From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 1 04:38:40 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 0:38:40 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel Message-ID: <20030901043844.HNSJ15700.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1062391120488_xTbjx8,i0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They might have wondered what I was doing by the mailboxes at midnight snapping a picture in the dark a few months back. But I thought they were aware of Geocaching? Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Regan L Smith" > Date: 2003/08/31 Sun PM 04:05:06 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel > > Yes I thought the same thing but was to tired to member the quote. > Thank you for posting it :) > > > Team Evil Fish has a camera and not afraid to use it > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Brekke > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:44 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel > > > In the East Valley Tribune today, there is an article about the couple who tried to sell the Condo where Bob Crane was killed on eBay. Jist of the article is that they didn't have any takers. > > However at the end of the article is a quite humorous little tidbit, and I quote: > > "The Herbsts also occasionally saw sightseers wandering around outside, sometimes taking photos. Still, no one ever knocked on the door or called." "You know, we've never had that (happen) since we bought the place," she said. > > I think I may know who some of those people were...in fact I do know that 1 group on July 12th was my son Brad and I. > ------=____1062391120488_xTbjx8,i0o Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
Yes I thought the same thing but was to tired to member the quote.
Thank you for posting it :)
 
 
Team Evil Fish has a camera and not afraid to use it
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Brekke
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:44 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel

In the East Valley Tribune today, there is an article about the couple who tried to sell the Condo where Bob Crane was killed on eBay.  Jist of the article is that they didn't have any takers.
 
However at the end of the article is a quite humorous little tidbit, and I quote:
 
"The Herbsts also occasionally saw sightseers wandering around outside, sometimes taking photos.  Still, no one ever knocked on the door or called."  "You know, we've never had that (happen) since we bought the place,"  she said.
 
I think I may know who some of those people were...in fact I do know that 1 group on July 12th was my son Brad and I.
------=____1062391120488_xTbjx8,i0o-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 1 05:13:27 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bryon Culling) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel In-Reply-To: <20030901043844.HNSJ15700.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20030901051327.50796.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> --0-628700532-1062393207=:50581 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii they probibly just gave a simple answer so they didn't have to explain geocashing to the reporter. Or the reporter kept to the story at hand wout out going off on a tangent with a geocashing story. who knows. it's still rather funny if you ask me. bcasteel@cox.net wrote:They might have wondered what I was doing by the mailboxes at midnight snapping a picture in the dark a few months back. But I thought they were aware of Geocaching? Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Regan L Smith" > Date: 2003/08/31 Sun PM 04:05:06 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel > > Yes I thought the same thing but was to tired to member the quote. > Thank you for posting it :) > > > Team Evil Fish has a camera and not afraid to use it > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Brekke > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:44 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel > > > In the East Valley Tribune today, there is an article about the couple who tried to sell the Condo where Bob Crane was killed on eBay. Jist of the article is that they didn't have any takers. > > However at the end of the article is a quite humorous little tidbit, and I quote: > > "The Herbsts also occasionally saw sightseers wandering around outside, sometimes taking photos. Still, no one ever knocked on the door or called." "You know, we've never had that (happen) since we bought the place," she said. > > I think I may know who some of those people were...in fact I do know that 1 group on July 12th was my son Brad and I. > Yes I thought the same thing but was to tired to member the quote. Thank you for posting it :) Team Evil Fish has a camera and not afraid to use it ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Brekke To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel In the East Valley Tribune today, there is an article about the couple who tried to sell the Condo where Bob Crane was killed on eBay. Jist of the article is that they didn't have any takers. However at the end of the article is a quite humorous little tidbit, and I quote: "The Herbsts also occasionally saw sightseers wandering around outside, sometimes taking photos. Still, no one ever knocked on the door or called." "You know, we've never had that (happen) since we bought the place," she said. I think I may know who some of those people were...in fact I do know that 1 group on July 12th was my son Brad and I. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-628700532-1062393207=:50581 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
they probibly just gave a simple answer so they didn't have to explain geocashing to the reporter. Or the reporter kept to the story at hand wout out going off on a tangent with a geocashing story.  who knows.  it's still rather funny if you ask me.

bcasteel@cox.net wrote:
They might have wondered what I was doing by the mailboxes at midnight snapping a picture in the dark a few months back. But I thought they were aware of Geocaching?

Brian
Team A.I.
>
> From: "Regan L Smith"
> Date: 2003/08/31 Sun PM 04:05:06 EDT
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel
>
> Yes I thought the same thing but was to tired to member the quote.
> Thank you for posting it :)
>
>
> Team Evil Fish has a camera and not afraid to use it
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe Brekke
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:44 PM
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel
>
>
> In the East Valley Tribune today, there is an article about the couple who tried to sell the Condo where Bob Crane was killed on eBay. Jist of the article is that they didn't have any takers.
>
> However at the end of the article is a quite humorous little tidbit, and I quote:
>
> "The Herbsts also occasionally saw sightseers wandering around outside, sometimes taking photos. Still, no one ever knocked on the door or called." "You know, we've never had that (happen) since we bought the place," she said.
>
> I think I may know who some of those people were...in fact I do know that 1 group on July 12th was my son Brad and I.
>
Yes I thought the same thing but was to tired to member the quote.
Thank you for posting it :)
 
 
Team Evil Fish has a camera and not afraid to use it
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Brekke
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:44 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel

In the East Valley Tribune today, there is an article about the couple who tried to sell the Condo where Bob Crane was killed on eBay.  Jist of the article is that they didn't have any takers.
 
However at the end of the article is a quite humorous little tidbit, and I quote:
 
"The Herbsts also occasionally saw sightseers wandering around outside, sometimes taking photos.  Still, no one ever knocked on the door or called."  "You know, we've never had that (happen) since we bought the place,"  she said.
 
I think I may know who some of those people were...in fact I do know that 1 group on July 12th was my son Brad and I.

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-628700532-1062393207=:50581-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 1 13:10:13 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 06:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel In-Reply-To: <20030901043844.HNSJ15700.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20030901131013.35745.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1886753990-1062421813=:34966 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dunno why they said "No one knocks on the door", either, as I stood there and talked to her for about 10 minutes...I guess I don't count.... bcasteel@cox.net wrote:They might have wondered what I was doing by the mailboxes at midnight snapping a picture in the dark a few months back. But I thought they were aware of Geocaching? Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Regan L Smith" > Date: 2003/08/31 Sun PM 04:05:06 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel > > Yes I thought the same thing but was to tired to member the quote. > Thank you for posting it :) > > > Team Evil Fish has a camera and not afraid to use it > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Brekke > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:44 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel > > > In the East Valley Tribune today, there is an article about the couple who tried to sell the Condo where Bob Crane was killed on eBay. Jist of the article is that they didn't have any takers. > > However at the end of the article is a quite humorous little tidbit, and I quote: > > "The Herbsts also occasionally saw sightseers wandering around outside, sometimes taking photos. Still, no one ever knocked on the door or called." "You know, we've never had that (happen) since we bought the place," she said. > > I think I may know who some of those people were...in fact I do know that 1 group on July 12th was my son Brad and I. > Yes I thought the same thing but was to tired to member the quote. Thank you for posting it :) Team Evil Fish has a camera and not afraid to use it ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Brekke To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel In the East Valley Tribune today, there is an article about the couple who tried to sell the Condo where Bob Crane was killed on eBay. Jist of the article is that they didn't have any takers. However at the end of the article is a quite humorous little tidbit, and I quote: "The Herbsts also occasionally saw sightseers wandering around outside, sometimes taking photos. Still, no one ever knocked on the door or called." "You know, we've never had that (happen) since we bought the place," she said. I think I may know who some of those people were...in fact I do know that 1 group on July 12th was my son Brad and I. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1886753990-1062421813=:34966 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Dunno why they said "No one knocks on the door", either, as I stood there and talked to her for about 10 minutes...I guess I don't count....

bcasteel@cox.net wrote:
They might have wondered what I was doing by the mailboxes at midnight snapping a picture in the dark a few months back. But I thought they were aware of Geocaching?

Brian
Team A.I.
>
> From: "Regan L Smith"
> Date: 2003/08/31 Sun PM 04:05:06 EDT
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel
>
> Yes I thought the same thing but was to tired to member the quote.
> Thank you for posting it :)
>
>
> Team Evil Fish has a camera and not afraid to use it
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe Brekke
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:44 PM
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel
>
>
> In the East Valley Tribune today, there is an article about the couple who tried to sell the Condo where Bob Crane was killed on eBay. Jist of the article is that they didn't have any takers.
>
> However at the end of the article is a quite humorous little tidbit, and I quote:
>
> "The Herbsts also occasionally saw sightseers wandering around outside, sometimes taking photos. Still, no one ever knocked on the door or called." "You know, we've never had that (happen) since we bought the place," she said.
>
> I think I may know who some of those people were...in fact I do know that 1 group on July 12th was my son Brad and I.
>
Yes I thought the same thing but was to tired to member the quote.
Thank you for posting it :)
 
 
Team Evil Fish has a camera and not afraid to use it
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Brekke
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:44 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel

In the East Valley Tribune today, there is an article about the couple who tried to sell the Condo where Bob Crane was killed on eBay.  Jist of the article is that they didn't have any takers.
 
However at the end of the article is a quite humorous little tidbit, and I quote:
 
"The Herbsts also occasionally saw sightseers wandering around outside, sometimes taking photos.  Still, no one ever knocked on the door or called."  "You know, we've never had that (happen) since we bought the place,"  she said.
 
I think I may know who some of those people were...in fact I do know that 1 group on July 12th was my son Brad and I.

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1886753990-1062421813=:34966-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 1 13:18:33 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 06:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel In-Reply-To: <20030901051327.50796.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030901131833.71389.qmail@web20502.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1671148838-1062422313=:71317 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, taking a picture outside of someones home at midnight might raise a few eyebrows..they DO have a security guard on the premises...perhaps it might be best to do that particular cache during daylight hours. But I don't know why she said: "Still, no one ever knocked on the door or called." "You know, we've never had that (happen) since we bought the place," she said. Hmmm. I stood right there and talked to her. Maybe I don't count. Bryon Culling wrote: they probibly just gave a simple answer so they didn't have to explain geocashing to the reporter. Or the reporter kept to the story at hand wout out going off on a tangent with a geocashing story. who knows. it's still rather funny if you ask me. bcasteel@cox.net wrote: They might have wondered what I was doing by the mailboxes at midnight snapping a picture in the dark a few months back. But I thought they were aware of Geocaching? Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Regan L Smith" > Date: 2003/08/31 Sun PM 04:05:06 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel > > Yes I thought the same thing but was to tired to member the quote. > Thank you for posting it :) > > > Team Evil Fish has a camera and not afraid to use it > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Brekke > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:44 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel > > > In the East Valley Tribune today, there is an article about the couple who tri! ed to sell the Condo where Bob Crane was killed on eBay. Jist of the article is that they didn't have any takers. > > However at the end of the article is a quite humorous little tidbit, and I quote: > > "The Herbsts also occasionally saw sightseers wandering around outside, sometimes taking photos. > > I think I may know who some of those people were...in fact I do know that 1 group on July 12th was my son Brad and I. > Yes I thought the same thing but was to tired to member the quote. Thank you for posting it :) Team Evil Fish has a camera and not afraid to use it ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Brekke To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel In the East Valley Tribune today, there is an article about the couple who tried to sell the Condo where Bob Crane was killed on eBay. Jist of the article is that they didn't have any takers. However at the end of the article is a quite humorous little tidbit, and I quote: "The Herbsts also occasionally saw sightseers wandering around outside, sometimes taking photos. Still, no one ever knocked on the door or called." "You know, we've never had that (happen) since we bought the place," she said. I think I may know who some of those people were...in fact I do know that 1 group on July 12th was my son Brad and I. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1671148838-1062422313=:71317 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Well, taking a picture outside of someones home at midnight might raise a few eyebrows..they DO have a security guard on the premises...perhaps it might be best to do that particular cache during daylight hours. But I don't know why she said:

 "Still, no one ever knocked on the door or called." "You know, we've never had that (happen) since we bought the place," she said.

