[Az-Geocaching] Fire Closures
Brian - Team A.I.
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Thu, 20 May 2004 16:33:33 -0700
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You have some seriously repressed anger over certain issues in your =
life, man. Y'know, it is understandable to be frustrated with the fact =
that a part-time wildland firefighter caused the first fire in order to =
make some money. If anything, it is a testament to the conditions some =
Native American tribes face, especially when you consider how one of =
their chief sources of revenue has operated only a fraction of normal =
due to lack of snow during the past several winters. It is also =
understandable to be angry with the woman who started a fire she could =
not control in order to be rescued from the wilderness she had a =
significant hand in burning down (yes, she was in a closed area). We =
could go on and on about the what-ifs and wtf's, but it's over, it's =
done, it's time to move on.
Then we have the news stories about a FEW firefighters who started a =
fire at the behest of another, over a money dispute. Ok, I was angry, =
and embarassed for the departments that are being smeared through the =
mud due to the actions of a select few. Your previous statement (that =
triggered this), appears to lump all firefighters in the basket of =
pyromaniacs, who like to start fires for fun. Even if you were involved =
in a crash, and you told such a thing to the faces of the 4,8, or even =
12 firefighters working to free you from your vehicle so that you may =
live another day, they would still work just as hard to get you out of =
that vehicle. Sure, they might be pissed off at what you said, but =
their job is one of public service. Don't belittle all of them because =
of the poor decision making on the part of a few.
Brian
Team A.I.
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From: William Noll=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Fire Closures
Yes, the US Forest Service can 'close' a forest. Shut and lock the =
gates, fine trespassers. Only campgrounds will remain open. Check out =
the USFS website for more info. Last year they closed the forests, and =
the biggest wildfire in Arizona was started by 1)A loser firefighter =
from the White Mountain Apache Reservation, and 2)A loser 'hiker' who =
started a signal fire. (Yes, I know she wasn't technically a hiker, =
that's what the RAG called her, but what was she doing up there?)
=20
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From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of =
Gordon L Flatt
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:51 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Fire Closures
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I'm so confused...............how can they "CLOSE" a National =
Forest??? Is that legal??? I can understand fire restrictions, but =
closers seem to be a slap in the face for those of us that are more than =
careful when out in the wilderness!
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I can't like this........
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Gordon
Coyote1022
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You have some seriously repressed anger =
over=20
certain issues in your life, man. Y'know, it is understandable to =
be=20
frustrated with the fact that a part-time wildland firefighter caused =
the first=20
fire in order to make some money. If anything, it is a testament =
to the=20
conditions some Native American tribes face, especially when you =
consider=20
how one of their chief sources of revenue has operated only a fraction =
of normal=20
due to lack of snow during the past several winters. It is also=20
understandable to be angry with the woman who started a fire she could =
not=20
control in order to be rescued from the wilderness she had a significant =
hand in=20
burning down (yes, she was in a closed area). We could go on and =
on about=20
the what-ifs and wtf's, but it's over, it's done, it's time to move=20
on.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Then we have the news stories about a =
FEW=20
firefighters who started a fire at the behest of another, over a money=20
dispute. Ok, I was angry, and embarassed for the departments that =
are=20
being smeared through the mud due to the actions of a select few. =
Your=20
previous statement (that triggered this), appears to lump all =
firefighters in=20
the basket of pyromaniacs, who like to start fires for fun. Even =
if you=20
were involved in a crash, and you told such a thing to the faces of the =
4,8, or=20
even 12 firefighters working to free you from your vehicle so that you =
may live=20
another day, they would still work just as hard to get you out of that=20
vehicle. Sure, they might be pissed off at what you said, but =
their job is=20
one of public service. Don't belittle all of them because of the =
poor=20
decision making on the part of a few.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Brian</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Team A.I.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dwnoll@cybertrails.com =
href=3D"mailto:wnoll@cybertrails.com">William=20
Noll</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 20, 2004 =
4:07=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
Fire=20
Closures</DIV>
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Arial">Yes, the=20
US Forest Service can =91close=92 a forest. Shut and lock the gates, =
fine=20
trespassers. Only campgrounds will remain open. Check out the USFS =
website for=20
more info. Last year they closed the forests, and the biggest wildfire =
in=20
<st1:State w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Arizona</st1:place></st1:State> was=20
started by 1)A loser firefighter from the White Mountain Apache =
Reservation,=20
and 2)A loser =91hiker=92 who started a signal fire. (Yes, I know she =
wasn=92t=20
technically a hiker, that=92s what the RAG called her, but what was =
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az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Gordon L =
Flatt<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, May 20, 2004 =
3:51=20
PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> =
<st1:PersonName=20
w:st=3D"on">listserv@azgeocaching.com</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
Fire=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">I'm so=20
confused...............how can they "CLOSE" a National Forest??? =
Is that=20
legal??? I can understand fire restrictions, but closers seem to =
be a=20
slap in the face for those of us that are more than careful when out =
in the=20
wilderness!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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