coyote1022
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Regan =
Smith
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:33 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fire Closures
Tonto Closures Start Today =20
05/20/2004 17:29:47
(Phoenix, AZ) -- Closures are going into effect today in the =
Tonto National Forest, due to the extreme fire danger. They will take =
place around the communities of Pine and Strawberry, north of the Tonto =
Natural Bridge State Park to the Mogollon Rim. The Pinal Mountains south =
of Globe are also closed. Visitors are urged to follow fire safety =
standards, to prevent human-caused wildfires.<
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Unfortunately, they can. It's =
because of the=20
idiots out there who think rules/laws don't apply to them. The =
same people=20
who think it's ok to burn off 500-rounds from their 12-gauge and AK-47, =
that=20
they are too good to clean up after themselves and leave it where it =
falls (I=20
picked up about that much last week off Four Peaks Road. It's =
those same=20
types of people who party up the night, wake up in a stupor the next day =
and=20
don't give a crap about the huge mess of beer cans/bottles/vomit they =
leave=20
behind when they head back to their lives. It's those same people =
who kick=20
a dirt clod onto their smoldering embers, and call it a day. =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't think it's fair, and most =
people don't=20
either. The same people I mention above, are the same ones that =
will cross=20
the yellow tape, the same ones that will cut locks on restricted areas, =
and the=20
same ones that will carelessly start a fire and don't bother with making =
sure=20
its out before they leave. Just look at Bulldog Canyon. The =
Rangers=20
have told me AT LEAST once a month someone cuts the locks, deliberately =
leaves=20
the gates open, or writes the combination of the month on the gate =
itself. =20
The west end has large caliber bullet holes in it because people have =
tried to=20
shoot the lock off. In response to all of that, they have a very =
thick=20
chain on the gate now, require ALL OHV vehicles to be registered (they =
were=20
supposed registered to be to begin with), and require that the plates to =
those=20
same OHV vehicles be listed on the permit you apply for. The fines =
are=20
significant, and I'm glad they took such a stance, but it's a shame they =
had to=20
do so. Going to Grandpa Abe's cache one day, I was shot at by some =
mindless jerk shooting in the restricted area. I surprised him =
while he=20
was reloading, and ruined his day. By the time he scurried out to =
his=20
vehicle, MCSO was just pulling in, took his gun and thanked him with a =
$5000=20
fine. Again, it's a shame it had to come to that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Brian</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Team A.I.</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dglflatt@mpsaz.org href=3D"mailto:glflatt@mpsaz.org">Gordon =
L Flatt</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 20, 2004 =
3:51=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
Fire=20
Closures</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D610494822-20052004><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">I'm =
so=20
confused...............how can they "CLOSE" a National Forest??? =
Is that=20
legal??? I can understand fire restrictions, but closers seem to =
be a=20
slap in the face for those of us that are more than careful when out =
in the=20
wilderness!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D610494822-20052004><FONT=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D610494822-20052004><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">I =
can't like=20
this........</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D610494822-20052004><FONT=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D610494822-20052004><FONT=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Gordon</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D610494822-20052004><FONT=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Coyote1022</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><U><FONT face=3DCOM><FONT=20
color=3D#008000><EM><BR></EM></FONT></FONT></U> </DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
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href=3D"mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com">az-geocachi=
ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com</A>=20
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]<B>On Behalf =
Of=20
</B>Regan Smith<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:33 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Az-Geocaching] Fire=20
Closures<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<TD align=3Dleft><FONT class=3DNewsTitle>Tonto Closures Start =
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<TD align=3Dleft colSpan=3D2><FONT class=3DNewsDate>05/20/2004=20
17:29:47</FONT><BR>
<P align=3Dleft>(Phoenix, AZ) -- Closures are going into =
effect today in=20
the Tonto National Forest, due to the extreme fire danger. =
They will=20
take place around the communities of Pine and Strawberry, =
north of the=20
Tonto Natural Bridge State Park to the Mogollon Rim. The Pinal =
Mountains south of Globe are also closed. Visitors are urged =
to follow=20
fire safety standards, to prevent human-caused=20
=
wildfires.<</P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUO=
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