Hmmm. I stood right there and talked to her. Maybe I don't count.


Bryon Culling <bculling@yahoo.com> wrote:
they probibly just gave a simple answer so they didn't have to explain geocashing to the reporter. Or the reporter kept to the story at hand wout out going off on a tangent with a geocashing story.  who knows.  it's still rather funny if you ask me.


bcasteel@cox.net wrote:

They might have wondered what I was doing by the mailboxes at midnight snapping a picture in the dark a few months back. But I thought they were aware of Geocaching?
Brian
Team A.I.
>
> From: "Regan L Smith"
> Date: 2003/08/31 Sun PM 04:05:06 EDT
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel
>
> Yes I thought the same thing but was to tired to member the quote.
> Thank you for posting it :)
>
>
> Team Evil Fish has a camera and not afraid to use it
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe Brekke
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:44 PM
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel
>
>
> In the East Valley Tribune today, there is an article about the couple who tri! ed to sell the Condo where Bob Crane was killed on eBay. Jist of the article is that they didn't have any takers.
>
> However at the end of the article is a quite humorous little tidbit, and I quote:
>
> "The Herbsts also occasionally saw sightseers wandering around outside, sometimes taking photos. >
> I think I may know who some of those people were...in fact I do know that 1 group on July 12th was my son Brad and I.
>

Yes I thought the same thing but was to tired to member the quote.
Thank you for posting it :)
 
 
Team Evil Fish has a camera and not afraid to use it
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Brekke
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:44 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel

In the East Valley Tribune today, there is an article about the couple who tried to sell the Condo where Bob Crane was killed on eBay.  Jist of the article is that they didn't have any takers.
 
However at the end of the article is a quite humorous little tidbit, and I quote:
 
"The Herbsts also occasionally saw sightseers wandering around outside, sometimes taking photos.  Still, no one ever knocked on the door or called."  "You know, we've never had that (happen) since we bought the place,"  she said.
 
I think I may know who some of those people were...in fact I do know that 1 group on July 12th was my son Brad and I.

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1671148838-1062422313=:71317-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 1 16:33:27 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:33:27 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel References: <20030901131833.71389.qmail@web20502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002901c370a6$c592cc40$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3706C.191C2680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My guess is that the reference was to someone knocking on the door or = calling about the property sale, not the virtual geocache. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J H/TEAM 360=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:18 AM Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel Well, taking a picture outside of someones home at midnight might = raise a few eyebrows..they DO have a security guard on the = premises...perhaps it might be best to do that particular cache during = daylight hours. But I don't know why she said:=20 "Still, no one ever knocked on the door or called." "You know, we've = never had that (happen) since we bought the place," she said. Hmmm. I stood right there and talked to her. Maybe I don't count.=20 Bryon Culling wrote: they probibly just gave a simple answer so they didn't have to = explain geocashing to the reporter. Or the reporter kept to the story at = hand wout out going off on a tangent with a geocashing story. who = knows. it's still rather funny if you ask me.=20 bcasteel@cox.net wrote:=20 They might have wondered what I was doing by the mailboxes at = midnight snapping a picture in the dark a few months back. But I thought = they were aware of Geocaching?=20 Brian Team A.I. >=20 > From: "Regan L Smith"=20 > Date: 2003/08/31 Sun PM 04:05:06 EDT > To:=20 > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel >=20 > Yes I thought the same thing but was to tired to member the = quote. > Thank you for posting it :) >=20 >=20 > Team Evil Fish has a camera and not afraid to use it > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Joe Brekke=20 > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:44 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel >=20 >=20 > In the East Valley Tribune today, there is an article about the = couple who tri! ed to sell the Condo where Bob Crane was killed on eBay. = Jist of the article is that they didn't ha! ve any takers. >=20 > However at the end of the article is a quite humorous little = tidbit, and I quote: >=20 > "The Herbsts also occasionally saw sightseers wandering around = outside, sometimes taking photos. >=20 > I think I may know who some of those people were...in fact I do = know that 1 group on July 12th was my son Brad and I. >=20 Yes I thought the same thing but was to tired to member the quote. Thank you for posting it :) Team Evil Fish has a camera and not afraid to use it ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Brekke=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel In the East Valley Tribune today, there is an article about the = couple who tried to sell the Condo where Bob Crane was killed on eBay. = Jist of the article is that they didn't have any takers. However at the end of the article is a quite humorous little = tidbit, and I quote: "The Herbsts also occasionally saw sightseers wandering around = outside, sometimes taking photos. Still, no one ever knocked on the = door or called." "You know, we've never had that (happen) since we = bought the place," she said. I think I may know who some of those people were...in fact I do = know that 1 group on July 12th was my son Brad and I. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3706C.191C2680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My guess is that the reference was to = someone=20 knocking on the door or calling about the property sale, not the virtual = geocache.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J = H/TEAM=20 360
Sent: Monday, September 01, = 2003 6:18=20 AM
Subject: Re: Re: = [Az-Geocaching] Hogans=20 Hotel

Well, taking a picture outside of someones home at=20 midnight might raise a few eyebrows..they DO have a security = guard on the=20 premises...perhaps it might be best to do that particular cache during = daylight hours. But I don't know why she said:=20

 "Still, no one ever knocked on the door or called." "You = know, we've=20 never had that (happen) since we bought the place," she said.

Hmmm. I stood right there and talked to her. Maybe I don't count. =


Bryon Culling <bculling@yahoo.com> = wrote:
they probibly just gave a simple answer so they didn't have to = explain=20 geocashing to the reporter. Or the reporter kept to the story at = hand wout=20 out going off on a tangent with a geocashing story.  who = knows. =20 it's still rather funny if you ask me.=20


bcasteel@cox.net wrote:=20

They might have wondered what I was doing by the mailboxes at = midnight=20 snapping a picture in the dark a few months back. But I thought = they were=20 aware of Geocaching?
Brian
Team A.I.
>
> From: = "Regan=20 L Smith"
> Date: 2003/08/31 Sun PM = 04:05:06=20 EDT
> To:
> Subject: Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Hogans Hotel
>
> Yes I thought the = same thing=20 but was to tired to member the quote.
> Thank you for = posting it=20 :)
>
>
> Team Evil Fish has a camera and not = afraid to=20 use it
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe = Brekke=20
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Sent: Sunday, = August 31,=20 2003 12:44 PM
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hogans = Hotel
>=20
>
> In the East Valley Tribune today, there is an = article=20 about the couple who tri! ed to sell the Condo where Bob Crane was = killed=20 on eBay. Jist of the article is that they didn't ha! ve any=20 takers.
>
> However at the end of the article is a = quite=20 humorous little tidbit, and I quote:
>
> "The Herbsts = also=20 occasionally saw sightseers wandering around outside, sometimes = taking=20 photos. >
> I think I may know who some of those people=20 were...in fact I do know that 1 group on July 12th was my son Brad = and=20 I.
>

Yes I thought the same thing but = was to tired=20 to member the quote.
Thank you for posting it = :)
 
 
Team Evil Fish has a camera and = not afraid to=20 use it
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Joe=20 Brekke
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Sunday, August 31, = 2003 12:44=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = Hogans=20 Hotel

In the East Valley = Tribune today,=20 there is an article about the couple who tried to sell the Condo = where=20 Bob Crane was killed on eBay.  Jist of the article is that = they=20 didn't have any takers.
 
However at the end of the = article is a=20 quite humorous little tidbit, and I quote:
 
"The Herbsts also occasionally = saw=20 sightseers wandering around outside, sometimes taking = photos. =20 Still, no one ever knocked on the door or called."  "You = know,=20 we've never had that (happen) since we bought the place,"  = she=20 said.
 
I think I may know who some of = those people=20 were...in fact I do know that 1 group on July 12th was my = son Brad=20 and I.

Do you Yahoo!?
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Yahoo!=20 SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design=20 software ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3706C.191C2680-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 1 19:25:38 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 12:25:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Critters near caches Message-ID: <20030901122549.27032.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Hi all, I thought I'd take this opportunity to remind everyone to be careful around any caches that are in areas that could be good habitat for rattlesnakes (and I guess you should be careful of scorpions, black widows, etc....some of these "urban micros" require reaching into likely critter spots). This fall/wet weather seems to bring them out in the daytime. I recently had a face-to-face with a LARGE Western Diamondback Rattlesnake up on the Agua Fria near Black Canyon City. See GCGK5D. I imagine there are areas in the metro Phoenix area where you could find pit-vipers, but take special care in the boonies. It was kinda funny....I'm not afraid of snakes and, having quite a bit of reptile and walking-in-the-middle-of-nowhere experience, I walk carefully, and noisily. Luckily! It gave this big guy time to rattle and move off to hide. I was innocently following the GPS to the cache while hubby was taking a pic of a pretty cactus about 20 feet behind me when he heard the rattle (cicadas were in the trees, but this was louder) and then heard me calmly say, "Um, we have a rattlesnake in the way, right there...a big one." By the time he walked to where I was stopped in my tracks and watching the snake, he wasn't able to get a pic (it went under a rock). I pick up non-poisonous snakes, Steve Irwin style, just for fun, but rattlers deserve a respectful distance. The other humorous part was that we were on the way to the DBacks game...and ran into a Diamondback, and we did NOT want this one's autograph!! Have fun and BE SAFE OUT THERE!! Trisha "Lightning1996YCJP" Prescott From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 2 07:21:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bryon Culling) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Critters near caches In-Reply-To: <20030901122549.27032.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <20030902072143.93683.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> --0-986061953-1062487303=:92312 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was up on Squaw Peak a few years ago watching the Sunset with a girlfriend. on our way down, we ran accross a small rattler just off the trail. she was clueless and walked right past the thing and never even noticed it. How could you not. I heard it and started looking for it with the flashlight before moving again. It was only about 3 feet off the trail on the up hill side of a switch back but that was close enough. I let it find it's way under a bush before I left. I thought it was kid of cool. I haddent seen one in town before. They are out there. I know South mountain is just full of scorpions. I was up there when I was a kid at night and it seemed like they were everywhere you looked. My folks freaked out and we left. Trisha wrote:Hi all, I thought I'd take this opportunity to remind everyone to be careful around any caches that are in areas that could be good habitat for rattlesnakes (and I guess you should be careful of scorpions, black widows, etc....some of these "urban micros" require reaching into likely critter spots). This fall/wet weather seems to bring them out in the daytime. I recently had a face-to-face with a LARGE Western Diamondback Rattlesnake up on the Agua Fria near Black Canyon City. See GCGK5D. I imagine there are areas in the metro Phoenix area where you could find pit-vipers, but take special care in the boonies. It was kinda funny....I'm not afraid of snakes and, having quite a bit of reptile and walking-in-the-middle-of-nowhere experience, I walk carefully, and noisily. Luckily! It gave this big guy time to rattle and move off to hide. I was innocently following the GPS to the cache while hubby was taking a pic of a pretty cactus about 20 feet behind me when he heard the rattle (cicadas were in the trees, but this was louder) and then heard me calmly say, "Um, we have a rattlesnake in the way, right there...a big one." By the time he walked to where I was stopped in my tracks and watching the snake, he wasn't able to get a pic (it went under a rock). I pick up non-poisonous snakes, Steve Irwin style, just for fun, but rattlers deserve a respectful distance. The other humorous part was that we were on the way to the DBacks game...and ran into a Diamondback, and we did NOT want this one's autograph!! Have fun and BE SAFE OUT THERE!! Trisha "Lightning1996YCJP" Prescott ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-986061953-1062487303=:92312 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I was up on Squaw Peak a few years ago watching the Sunset with a girlfriend.  on our way down, we ran accross a small rattler just off the trail.  she was clueless and walked right past the thing and never even noticed it.  How could you not.  I heard it and started looking for it with the flashlight before moving again.  It was only about 3 feet off the trail on the up hill side of a switch back but that was close enough.  I let it find it's way under a bush before I left.  I thought it was kid of cool.  I haddent seen  one in town before.   They are out there.  I know South mountain is just full of scorpions.  I was up there when I was a kid at night and it seemed like they were everywhere you looked.  My folks freaked out and we left.

Trisha <trisha@brasher.com> wrote:
Hi all,

I thought I'd take this opportunity to remind everyone to be careful
around any caches that are in areas that could be good habitat for
rattlesnakes (and I guess you should be careful of scorpions, black
widows, etc....some of these "urban micros" require reaching into
likely critter spots). This fall/wet weather seems to bring them out
in the daytime.

I recently had a face-to-face with a LARGE Western Diamondback
Rattlesnake up on the Agua Fria near Black Canyon City. See GCGK5D.

I imagine there are areas in the metro Phoenix area where you could
find pit-vipers, but take special care in the boonies.

It was kinda funny....I'm not afraid of snakes and, having quite a bit
of reptile and walking-in-the-middle-of-nowhere experience, I walk
carefully, and noisily. Luckily! It gave this big guy time to rattle
and move off to hide. I was innocently following the GPS to the cache
while hubby was taking a pic of a pretty cactus about 20 feet behind
me when he heard the rattle (cicadas were in the trees, but this was
louder) and then heard me calmly say, "Um, we have a rattlesnake in
the way, right there...a big one." By the time he walked to where I
was stopped in my tracks and watching the snake, he wasn't able to get
a pic (it went under a rock). I pick up non-poisonous snakes, Steve
Irwin style, just for fun, but rattlers deserve a respectful distance.

The other humorous part was that we were on the way to the DBacks
game...and ran into a Diamondback, and we did NOT want this one's
autograph!!

Have fun and BE SAFE OUT THERE!!

Trisha "Lightning1996YCJP"
Prescott
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When the weather cools a bit more, I = want to wander=20 the desert some night looking for scorpions with my black light.  = Since=20 I've found all of Tamo's caches, I need something to do with it until = either the=20 Halloween event or he puts some more of those uber-micros out = there. =20 ;p
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bryon = Culling=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, = 2003 12:21=20 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Critters=20 near caches

I was up on Squaw Peak a few years ago watching the Sunset = with a=20 girlfriend.  on our way down, we ran accross a small rattler just = off the=20 trail.  she was clueless and walked right past the thing and = never even=20 noticed it.  How could you not.  I heard it and started = looking for=20 it with the flashlight before moving again.  It was only about 3 = feet off=20 the trail on the up hill side of a switch back but that was close=20 enough.  I let it find it's way under a bush before I left.  = I=20 thought it was kid of cool.  I haddent seen  one in town=20 before.   They are out there.  I know South mountain is = just=20 full of scorpions.  I was up there when I was a kid at night and = it=20 seemed like they were everywhere you looked.  My folks freaked = out and we=20 left.

Trisha <trisha@brasher.com> wrote:=20
Hi=20 all,

I thought I'd take this opportunity to remind everyone = to be=20 careful
around any caches that are in areas that could be good = habitat=20 for
rattlesnakes (and I guess you should be careful of scorpions, = black
widows, etc....some of these "urban micros" require = reaching=20 into
likely critter spots). This fall/wet weather seems to bring = them=20 out
in the daytime.

I recently had a face-to-face with a = LARGE=20 Western Diamondback
Rattlesnake up on the Agua Fria near Black = Canyon=20 City. See GCGK5D.

I imagine there are areas in the metro = Phoenix area=20 where you could
find pit-vipers, but take special care in the=20 boonies.

It was kinda funny....I'm not afraid of snakes and, = having=20 quite a bit
of reptile and walking-in-the-middle-of-nowhere = experience, I=20 walk
carefully, and noisily. Luckily! It gave this big guy time = to=20 rattle
and move! off to hide. I was innocently following the GPS = to the=20 cache
while hubby was taking a pic of a pretty cactus about 20 = feet=20 behind
me when he heard the rattle (cicadas were in the trees, = but this=20 was
louder) and then heard me calmly say, "Um, we have a = rattlesnake=20 in
the way, right there...a big one." By the time he walked to = where=20 I
was stopped in my tracks and watching the snake, he wasn't able = to=20 get
a pic (it went under a rock). I pick up non-poisonous snakes, = Steve
Irwin style, just for fun, but rattlers deserve a = respectful=20 distance.

The other humorous part was that we were on the way = to the=20 DBacks
game...and ran into a Diamondback, and we did NOT want = this=20 one's
autograph!!

Have fun and BE SAFE OUT = THERE!!

Trisha=20 = "Lightning1996YCJP"
Prescott
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Yahoo!=20 SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design=20 software ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C370EB.1D284630-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 2 08:31:30 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bryon Culling) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 01:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Critters near caches In-Reply-To: <001c01c37125$c9b1fec0$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <20030902083130.40120.qmail@web40908.mail.yahoo.com> --0-808628837-1062491490=:40092 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You don't need to look too far. most of the time, you can find them around your house or with in walking distance. Brian Casteel wrote:When the weather cools a bit more, I want to wander the desert some night looking for scorpions with my black light. Since I've found all of Tamo's caches, I need something to do with it until either the Halloween event or he puts some more of those uber-micros out there. ;p Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryon Culling To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Critters near caches I was up on Squaw Peak a few years ago watching the Sunset with a girlfriend. on our way down, we ran accross a small rattler just off the trail. she was clueless and walked right past the thing and never even noticed it. How could you not. I heard it and started looking for it with the flashlight before moving again. It was only about 3 feet off the trail on the up hill side of a switch back but that was close enough. I let it find it's way under a bush before I left. I thought it was kid of cool. I haddent seen one in town before. They are out there. I know South mountain is just full of scorpions. I was up there when I was a kid at night and it seemed like they were everywhere you looked. My folks freaked out and we left. Trisha wrote: Hi all, I thought I'd take this opportunity to remind everyone to be careful around any caches that are in areas that could be good habitat for rattlesnakes (and I guess you should be careful of scorpions, black widows, etc....some of these "urban micros" require reaching into likely critter spots). This fall/wet weather seems to bring them out in the daytime. I recently had a face-to-face with a LARGE Western Diamondback Rattlesnake up on the Agua Fria near Black Canyon City. See GCGK5D. I imagine there are areas in the metro Phoenix area where you could find pit-vipers, but take special care in the boonies. It was kinda funny....I'm not afraid of snakes and, having quite a bit of reptile and walking-in-the-middle-of-nowhere experience, I walk carefully, and noisily. Luckily! It gave this big guy time to rattle and move! off to hide. I was innocently following the GPS to the cache while hubby was taking a pic of a pretty cactus about 20 feet behind me when he heard the rattle (cicadas were in the trees, but this was louder) and then heard me calmly say, "Um, we have a rattlesnake in the way, right there...a big one." By the time he walked to where I was stopped in my tracks and watching the snake, he wasn't able to get a pic (it went under a rock). I pick up non-poisonous snakes, Steve Irwin style, just for fun, but rattlers deserve a respectful distance. The other humorous part was that we were on the way to the DBacks game...and ran into a Diamondback, and we did NOT want this one's autograph!! Have fun and BE SAFE OUT THERE!! Trisha "Lightning1996YCJP" Prescott ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-808628837-1062491490=:40092 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
You don't need to look too far.  most of the time, you can find them around your house or with in walking distance. 

Brian Casteel <bcasteel@cox.net> wrote:
When the weather cools a bit more, I want to wander the desert some night looking for scorpions with my black light.  Since I've found all of Tamo's caches, I need something to do with it until either the Halloween event or he puts some more of those uber-micros out there.  ;p
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Critters near caches

I was up on Squaw Peak a few years ago watching the Sunset with a girlfriend.  on our way down, we ran accross a small rattler just off the trail.  she was clueless and walked right past the thing and never even noticed it.  How could you not.  I heard it and started looking for it with the flashlight before moving again.  It was only about 3 feet off the trail on the up hill side of a switch back but that was close enough.  I let it find it's way under a bush before I left.  I thought it was kid of cool.  I haddent seen  one in town before.   They are out there.  I know South mountain is just full of scorpions.  I was up there when I was a kid at night and it seemed like they were everywhere you looked.  My folks freaked out and we left.

Trisha <trisha@brasher.com> wrote:
Hi all,

I thought I'd take this opportunity to remind everyone to be careful
around any caches that are in areas that could be good habitat for
rattlesnakes (and I guess you should be careful of scorpions, black
widows, etc....some of these "urban micros" require reaching into
likely critter spots). This fall/wet weather seems to bring them out
in the daytime.

I recently had a face-to-face with a LARGE Western Diamondback
Rattlesnake up on the Agua Fria near Black Canyon City. See GCGK5D.

I imagine there are areas in the metro Phoenix area where you could
find pit-vipers, but take special care in the boonies.

It was kinda funny....I'm not afraid of snakes and, having quite a bit
of reptile and walking-in-the-middle-of-nowhere experience, I walk
carefully, and noisily. Luckily! It gave this big guy time to rattle
and move! off to hide. I was innocently following the GPS to the cache
while hubby was taking a pic of a pretty cactus about 20 feet behind
me when he heard the rattle (cicadas were in the trees, but this was
louder) and then heard me calmly say, "Um, we have a rattlesnake in
the way, right there...a big one." By the time he walked to where I
was stopped in my tracks and watching the snake, he wasn't able to get
a pic (it went under a rock). I pick up non-poisonous snakes, Steve
Irwin style, just for fun, but rattlers deserve a respectful distance.

The other humorous part was that we were on the way to the DBacks
game...and ran into a Diamondback, and we did NOT want this one's
autograph!!

Have fun and BE SAFE OUT THERE!!

Trisha "Lightning1996YCJP"
Prescott
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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-808628837-1062491490=:40092-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 2 14:36:42 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 07:36:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I wonder about this Message-ID: <000801c3715f$a1bc2640$c1104bab@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C37124.F41E65A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have noticed that the cache activity has been nil over the past few = days at AZgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C37124.F41E65A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have noticed that the cache activity = has been nil=20 over the past few days at AZgeocaching.com
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C37124.F41E65A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 2 15:54:55 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:54:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I wonder about this In-Reply-To: <000801c3715f$a1bc2640$c1104bab@fishkiller> References: <000801c3715f$a1bc2640$c1104bab@fishkiller> Message-ID: <3F54BD4F.4090303@snaptek.com> ya due to the recent problems with sucking the data off geocaching.com website we have temporarily only been grabbing new cache data not worrying about activity logs... jason Regan L Smith wrote: >I have noticed that the cache activity has been nil over the past few days at AZgeocaching.com > > > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 2 16:35:17 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:35:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching Roundtable Reminder Message-ID: <001f01c37170$49677a60$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C37135.9D08A260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hope everyone's had an enjoyable, safe, find-filled summer and Labor = Day holiday. This is just a reminder that Thursday, September 30 is the date of what = I guess we can call the=20 "Second Annual" Geocaching-Land Management Roundtable at the Pueblo = Grande Museum, just a block or two from the 44th Street Entrance to Sky Harbor Airport. You can read about the details here: http://www.azgeocaching.com/story.html?story=3D37. This is your opportunity to meet with Land Management representatives = from many of the responsible agencies in the state, find out about their = concerns and issues, and express your own. If you'd like to attend, or if you = have any questions, please email me directly. Thanks. =20 Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C37135.9D08A260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I hope everyone’s had an enjoyable, safe, = find-filled summer and Labor Day holiday.

This is just a reminder that Thursday, September 30 = is the date of what I guess we can call the
”Second Annual” Geocaching-Land Management Roundtable at the = Pueblo Grande Museum, just a block or two from the 44th Street = Entrance to Sky Harbor Airport. You can read about the details here: http://www.azg= eocaching.com/story.html?story=3D37.

This is your opportunity to meet with Land Management representatives from many of the responsible agencies in the state, find = out about their concerns and issues, and express your own. If you’d = like to attend, or if you have any questions, please email me directly. = Thanks.

 

Steve

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------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C37135.9D08A260-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 2 17:02:21 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:02:21 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] travel bugs Message-ID: <47ED631A.2C526B33.0013DAD2@aol.com> I grabben the Fast Stan Bug from Witness Post this weekend. I need to find a spot to place him. In a message dated 8/30/2003 12:14:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, trisha@brasher.com writes: > > There are 4 of the "Racing Belgian Travel Bugs" left up in Witness > Post....Ten started, Lincoln moved 5 down to Prescott area and they > have moved on....Bbudcam, I believe, moved one recently....so anybody > getting up that way near Seligman, please feel free to move these bugs > along...west, east...whatever! > Trisha Prescott > > > > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:31:18 -0400, BBUDCAM@aol.com wrote: > > > > > I saw that bug last weekend. I am heading up to that area again this > > weekend. i f I drive near it i will grab him and put him somewhere > > else. > > > > Cameron > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocach > ing > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 2 19:38:01 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Webb Pickersgill) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:38:01 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Critters near caches In-Reply-To: <001c01c37125$c9b1fec0$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <005a01c37189$b8bd0740$6501010a@pickersgill.local> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C3714F.0C5E2F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can see it now... "Wait... I think I've found Tamo's cache... What a unique container, he put it inside a plastic scorpion... OOOUUUCH!!" Whaahahahaa :) Webb TheWebbman -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian Casteel Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:43 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Critters near caches When the weather cools a bit more, I want to wander the desert some night looking for scorpions with my black light. Since I've found all of Tamo's caches, I need something to do with it until either the Halloween event or he puts some more of those uber-micros out there. ;p Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryon Culling To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Critters near caches I was up on Squaw Peak a few years ago watching the Sunset with a girlfriend. on our way down, we ran accross a small rattler just off the trail. she was clueless and walked right past the thing and never even noticed it. How could you not. I heard it and started looking for it with the flashlight before moving again. It was only about 3 feet off the trail on the up hill side of a switch back but that was close enough. I let it find it's way under a bush before I left. I thought it was kid of cool. I haddent seen one in town before. They are out there. I know South mountain is just full of scorpions. I was up there when I was a kid at night and it seemed like they were everywhere you looked. My folks freaked out and we left. Trisha wrote: Hi all, I thought I'd take this opportunity to remind everyone to be careful around any caches that are in areas that could be good habitat for rattlesnakes (and I guess you should be careful of scorpions, black widows, etc....some of these "urban micros" require reaching into likely critter spots). This fall/wet weather seems to bring them out in the daytime. I recently had a face-to-face with a LARGE Western Diamondback Rattlesnake up on the Agua Fria near Black Canyon City. See GCGK5D. I imagine there are areas in the metro Phoenix area where you could find pit-vipers, but take special care in the boonies. It was kinda funny....I'm not afraid of snakes and, having quite a bit of reptile and walking-in-the-middle-of-nowhere experience, I walk carefully, and noisily. Luckily! It gave this big guy time to rattle and move! off to hide. I was innocently following the GPS to the cache while hubby was taking a pic of a pretty cactus about 20 feet behind me when he heard the rattle (cicadas were in the trees, but this was louder) and then heard me calmly say, "Um, we have a rattlesnake in the way, right there...a big one." By the time he walked to where I was stopped in my tracks and watching the snake, he wasn't able to get a pic (it went under a rock). I pick up non-poisonous snakes, Steve Irwin style, just for fun, but rattlers deserve a respectful distance. The other humorous part was that we were on the way to the DBacks game...and ran into a Diamondback, and we did NOT want this one's autograph!! Have fun and BE SAFE OUT THERE!! Trisha "Lightning1996YCJP" Prescott ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C3714F.0C5E2F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can=20 see it now... "Wait... I think I've found Tamo's cache...  What a = unique=20 container, he put it inside a plastic scorpion... OOOUUUCH!!" =20 Whaahahahaa  :)
 
Webb
TheWebbman
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 Brian Casteel
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:43=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Critters near caches

When the weather cools a bit more, I = want to=20 wander the desert some night looking for scorpions with my black = light. =20 Since I've found all of Tamo's caches, I need something to do with it = until=20 either the Halloween event or he puts some more of those uber-micros = out=20 there.  ;p
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bryon=20 Culling
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, = 2003 12:21=20 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Critters=20 near caches

I was up on Squaw Peak a few years ago watching the Sunset = with a=20 girlfriend.  on our way down, we ran accross a small rattler = just off=20 the trail.  she was clueless and walked right past the thing = and never=20 even noticed it.  How could you not.  I heard it and = started=20 looking for it with the flashlight before moving again.  It was = only=20 about 3 feet off the trail on the up hill side of a switch back but = that was=20 close enough.  I let it find it's way under a bush before I = left. =20 I thought it was kid of cool.  I haddent seen  one in town = before.   They are out there.  I know South mountain = is just=20 full of scorpions.  I was up there when I was a kid at night = and it=20 seemed like they were everywhere you looked.  My folks freaked = out and=20 we left.

Trisha <trisha@brasher.com> = wrote:=20
Hi=20 all,

I thought I'd take this opportunity to remind everyone = to be=20 careful
around any caches that are in areas that could be good = habitat=20 for
rattlesnakes (and I guess you should be careful of = scorpions,=20 black
widows, etc....some of these "urban micros" require = reaching=20 into
likely critter spots). This fall/wet weather seems to = bring them=20 out
in the daytime.

I recently had a face-to-face with a = LARGE=20 Western Diamondback
Rattlesnake up on the Agua Fria near Black = Canyon=20 City. See GCGK5D.

I imagine there are areas in the metro = Phoenix=20 area where you could
find pit-vipers, but take special care in = the=20 boonies.

It was kinda funny....I'm not afraid of snakes = and, having=20 quite a bit
of reptile and walking-in-the-middle-of-nowhere = experience,=20 I walk
carefully, and noisily. Luckily! It gave this big guy = time to=20 rattle
and move! off to hide. I was innocently following the = GPS to the=20 cache
while hubby was taking a pic of a pretty cactus about 20 = feet=20 behind
me when he heard the rattle (cicadas were in the trees, = but this=20 was
louder) and then heard me calmly say, "Um, we have a = rattlesnake=20 in
the way, right there...a big one." By the time he walked to = where=20 I
was stopped in my tracks and watching the snake, he wasn't = able to=20 get
a pic (it went under a rock). I pick up non-poisonous = snakes,=20 Steve
Irwin style, just for fun, but rattlers deserve a = respectful=20 distance.

The other humorous part was that we were on the = way to=20 the DBacks
game...and ran into a Diamondback, and we did NOT = want this=20 one's
autograph!!

Have fun and BE SAFE OUT = THERE!!

Trisha=20 = "Lightning1996YCJP"
Prescott
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------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C3714F.0C5E2F40-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 2 19:45:45 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:45:45 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I wonder about this References: <000801c3715f$a1bc2640$c1104bab@fishkiller> <3F54BD4F.4090303@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <000901c3718a$cde70200$98104bab@fishkiller> Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Poulter" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] I wonder about this > ya due to the recent problems with sucking the data off geocaching.com > website we have temporarily only been grabbing new cache data not > worrying about activity logs... > > jason > > > Regan L Smith wrote: > > >I have noticed that the cache activity has been nil over the past few days at AZgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 2 20:00:41 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:00:41 -0700 Subject: [RE: [Az-Geocaching] Critters near caches] Message-ID: <859HiBuap3696S17.1062532841@uwdvg017.cms.usa.net> Don't give Tamo any ideas. "Webb Pickersgill" wrote: > I can see it now... "Wait... I think I've found Tamo's cache... What a > unique container, he put it inside a plastic scorpion... OOOUUUCH!!" > Whaahahahaa :) > > Webb > TheWebbman > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian > Casteel > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:43 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Critters near caches > > > When the weather cools a bit more, I want to wander the desert some night > looking for scorpions with my black light. Since I've found all of Tamo's > caches, I need something to do with it until either the Halloween event or > he puts some more of those uber-micros out there. ;p > > Brian > Team A.I. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bryon Culling > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Critters near caches > > > I was up on Squaw Peak a few years ago watching the Sunset with a > girlfriend. on our way down, we ran accross a small rattler just off the > trail. she was clueless and walked right past the thing and never even > noticed it. How could you not. I heard it and started looking for it with > the flashlight before moving again. It was only about 3 feet off the trail > on the up hill side of a switch back but that was close enough. I let it > find it's way under a bush before I left. I thought it was kid of cool. I > haddent seen one in town before. They are out there. I know South > mountain is just full of scorpions. I was up there when I was a kid at > night and it seemed like they were everywhere you looked. My folks freaked > out and we left. > > Trisha wrote: > Hi all, > > I thought I'd take this opportunity to remind everyone to be careful > around any caches that are in areas that could be good habitat for > rattlesnakes (and I guess you should be careful of scorpions, black > widows, etc....some of these "urban micros" require reaching into > likely critter spots). This fall/wet weather seems to bring them out > in the daytime. > > I recently had a face-to-face with a LARGE Western Diamondback > Rattlesnake up on the Agua Fria near Black Canyon City. See GCGK5D. > > I imagine there are areas in the metro Phoenix area where you could > find pit-vipers, but take special care in the boonies. > > It was kinda funny....I'm not afraid of snakes and, having quite a bit > of reptile and walking-in-the-middle-of-nowhere experience, I walk > carefully, and noisily. Luckily! It gave this big guy time to rattle > and move! off to hide. I was innocently following the GPS to the cache > while hubby was taking a pic of a pretty cactus about 20 feet behind > me when he heard the rattle (cicadas were in the trees, but this was > louder) and then heard me calmly say, "Um, we have a rattlesnake in > the way, right there...a big one." By the time he walked to where I > was stopped in my tracks and watching the snake, he wasn't able to get > a pic (it went under a rock). I pick up non-poisonous snakes, Steve > Irwin style, just for fun, but rattlers deserve a respectful distance. > > The other humorous part was that we were on the way to the DBacks > game...and ran into a Diamondback, and we did NOT want this one's > autograph!! > > Have fun and BE SAFE OUT THERE!! > > Trisha "Lightning1996YCJP" > Prescott > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 2 21:01:56 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I wonder about this In-Reply-To: <3F54BD4F.4090303@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <20030902210156.98660.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> --0-569995612-1062536516=:98645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can understand....but did you have to do that and leave my numbers stuck at 199? Just a joke, please don't be offended. I appreciate all of the hard work you do for the website and I understand the difficulties you face when the main website goes through any changes. Jason Poulter wrote: ya due to the recent problems with sucking the data off geocaching.com website we have temporarily only been grabbing new cache data not worrying about activity logs... jason Regan L Smith wrote: >I have noticed that the cache activity has been nil over the past few days at AZgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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I can understand....but did you have to do that and leave my numbers stuck at 199?
 
Just a joke, please don't be offended. 
 
I appreciate all of the hard work you do for the website and I understand the difficulties you face when the main website goes through any changes.

Jason Poulter <polt@snaptek.com> wrote:
ya due to the recent problems with sucking the data off geocaching.com
website we have temporarily only been grabbing new cache data not
worrying about activity logs...

jason


Regan L Smith wrote:

>I have noticed that the cache activity has been nil over the past few days at AZgeocaching.com
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Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Cameron (BudCam) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 3 01:14:11 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:14:11 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users References: <3F5521C2.7030305@uccinc.net> Message-ID: <004e01c371b8$af11b400$0500a8c0@one> There are many tool for getting data to and from your GPS. Be more specific as to what you need such as model and uses and I'm sure you will get plenty of responses. Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Tamis" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users > I'm looking for some information from Magellan users that use pc's to > interface with their units. If anyone has a magellan and does this, > could you please email me directly. > > Thanks in advance. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 3 02:00:57 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Marc Tamis) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:00:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users In-Reply-To: <004e01c371b8$af11b400$0500a8c0@one> References: <3F5521C2.7030305@uccinc.net> <004e01c371b8$af11b400$0500a8c0@one> Message-ID: <3F554B59.80207@uccinc.net> I am looking to see if the interface cables are the same between models and what software is needed to get tracking data off and plotted. Loran Wilcox wrote: >There are many tool for getting data to and from your GPS. Be more specific >as to what you need such as model and uses and I'm sure you will get plenty >of responses. > >Team Sand Dollar > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marc Tamis" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:03 PM >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users > > > > >>I'm looking for some information from Magellan users that use pc's to >>interface with their units. If anyone has a magellan and does this, >>could you please email me directly. >> >>Thanks in advance. >> >>____________________________________________________________ >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> >> > > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > -- ============================================================== Ask about our Ultimate Control Access Point (UACP) The Ultimate in Internet Protection and Employee Productivity! http://www.uccinc.net/uacp/ ============================================================== From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 3 02:36:15 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users In-Reply-To: <3F554B59.80207@uccinc.net> Message-ID: <20030903023615.13182.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Just give me a call Marc!602 955 9187 --- Marc Tamis wrote: > I am looking to see if the interface cables are the > same between models > and what software is needed to get tracking data off > and plotted. > > Loran Wilcox wrote: > > >There are many tool for getting data to and from > your GPS. Be more specific > >as to what you need such as model and uses and I'm > sure you will get plenty > >of responses. > > > >Team Sand Dollar > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Marc Tamis" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:03 PM > >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users > > > > > > > > > >>I'm looking for some information from Magellan > users that use pc's to > >>interface with their units. If anyone has a > magellan and does this, > >>could you please email me directly. > >> > >>Thanks in advance. > >> > >>____________________________________________________________ > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >> > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >____________________________________________________________ > >Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > -- > ============================================================== > Ask about our Ultimate Control Access Point (UACP) > The Ultimate in Internet Protection and Employee > Productivity! > http://www.uccinc.net/uacp/ > ============================================================== > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 3 02:42:31 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users In-Reply-To: <20030903023615.13182.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030903024231.55120.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Meridian and sportrack use the same data cable:https://www.magellangps.com/en/store/product.asp?PRODID=126 --- GUY ALDRICH wrote: > Just give me a call Marc!602 955 9187 > > > > > --- Marc Tamis wrote: > > I am looking to see if the interface cables are > the > > same between models > > and what software is needed to get tracking data > off > > and plotted. > > > > Loran Wilcox wrote: > > > > >There are many tool for getting data to and from > > your GPS. Be more specific > > >as to what you need such as model and uses and > I'm > > sure you will get plenty > > >of responses. > > > > > >Team Sand Dollar > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Marc Tamis" > > >To: > > >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:03 PM > > >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I'm looking for some information from Magellan > > users that use pc's to > > >>interface with their units. If anyone has a > > magellan and does this, > > >>could you please email me directly. > > >> > > >>Thanks in advance. > > >> > > > >>____________________________________________________________ > > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > >> > > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________ > > >Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ============================================================== > > Ask about our Ultimate Control Access Point (UACP) > > The Ultimate in Internet Protection and Employee > > Productivity! > > http://www.uccinc.net/uacp/ > > > ============================================================== > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 3 03:29:50 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:29:50 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users References: <3F5521C2.7030305@uccinc.net> <004e01c371b8$af11b400$0500a8c0@one> <3F554B59.80207@uccinc.net> Message-ID: <006601c371cb$a22465e0$0500a8c0@one> The cable is different between the 315 and Sportstrack. I use TopoUSA to download tracks to, but most mapping software have interfaces for GPS's input. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Tamis" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users > I am looking to see if the interface cables are the same between models > and what software is needed to get tracking data off and plotted. > > Loran Wilcox wrote: > > >There are many tool for getting data to and from your GPS. Be more specific > >as to what you need such as model and uses and I'm sure you will get plenty > >of responses. > > > >Team Sand Dollar > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Marc Tamis" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:03 PM > >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users > > > > > > > > > >>I'm looking for some information from Magellan users that use pc's to > >>interface with their units. If anyone has a magellan and does this, > >>could you please email me directly. > >> > >>Thanks in advance. > >> > >>____________________________________________________________ > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >> > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >____________________________________________________________ > >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > -- > ============================================================== > Ask about our Ultimate Control Access Point (UACP) > The Ultimate in Internet Protection and Employee Productivity! > http://www.uccinc.net/uacp/ > ============================================================== > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 3 05:29:06 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:29:06 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users References: <20030903023615.13182.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007401c371dc$4b4edff0$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> I foresee a sudden spike in phone calls at 2am now, with cachers asking "can you give me a clue about the cache in your front yard?" Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "GUY ALDRICH" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users > Just give me a call Marc!602 955 9187 > > > > > --- Marc Tamis wrote: > > I am looking to see if the interface cables are the > > same between models > > and what software is needed to get tracking data off > > and plotted. > > > > Loran Wilcox wrote: > > > > >There are many tool for getting data to and from > > your GPS. Be more specific > > >as to what you need such as model and uses and I'm > > sure you will get plenty > > >of responses. > > > > > >Team Sand Dollar > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Marc Tamis" > > >To: > > >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:03 PM > > >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I'm looking for some information from Magellan > > users that use pc's to > > >>interface with their units. If anyone has a > > magellan and does this, > > >>could you please email me directly. > > >> > > >>Thanks in advance. > > >> > > > >>____________________________________________________________ > > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > >> > > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________ > > >Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ============================================================== > > Ask about our Ultimate Control Access Point (UACP) > > The Ultimate in Internet Protection and Employee > > Productivity! > > http://www.uccinc.net/uacp/ > > > ============================================================== > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 3 06:07:06 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users In-Reply-To: <007401c371dc$4b4edff0$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <20030903060706.54022.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> LOL!I hope not! --- Brian Casteel wrote: > I foresee a sudden spike in phone calls at 2am now, > with cachers asking "can > you give me a clue about the cache in your front > yard?" > > Brian > Team A.I. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GUY ALDRICH" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users > > > > Just give me a call Marc!602 955 9187 > > > > > > > > > > --- Marc Tamis wrote: > > > I am looking to see if the interface cables are > the > > > same between models > > > and what software is needed to get tracking data > off > > > and plotted. > > > > > > Loran Wilcox wrote: > > > > > > >There are many tool for getting data to and > from > > > your GPS. Be more specific > > > >as to what you need such as model and uses and > I'm > > > sure you will get plenty > > > >of responses. > > > > > > > >Team Sand Dollar > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Marc Tamis" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:03 PM > > > >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I'm looking for some information from Magellan > > > users that use pc's to > > > >>interface with their units. If anyone has a > > > magellan and does this, > > > >>could you please email me directly. > > > >> > > > >>Thanks in advance. > > > >> > > > > > > >>____________________________________________________________ > > > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list > > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > visit: > > > > > > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > >> > > > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________ > > > >Az-Geocaching mailing list > > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > visit: > > > > > > >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ============================================================== > > > Ask about our Ultimate Control Access Point > (UACP) > > > The Ultimate in Internet Protection and Employee > > > Productivity! > > > http://www.uccinc.net/uacp/ > > > > > > ============================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > visit: > > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 3 06:54:08 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:54:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users Message-ID: <20030902235409.16199.h011.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Hmmm...copying down the number so I can call and ask about some of his other elusive caches....lol...just kidding! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:07:06 -0700 (PDT), GUY ALDRICH wrote: > > LOL!I hope not! > --- Brian Casteel wrote: > > I foresee a sudden spike in phone calls at 2am now, > > with cachers asking "can > > you give me a clue about the cache in your front > > yard?" > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "GUY ALDRICH" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users > > > > > > > Just give me a call Marc!602 955 9187 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Marc Tamis wrote: > > > > I am looking to see if the interface cables are > > the > > > > same between models > > > > and what software is needed to get tracking data > > off > > > > and plotted. > > > > > > > > Loran Wilcox wrote: > > > > > > > > >There are many tool for getting data to and > > from > > > > your GPS. Be more specific > > > > >as to what you need such as model and uses and > > I'm > > > > sure you will get plenty > > > > >of responses. > > > > > > > > > >Team Sand Dollar > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Marc Tamis" > > > > >To: > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:03 PM > > > > >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I'm looking for some information from Magellan > > > > users that use pc's to > > > > >>interface with their units. If anyone has a > > > > magellan and does this, > > > > >>could you please email me directly. > > > > >> > > > > >>Thanks in advance. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>____________________________________________________________ > > > > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list > > > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > > visit: > > > > > > > > > > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > >> > > > > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________ > > > > >Az-Geocaching mailing list > > > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > > visit: > > > > > > > > > > >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================== > > > > Ask about our Ultimate Control Access Point > > (UACP) > > > > The Ultimate in Internet Protection and Employee > > > > Productivity! > > > > http://www.uccinc.net/uacp/ > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > > visit: > > > > > > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > design software > > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 3 07:32:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 00:32:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users References: <20030902235409.16199.h011.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <00be01c371ed$99038b40$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> Remember, make ALL calls according to GMT, not MST. :D Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trisha" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users > Hmmm...copying down the number so I can call and ask about some of his > other elusive caches....lol...just kidding! > Trisha "Lightning" > Prescott > > > On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:07:06 -0700 (PDT), GUY ALDRICH wrote: > > > > > LOL!I hope not! > > --- Brian Casteel wrote: > > > I foresee a sudden spike in phone calls at 2am now, > > > with cachers asking "can > > > you give me a clue about the cache in your front > > > yard?" > > > > > > Brian > > > Team A.I. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "GUY ALDRICH" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:36 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users > > > > > > > > > > Just give me a call Marc!602 955 9187 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Marc Tamis wrote: > > > > > I am looking to see if the interface cables are > > > the > > > > > same between models > > > > > and what software is needed to get tracking data > > > off > > > > > and plotted. > > > > > > > > > > Loran Wilcox wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >There are many tool for getting data to and > > > from > > > > > your GPS. Be more specific > > > > > >as to what you need such as model and uses and > > > I'm > > > > > sure you will get plenty > > > > > >of responses. > > > > > > > > > > > >Team Sand Dollar > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "Marc Tamis" > > > > > >To: > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:03 PM > > > > > >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hi Tech Magellan Users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I'm looking for some information from Magellan > > > > > users that use pc's to > > > > > >>interface with their units. If anyone has a > > > > > magellan and does this, > > > > > >>could you please email me directly. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Thanks in advance. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>____________________________________________________________ > > > > > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list > > > > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > > > visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________ > > > > > >Az-Geocaching mailing list > > > > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > > > visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > > > > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > > >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================== > > > > > Ask about our Ultimate Control Access Point > > > (UACP) > > > > > The Ultimate in Internet Protection and Employee > > > > > Productivity! > > > > > http://www.uccinc.net/uacp/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > > > visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > > design software > > > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > visit: > > > > > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > visit: > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 03:02:30 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) Message-ID: <20030904030230.18955.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> When are they going to fix the statistics page??? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 06:09:37 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 23:09:37 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20030904030230.18955.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030904030230.18955.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F56D721.2090602@snaptek.com> when geocaching.com gives us access to their website or data and stops blocking us... jason GUY ALDRICH wrote: >When are they going to fix the statistics page??? > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 06:50:27 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 23:50:27 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) Message-ID: To everyone who is always complaining about the azgeocaching stats not being accurate: you need to remember that the persons (brian and jason) that keep that site up and running are doing so as a FREE service to us. They have jobs and other important things in their lives besides their little hobby of keeping the web site up. I too enjoy the stats and view them regularly, but I understand the situations they have with the main site and we need to be patient with that. I very much appreciate all the work that Brian and Jason have put into the stats pages and do not mind when they aren't accurate once in a while. Usually, within a few days, they are back in order when something goes wrong. Other problems are simply beyond their control and they cannot fix. Some people just always seem to want the whole enchilada... well, a little bit is better than nada! Caching is just a hobby for me and I can live with the slight discrepencies. Scott/Team RTW _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 07:19:10 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Aus Dem Kasten) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 00:19:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <3F56E76E.8060502@pcgraffiti.com> Well said Scott. I agree. Jon Aus Dem Kasten RopingThe Wind wrote: > To everyone who is always complaining about the azgeocaching stats not > being accurate: you need to remember that the persons (brian and > jason) that keep that site up and running are doing so as a FREE > service to us. They have jobs and other important things in their > lives besides their little hobby of keeping the web site up. I too > enjoy the stats and view them regularly, but I understand the > situations they have with the main site and we need to be patient with > that. I very much appreciate all the work that Brian and Jason have > put into the stats pages and do not mind when they aren't accurate > once in a while. Usually, within a few days, they are back in order > when something goes wrong. Other problems are simply beyond their > control and they cannot fix. Some people just always seem to want the > whole enchilada... well, a little bit is better than nada! Caching is > just a hobby for me and I can live with the slight discrepencies. > Scott/Team RTW > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 07:43:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (xWaterLilyx) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 00:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030904074300.44109.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> I couldn't have put it better myself. I couldn't even tell you if any of my stats were wrong to begin with, I don't keep that close a watch on it. =) I have my own personal list and that's good enough for me. =) --- RopingThe Wind wrote: > To everyone who is always complaining about the > azgeocaching stats not being > accurate: you need to remember that the persons > (brian and jason) that keep > that site up and running are doing so as a FREE > service to us. They have > jobs and other important things in their lives > besides their little hobby of > keeping the web site up. I too enjoy the stats and > view them regularly, but > I understand the situations they have with the main > site and we need to be > patient with that. I very much appreciate all the > work that Brian and Jason > have put into the stats pages and do not mind when > they aren't accurate once > in a while. Usually, within a few days, they are > back in order when > something goes wrong. Other problems are simply > beyond their control and > they cannot fix. Some people just always seem to > want the whole enchilada... > well, a little bit is better than nada! Caching is > just a hobby for me and I > can live with the slight discrepencies. > Scott/Team RTW > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ===== xWaterLilyx & RTF Team H20 Phoenix, AZ (Ahwatukee) Geocaching Site: http://www.geocities.com/xwaterlilyxrtf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 12:52:25 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (jr davis) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:52:25 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <002b01c372e3$6476b630$0100a8c0@yourm5d4u9r2uv> We agree 100%. JR & Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "RopingThe Wind" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) > To everyone who is always complaining about the azgeocaching stats not being > accurate: you need to remember that the persons (brian and jason) that keep > that site up and running are doing so as a FREE service to us. They have > jobs and other important things in their lives besides their little hobby of > keeping the web site up. I too enjoy the stats and view them regularly, but > I understand the situations they have with the main site and we need to be > patient with that. I very much appreciate all the work that Brian and Jason > have put into the stats pages and do not mind when they aren't accurate once > in a while. Usually, within a few days, they are back in order when > something goes wrong. Other problems are simply beyond their control and > they cannot fix. Some people just always seem to want the whole enchilada... > well, a little bit is better than nada! Caching is just a hobby for me and I > can live with the slight discrepencies. > Scott/Team RTW > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 13:09:15 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 06:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3F56D721.2090602@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <20030904130915.37570.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Jason, are they blocking you on purpose? --- Jason Poulter wrote: > when geocaching.com gives us access to their website > or data and stops > blocking us... > > jason > > > GUY ALDRICH wrote: > > >When are they going to fix the statistics page??? > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >____________________________________________________________ > >Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 13:46:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 06:46:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] stats References: <20030904130915.37570.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c372ea$ff818d60$a9104bab@fishkiller> Then is there anything that we as end users do to help?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "GUY ALDRICH" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) > Jason, are they blocking you on purpose? > --- Jason Poulter wrote: > > when geocaching.com gives us access to their website > > or data and stops > > blocking us... > > > > jason > > > > > > GUY ALDRICH wrote: > > > > >When are they going to fix the statistics page??? > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > design software > > >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > >____________________________________________________________ > > >Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 13:52:01 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 06:52:01 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <001b01c372eb$b8263aa0$a9104bab@fishkiller> Scott I think that the lack of you finding a cache is affecting you more than you think :) then again when you are right you are then to help you get back into it Mostly out of Harmony will be the closest cache to your residence for you to find upon your return it should be in place before you return thus again cheating you out of a first find :) PS Melissa says hi ----- Original Message ----- From: "RopingThe Wind" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) > To everyone who is always complaining about the azgeocaching stats not being > accurate: you need to remember that the persons (brian and jason) that keep > that site up and running are doing so as a FREE service to us. They have > jobs and other important things in their lives besides their little hobby of > keeping the web site up. I too enjoy the stats and view them regularly, but > I understand the situations they have with the main site and we need to be > patient with that. I very much appreciate all the work that Brian and Jason > have put into the stats pages and do not mind when they aren't accurate once > in a while. Usually, within a few days, they are back in order when > something goes wrong. Other problems are simply beyond their control and > they cannot fix. Some people just always seem to want the whole enchilada... > well, a little bit is better than nada! Caching is just a hobby for me and I > can live with the slight discrepencies. > Scott/Team RTW > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 14:46:44 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 07:46:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20030904130915.37570.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030904130915.37570.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F575054.6080107@snaptek.com> probably, they are blocking are specific IP address for the server... unless they implemented some kind of automatic script that monitors access from certain ip and then shuts it down if there is to much traffic load coming from it maybe.... jason GUY ALDRICH wrote: >Jason, are they blocking you on purpose? >--- Jason Poulter wrote: > > >>when geocaching.com gives us access to their website >>or data and stops >>blocking us... >> >>jason >> >> >>GUY ALDRICH wrote: >> >> >> >>>When are they going to fix the statistics page??? >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site >>> >>> >>design software >> >> >>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>____________________________________________________________ >> >> >>>Az-Geocaching mailing list >>> >>> >>listserv@azgeocaching.com >> >> >>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe >>> >>> >>visit: >> >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> >>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>>http://www.azgeocaching.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >____________________________________________________________ > > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe >>visit: >> >> >> >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 16:10:21 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3F575054.6080107@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <20030904161021.54579.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Jason ,Have you tried to contact geocaching com and see what can be done to rectify the problem? --- Jason Poulter wrote: > probably, they are blocking are specific IP address > for the server... > unless they implemented some kind of automatic > script that monitors > access from certain ip and then shuts it down if > there is to much > traffic load coming from it maybe.... > > jason > > > GUY ALDRICH wrote: > > >Jason, are they blocking you on purpose? > >--- Jason Poulter wrote: > > > > > >>when geocaching.com gives us access to their > website > >>or data and stops > >>blocking us... > >> > >>jason > >> > >> > >>GUY ALDRICH wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>When are they going to fix the statistics page??? > >>> > >>>__________________________________ > >>>Do you Yahoo!? > >>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > >>> > >>> > >>design software > >> > >> > >>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >>> > >>> > >>____________________________________________________________ > >> > >> > >>>Az-Geocaching mailing list > >>> > >>> > >>listserv@azgeocaching.com > >> > >> > >>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > >>> > >>> > >>visit: > >> > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >> > >> > >>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >>>http://www.azgeocaching.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >____________________________________________________________ > > > > > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > >>visit: > >> > >> > >> > >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > >> > >> > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >____________________________________________________________ > >Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 16:11:20 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brent Milner) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:11:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3F575054.6080107@snaptek.com> Message-ID: Hey Jason, a couple questions for ya: 1) Would you guys be interested in donating your code to the geocaching.com people so that they could implement it to all of their users as a world-wide stats section of the website? 2) If so, has anyone proposed this idea to the geocaching.com people? Forgive me if these question have been asked before. -FroBro Q-Tip -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jason Poulter Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:47 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) probably, they are blocking are specific IP address for the server... unless they implemented some kind of automatic script that monitors access from certain ip and then shuts it down if there is to much traffic load coming from it maybe.... jason GUY ALDRICH wrote: >Jason, are they blocking you on purpose? >--- Jason Poulter wrote: > > >>when geocaching.com gives us access to their website >>or data and stops >>blocking us... >> >>jason >> >> >>GUY ALDRICH wrote: >> >> >> >>>When are they going to fix the statistics page??? >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site >>> >>> >>design software >> >> >>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>____________________________________________________________ >> >> >>>Az-Geocaching mailing list >>> >>> >>listserv@azgeocaching.com >> >> >>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe >>> >>> >>visit: >> >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> >>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>>http://www.azgeocaching.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >____________________________________________________________ > > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe >>visit: >> >> >> >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ==== This message and any attachments are confidential. Unauthorized use or disclosure of this message is strictly prohibited, and this message must be destroyed immediately if received by an unauthorized recipient. ==== From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 16:50:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:50:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Maptech Terrain Navigator update Message-ID: In case anyone is interested, Maptech released a huge upgrade (>17MB) yesterday to their Terrain Navigator software. It upgrades you to 6.02 I think. I haven't downloaded it so I don't know what the changes are (I'm on dialup!) but I just thought I'd mention it in case anyone else out there uses TN. LazyK - Dan From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 19:26:34 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:26:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20030904161021.54579.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030904161021.54579.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F5791EA.2000609@snaptek.com> sent and email have not got a response back yet that was a week or so ago jason GUY ALDRICH wrote: >Jason ,Have you tried to contact geocaching com and >see what can be done to rectify the problem? >--- Jason Poulter wrote: > > >>probably, they are blocking are specific IP address >>for the server... >>unless they implemented some kind of automatic >>script that monitors >>access from certain ip and then shuts it down if >>there is to much >>traffic load coming from it maybe.... >> >>jason >> >> >>GUY ALDRICH wrote: >> >> >> >>>Jason, are they blocking you on purpose? >>>--- Jason Poulter wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>when geocaching.com gives us access to their >>>> >>>> >>website >> >> >>>>or data and stops >>>>blocking us... >>>> >>>>jason >>>> >>>> >>>>GUY ALDRICH wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>When are they going to fix the statistics page??? >>>>> >>>>>__________________________________ >>>>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>design software >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>____________________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Az-Geocaching mailing list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>listserv@azgeocaching.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>visit: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>>>>http://www.azgeocaching.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>____________________________________________________________ >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Az-Geocaching mailing list >>>> >>>> >>listserv@azgeocaching.com >> >> >>>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe >>>>visit: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>>>http://www.azgeocaching.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site >>> >>> >>design software >> >> >>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>____________________________________________________________ >> >> >>>Az-Geocaching mailing list >>> >>> >>listserv@azgeocaching.com >> >> >>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe >>> >>> >>visit: >> >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> >>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>>http://www.azgeocaching.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >____________________________________________________________ > > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe >>visit: >> >> >> >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 19:30:21 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:30:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F5792CD.50208@snaptek.com> Brent Milner wrote: >Hey Jason, a couple questions for ya: > >1) Would you guys be interested in donating your code to the geocaching.com >people so that they could implement it to all of their users as a world-wide >stats section of the website? > > dont know if they would really want it is a big coding mess!!!! but they could have it if they wanted it.... i think they also kinda shy away from the whole stats issue... to much contraversy >2) If so, has anyone proposed this idea to the geocaching.com people? > > i think i offered to help them back in the early days when geocaching was just starting... but nothing ever came of it jason >Forgive me if these question have been asked before. > >-FroBro Q-Tip > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com >[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jason >Poulter >Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:47 AM >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) > > >probably, they are blocking are specific IP address for the server... >unless they implemented some kind of automatic script that monitors >access from certain ip and then shuts it down if there is to much >traffic load coming from it maybe.... > >jason > > >GUY ALDRICH wrote: > > > >>Jason, are they blocking you on purpose? >>--- Jason Poulter wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>when geocaching.com gives us access to their website >>>or data and stops >>>blocking us... >>> >>>jason >>> >>> >>>GUY ALDRICH wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>When are they going to fix the statistics page??? >>>> >>>>__________________________________ >>>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>design software >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>____________________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Az-Geocaching mailing list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>listserv@azgeocaching.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>visit: >>> >>>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>>>http://www.azgeocaching.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>____________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >>>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe >>>visit: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> >> >> >>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>>http://www.azgeocaching.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>____________________________________________________________ >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> >> >> > > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > >==== >This message and any attachments are confidential. Unauthorized use >or disclosure of this message is strictly prohibited, and this message >must be destroyed immediately if received by an unauthorized recipient. >==== > > > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 19:27:57 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian LaFrance) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:27:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3F575054.6080107@snaptek.com> Message-ID: They may be blocking you in a similar way to what Slashdot does if you try accessing it too often. I have seen people have thier IP banned from Slashdot for screen scraping off the site to get the articles onto their PDA. Geocaching.com may have a similar setup in the new code. Brian -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jason Poulter Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:47 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) probably, they are blocking are specific IP address for the server... unless they implemented some kind of automatic script that monitors access from certain ip and then shuts it down if there is to much traffic load coming from it maybe.... jason GUY ALDRICH wrote: >Jason, are they blocking you on purpose? >--- Jason Poulter wrote: > > >>when geocaching.com gives us access to their website >>or data and stops >>blocking us... >> >>jason >> >> >>GUY ALDRICH wrote: >> >> >> >>>When are they going to fix the statistics page??? >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site >>> >>> >>design software >> >> >>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>____________________________________________________________ >> >> >>>Az-Geocaching mailing list >>> >>> >>listserv@azgeocaching.com >> >> >>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe >>> >>> >>visit: >> >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> >>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>>http://www.azgeocaching.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >____________________________________________________________ > > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe >>visit: >> >> >> >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 21:34:29 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics Message-ID: <20030904213429.43001.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Jason, I realize this would be a total rewrite of your statistics gathering software, but it might be a way to lessen the load it puts on the geocaching.com website. Instead of crawling the entire data base, go to the individual profile pages of Arizona geocachers, and get the information from the "User Stats" pages. Anyone who wants to have their information included into the AZgeocaching web page, would have to tell you to include them in your list. You could still include the logs of others on the caches within Arizona. Another, approach would be for you to provide the code for Arizona geocachers to run on their own computers to get their basic information from geocaching.com and then automatically forward this to you to be compiled into one database. The advantage of this would be that the load on geocaching.com would be from multiple IP addresses and only when a user knows his/her stats need to be updated (i.e. when they have found or placed a new cache). Just a thought that might help get around any blocking you are experiencing. Bob Renner __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 22:49:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3F5791EA.2000609@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <20030904224900.89541.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1916198927-1062715740=:85654 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jason, you can call them direct, at 1-206-302-7721. Jason Poulter wrote:sent and email have not got a response back yet that was a week or so ago jason GUY ALDRICH wrote: >Jason ,Have you tried to contact geocaching com and >see what can be done to rectify the problem? >--- Jason Poulter wrote: > > >>probably, they are blocking are specific IP address >>for the server... >>unless they implemented some kind of automatic >>script that monitors >>access from certain ip and then shuts it down if >>there is to much >>traffic load coming from it maybe.... >> >>jason >> >> >>GUY ALDRICH wrote: >> >> >> >>>Jason, are they blocking you on purpose? >>>--- Jason Poulter wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>when geocaching.com gives us access to their >>>> >>>> >>website >> >> >>>>or data and stops >>>>blocking us... >>>> >>>>jason >>>> >>>> >>>>GUY ALDRICH wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>When are they going to fix the statistics page??? >>>>> >>>>>__________________________________ >>>>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>design software >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>____________________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Az-Geocaching mailing list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>listserv@azgeocaching.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>visit: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>>>>http://www.azgeocaching.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>____________________________________________________________ >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Az-Geocaching mailing list >>>> >>>> >>listserv@azgeocaching.com >> >> >>>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe >>>>visit: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>>>http://www.azgeocaching.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! 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Jason, you can call them direct, at 1-206-302-7721.

Jason Poulter <polt@snaptek.com> wrote:
sent and email have not got a response back yet that was a week or so ago

jason


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>Jason ,Have you tried to contact geocaching com and
>see what can be done to rectify the problem?
>--- Jason Poulter wrote:
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>>probably, they are blocking are specific IP address
>>for the server...
>>unless they implemented some kind of automatic
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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1916198927-1062715740=:85654-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 4 23:34:55 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:34:55 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics Message-ID: <20030904233457.DJUY15700.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> That's a good idea, in theory. However, not every cacher can write code like the Snaptek guys, nor can everyone understand how to run a script of this nature. If they gave me the code, I'd gladly throw it up on my server to run, and all would be happy. :) Brian Team A.I. > > From: Bob Renner > Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 05:34:29 EDT > To: Arizona Geocaching List > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > Jason, > > I realize this would be a total rewrite of your > statistics gathering software, but it might be a way > to lessen the load it puts on the geocaching.com > website. Instead of crawling the entire data base, go > to the individual profile pages of Arizona geocachers, > and get the information from the "User Stats" pages. > Anyone who wants to have their information included > into the AZgeocaching web page, would have to tell you > to include them in your list. You could still include > the logs of others on the caches within Arizona. > > Another, approach would be for you to provide the code > for Arizona geocachers to run on their own computers > to get their basic information from geocaching.com and > then automatically forward this to you to be compiled > into one database. The advantage of this would be > that the load on geocaching.com would be from multiple > IP addresses and only when a user knows his/her stats > need to be updated (i.e. when they have found or > placed a new cache). > > Just a thought that might help get around any blocking > you are experiencing. > > Bob Renner > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 00:28:05 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian LaFrance) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:28:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics In-Reply-To: <20030904233457.DJUY15700.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: Maybe we could figure out a way to distribute the workload across several servers. I also have a server that I could run the code on. It may be something where we could each query a range of cache numbers, user ID's, or some other way of breaking the load up. Not sure if that would help though. We all may end up banned from scraping data off Geocaching.com...it could be a fun project to try though. Brian Team AZEvil -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of bcasteel@cox.net Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:35 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics That's a good idea, in theory. However, not every cacher can write code like the Snaptek guys, nor can everyone understand how to run a script of this nature. If they gave me the code, I'd gladly throw it up on my server to run, and all would be happy. :) Brian Team A.I. > > From: Bob Renner > Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 05:34:29 EDT > To: Arizona Geocaching List > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > Jason, > > I realize this would be a total rewrite of your > statistics gathering software, but it might be a way > to lessen the load it puts on the geocaching.com > website. Instead of crawling the entire data base, go > to the individual profile pages of Arizona geocachers, > and get the information from the "User Stats" pages. > Anyone who wants to have their information included > into the AZgeocaching web page, would have to tell you > to include them in your list. You could still include > the logs of others on the caches within Arizona. > > Another, approach would be for you to provide the code > for Arizona geocachers to run on their own computers > to get their basic information from geocaching.com and > then automatically forward this to you to be compiled > into one database. The advantage of this would be > that the load on geocaching.com would be from multiple > IP addresses and only when a user knows his/her stats > need to be updated (i.e. when they have found or > placed a new cache). > > Just a thought that might help get around any blocking > you are experiencing. > > Bob Renner > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 01:59:26 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:59:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I offered to donate the code for my Handicap Guideline Generator to geocaching.com. They did not take me up on the offer.... Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brent Milner Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:11 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) Hey Jason, a couple questions for ya: 1) Would you guys be interested in donating your code to the geocaching.com people so that they could implement it to all of their users as a world-wide stats section of the website? 2) If so, has anyone proposed this idea to the geocaching.com people? Forgive me if these question have been asked before. -FroBro Q-Tip -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jason Poulter Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:47 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) probably, they are blocking are specific IP address for the server... unless they implemented some kind of automatic script that monitors access from certain ip and then shuts it down if there is to much traffic load coming from it maybe.... jason GUY ALDRICH wrote: >Jason, are they blocking you on purpose? >--- Jason Poulter wrote: > > >>when geocaching.com gives us access to their website >>or data and stops >>blocking us... >> >>jason >> >> >>GUY ALDRICH wrote: >> >> >> >>>When are they going to fix the statistics page??? >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site >>> >>> >>design software >> >> >>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>____________________________________________________________ >> >> >>>Az-Geocaching mailing list >>> >>> >>listserv@azgeocaching.com >> >> >>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe >>> >>> >>visit: >> >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> >>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>>http://www.azgeocaching.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >____________________________________________________________ > > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe >>visit: >> >> >> >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ==== This message and any attachments are confidential. Unauthorized use or disclosure of this message is strictly prohibited, and this message must be destroyed immediately if received by an unauthorized recipient. ==== ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 03:01:48 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Cache-Quest) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:01:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Looking for a traveler friendly cache in the east valley References: <20030904213429.43001.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004201c3735a$0c6d0cb0$6901a8c0@JERRY> I picked up a couple travelers on a recent business trip and I need to place them in a cache here localy. I haven't been keeping up with the local urban caches. Does anyone have any recommendations on which caches are traveler friendly? I'm looking for a regular sized cache that is stable and well hidden, preferably in the east valley. Thanks, Jerry (Cache-Quest) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 03:27:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:27:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Looking for a traveler friendly cache in the east valley References: <20030904213429.43001.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> <004201c3735a$0c6d0cb0$6901a8c0@JERRY> Message-ID: <00e201c3735d$945d4880$f950a8c0@default> I have 2: Fall Nymph #1 GC9864 been there almost a year Harmon Greets the World GCGJBR has been there a month Both caches have held their share of Travel Bugs. Joe TeamBlunder ----- Original Message ----- From: "Team Cache-Quest" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:01 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Looking for a traveler friendly cache in the east valley > I picked up a couple travelers on a recent business trip and I need to place > them in a cache here localy. I haven't been keeping up with the local urban > caches. Does anyone have any recommendations on which caches are traveler > friendly? I'm looking for a regular sized cache that is stable and well > hidden, preferably in the east valley. > > Thanks, > Jerry (Cache-Quest) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 03:48:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:48:36 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Looking for a traveler friendly cache in the east valley Message-ID: <20030905034838.EZKT9938.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Well, you could always put them in Have Bug, Will Travel by Team C.H.U.M.P. Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Team Cache-Quest" > Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 11:01:48 EDT > To: > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Looking for a traveler friendly cache in the east valley > > I picked up a couple travelers on a recent business trip and I need to place > them in a cache here localy. I haven't been keeping up with the local urban > caches. Does anyone have any recommendations on which caches are traveler > friendly? I'm looking for a regular sized cache that is stable and well > hidden, preferably in the east valley. > > Thanks, > Jerry (Cache-Quest) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 05:30:27 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 22:30:27 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics In-Reply-To: <20030904213429.43001.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030904213429.43001.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F581F73.1050502@snaptek.com> ya i kinda thought of those two ideas... jason Bob Renner wrote: >Jason, > >I realize this would be a total rewrite of your >statistics gathering software, but it might be a way >to lessen the load it puts on the geocaching.com >website. Instead of crawling the entire data base, go >to the individual profile pages of Arizona geocachers, >and get the information from the "User Stats" pages. >Anyone who wants to have their information included >into the AZgeocaching web page, would have to tell you >to include them in your list. You could still include >the logs of others on the caches within Arizona. > >Another, approach would be for you to provide the code >for Arizona geocachers to run on their own computers >to get their basic information from geocaching.com and >then automatically forward this to you to be compiled >into one database. The advantage of this would be >that the load on geocaching.com would be from multiple >IP addresses and only when a user knows his/her stats >need to be updated (i.e. when they have found or >placed a new cache). > >Just a thought that might help get around any blocking >you are experiencing. > >Bob Renner > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 05:31:29 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 22:31:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics In-Reply-To: <20030904233457.DJUY15700.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20030904233457.DJUY15700.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <3F581FB1.5070409@snaptek.com> except your ip would be blocked within a day.... i changed the ip over to another one and it was blocked also within a day... and that was with me only scanning new caches.... jason bcasteel@cox.net wrote: >That's a good idea, in theory. However, not every cacher can write code like the Snaptek guys, nor can everyone understand how to run a script of this nature. If they gave me the code, I'd gladly throw it up on my server to run, and all would be happy. :) > >Brian >Team A.I. > > >>From: Bob Renner >>Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 05:34:29 EDT >>To: Arizona Geocaching List >>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics >> >>Jason, >> >>I realize this would be a total rewrite of your >>statistics gathering software, but it might be a way >>to lessen the load it puts on the geocaching.com >>website. Instead of crawling the entire data base, go >>to the individual profile pages of Arizona geocachers, >>and get the information from the "User Stats" pages. >>Anyone who wants to have their information included >>into the AZgeocaching web page, would have to tell you >>to include them in your list. You could still include >>the logs of others on the caches within Arizona. >> >>Another, approach would be for you to provide the code >>for Arizona geocachers to run on their own computers >>to get their basic information from geocaching.com and >>then automatically forward this to you to be compiled >>into one database. The advantage of this would be >>that the load on geocaching.com would be from multiple >>IP addresses and only when a user knows his/her stats >>need to be updated (i.e. when they have found or >>placed a new cache). >> >>Just a thought that might help get around any blocking >>you are experiencing. >> >>Bob Renner >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>____________________________________________________________ >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> >> > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 05:32:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 22:32:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F58200A.2070705@snaptek.com> maybe we should just dump geocaching.com all together and write our own site!!! ;) or at least a distributed database that everyone and anyone could setup and access all over the world with open source code etc... jason Brian LaFrance wrote: >Maybe we could figure out a way to distribute the workload across several >servers. I also have a server that I could run the code on. It may be >something where we could each query a range of cache numbers, user ID's, or >some other way of breaking the load up. Not sure if that would help though. >We all may end up banned from scraping data off Geocaching.com...it could be >a fun project to try though. > >Brian >Team AZEvil > >-----Original Message----- >From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com >[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of >bcasteel@cox.net >Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:35 PM >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > >That's a good idea, in theory. However, not every cacher can write code >like the Snaptek guys, nor can everyone understand how to run a script of >this nature. If they gave me the code, I'd gladly throw it up on my server >to run, and all would be happy. :) > >Brian >Team A.I. > > >>From: Bob Renner >>Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 05:34:29 EDT >>To: Arizona Geocaching List >>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics >> >>Jason, >> >>I realize this would be a total rewrite of your >>statistics gathering software, but it might be a way >>to lessen the load it puts on the geocaching.com >>website. Instead of crawling the entire data base, go >>to the individual profile pages of Arizona geocachers, >>and get the information from the "User Stats" pages. >>Anyone who wants to have their information included >>into the AZgeocaching web page, would have to tell you >>to include them in your list. You could still include >>the logs of others on the caches within Arizona. >> >>Another, approach would be for you to provide the code >>for Arizona geocachers to run on their own computers >>to get their basic information from geocaching.com and >>then automatically forward this to you to be compiled >>into one database. The advantage of this would be >>that the load on geocaching.com would be from multiple >>IP addresses and only when a user knows his/her stats >>need to be updated (i.e. when they have found or >>placed a new cache). >> >>Just a thought that might help get around any blocking >>you are experiencing. >> >>Bob Renner >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>____________________________________________________________ >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> >> > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 05:38:03 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Bay) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 22:38:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics Message-ID: Code? Code? What is this code? Like Brian said, some people (Me) would need some training to do this, if that's the avenue that we were to explore. Eric ~Crazyebay >From: bcasteel@cox.net >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics >Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:34:55 -0400 > >That's a good idea, in theory. However, not every cacher can write code >like the Snaptek guys, nor can everyone understand how to run a script of >this nature. If they gave me the code, I'd gladly throw it up on my server >to run, and all would be happy. :) > >Brian >Team A.I. > > > > From: Bob Renner > > Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 05:34:29 EDT > > To: Arizona Geocaching List > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > Jason, > > > > I realize this would be a total rewrite of your > > statistics gathering software, but it might be a way > > to lessen the load it puts on the geocaching.com > > website. Instead of crawling the entire data base, go > > to the individual profile pages of Arizona geocachers, > > and get the information from the "User Stats" pages. > > Anyone who wants to have their information included > > into the AZgeocaching web page, would have to tell you > > to include them in your list. You could still include > > the logs of others on the caches within Arizona. > > > > Another, approach would be for you to provide the code > > for Arizona geocachers to run on their own computers > > to get their basic information from geocaching.com and > > then automatically forward this to you to be compiled > > into one database. The advantage of this would be > > that the load on geocaching.com would be from multiple > > IP addresses and only when a user knows his/her stats > > need to be updated (i.e. when they have found or > > placed a new cache). > > > > Just a thought that might help get around any blocking > > you are experiencing. > > > > Bob Renner > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 06:45:39 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian LaFrance) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:45:39 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics In-Reply-To: <3F58200A.2070705@snaptek.com> Message-ID: I'm all for starting our own open source version specific to Arizona...if we could get enough resources together, it might be kind of fun to try. Brian -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jason Poulter Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:33 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics maybe we should just dump geocaching.com all together and write our own site!!! ;) or at least a distributed database that everyone and anyone could setup and access all over the world with open source code etc... jason Brian LaFrance wrote: >Maybe we could figure out a way to distribute the workload across several >servers. I also have a server that I could run the code on. It may be >something where we could each query a range of cache numbers, user ID's, or >some other way of breaking the load up. Not sure if that would help though. >We all may end up banned from scraping data off Geocaching.com...it could be >a fun project to try though. > >Brian >Team AZEvil > >-----Original Message----- >From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com >[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of >bcasteel@cox.net >Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:35 PM >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > >That's a good idea, in theory. However, not every cacher can write code >like the Snaptek guys, nor can everyone understand how to run a script of >this nature. If they gave me the code, I'd gladly throw it up on my server >to run, and all would be happy. :) > >Brian >Team A.I. > > >>From: Bob Renner >>Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 05:34:29 EDT >>To: Arizona Geocaching List >>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics >> >>Jason, >> >>I realize this would be a total rewrite of your >>statistics gathering software, but it might be a way >>to lessen the load it puts on the geocaching.com >>website. Instead of crawling the entire data base, go >>to the individual profile pages of Arizona geocachers, >>and get the information from the "User Stats" pages. >>Anyone who wants to have their information included >>into the AZgeocaching web page, would have to tell you >>to include them in your list. You could still include >>the logs of others on the caches within Arizona. >> >>Another, approach would be for you to provide the code >>for Arizona geocachers to run on their own computers >>to get their basic information from geocaching.com and >>then automatically forward this to you to be compiled >>into one database. The advantage of this would be >>that the load on geocaching.com would be from multiple >>IP addresses and only when a user knows his/her stats >>need to be updated (i.e. when they have found or >>placed a new cache). >> >>Just a thought that might help get around any blocking >>you are experiencing. >> >>Bob Renner >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>____________________________________________________________ >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> >> > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 08:04:02 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 01:04:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Looking for a traveler friendly cache in the east valley Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C37349.984B89C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jerry, Besides Team Blunder's two previously listed caches, there is the K9 Conc= lusion (GCGEJA) which is also an ammo can and well hidden. =20 If you would like to move the TBs today, there is an event cache in Chand= ler this evening (Friday) from 5 to 8:00 P.M. The event is the GEOCACHIN= G TRIBUTE PLAQUE SENDOFF by TEAM 360 (GCGRG5): =20 http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=3D89101 =20 The event is at a restaurant and I'm sure that there will be several cach= ers who would like to trade TBs with you. Rand =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Team Cache-Quest Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:18 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Looking for a traveler friendly cache in the eas= t valley I picked up a couple travelers on a recent business trip and I need to pl= ace them in a cache here localy. I haven't been keeping up with the local urb= an caches. Does anyone have any recommendations on which caches are travele= r friendly? I'm looking for a regular sized cache that is stable and well hidden, preferably in the east valley. Thanks, Jerry (Cache-Quest) ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C37349.984B89C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jerry,
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Besides Team Blunder's two previously listed caches= , there is the K9 Conclusion (GCGEJA) w= hich is also an ammo can and well hidden. 
 
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If you would like to move the TBs today, there is an event= cache in Chandler this evening (Friday) from 5 to 8:00 P.M.  T= he event is the GEOCACHING TRIBUTE PLAQUE SENDOFF&n= bsp;by TEAM 360 (GCGRG5):&n= bsp;
 
The event is at a restaurant = and I'm sure that there will be several cachers who would like to trade T= Bs with you.
 
Rand  
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From: Team Cache-Quest
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Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 = 12:18 AM
To: listserv@azgeoc= aching.com
Subject: [Az-Geoc= aching] Looking for a traveler friendly cache in the east valley
 I picked up a couple travelers on a recent business trip a= nd I need to place
them in a cache here localy. I haven't been keeping= up with the local urban
caches.  Does anyone have any recommenda= tions on which caches are traveler
friendly?  I'm looking for a r= egular sized cache that is stable and well
hidden, preferably in the e= ast valley.

Thanks,
Jerry (Cache-Quest)

------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C37349.984B89C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 13:40:28 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:40:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Looking for a traveler friendly cache in the east valley References: <20030904213429.43001.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> <004201c3735a$0c6d0cb0$6901a8c0@JERRY> Message-ID: <001801c373b3$45ab4ba0$910d4bab@fishkiller> Friends Again Nearly in Harmony Grampa Abe's K9 Conclusion Fall Nymph Harmon Greets the world ----- Original Message ----- From: "Team Cache-Quest" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:01 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Looking for a traveler friendly cache in the east valley > I picked up a couple travelers on a recent business trip and I need to place > them in a cache here localy. I haven't been keeping up with the local urban > caches. Does anyone have any recommendations on which caches are traveler > friendly? I'm looking for a regular sized cache that is stable and well > hidden, preferably in the east valley. > > Thanks, > Jerry (Cache-Quest) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 13:54:56 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Looking for a traveler friendly cache in the east valley In-Reply-To: <001801c373b3$45ab4ba0$910d4bab@fishkiller> Message-ID: <20030905135456.81439.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1705755326-1062770096=:75743 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Or you could get them to me at tonights cache event and I will take them to Portland and Grants Pass, up in Oregon, when I go up there this weekend. Regan L Smith wrote:Friends Again Nearly in Harmony Grampa Abe's K9 Conclusion Fall Nymph Harmon Greets the world ----- Original Message ----- From: "Team Cache-Quest" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:01 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Looking for a traveler friendly cache in the east valley > I picked up a couple travelers on a recent business trip and I need to place > them in a cache here localy. I haven't been keeping up with the local urban > caches. Does anyone have any recommendations on which caches are traveler > friendly? I'm looking for a regular sized cache that is stable and well > hidden, preferably in the east valley. > > Thanks, > Jerry (Cache-Quest) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1705755326-1062770096=:75743 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Or you could get them to me at tonights cache event and I will take them to Portland and Grants Pass, up in Oregon, when I go up there this weekend.

Regan L Smith <buggers@mindspring.com> wrote:
Friends Again
Nearly in Harmony
Grampa Abe's
K9 Conclusion
Fall Nymph
Harmon Greets the world


----- Original Message -----
From: "Team Cache-Quest"
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:01 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Looking for a traveler friendly cache in the east
valley


> I picked up a couple travelers on a recent business trip and I need to
place
> them in a cache here localy. I haven't been keeping up with the local
urban
> caches. Does anyone have any recommendations on which caches are traveler
> friendly? I'm looking for a regular sized cache that is stable and well
> hidden, preferably in the east valley.
>
> Thanks,
> Jerry (Cache-Quest)
>
>
>
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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1705755326-1062770096=:75743-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 16:03:39 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 09:03:39 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F58B3DB.7020001@Snaptek.com> I would prefer to just get them let us contiunue to do business as usual. They HAD to have made more money on the existance of azgeocaching.com than the money they can claim they were loosing if we weren't around, not to mention that azgeocaching.com off loads a heck of a lot more bandwidth than it's taking up by crawling the official site. There have also been a ton of people that wanted to donate to us in the past that we just asked to get a membership instead. Without geocaching.com's data our site is very boreing. Jason and I feel that it's in their best interest in let us continue on as usual as I feel those same people will probably just not renew their membership in protest of us getting shut down potentialy costing geocaching.com thousands. I would be open to starting our own deal, but thats just way more work and responsibility that I would like to deal with, and it probably doesn't have the numbers of people behind it to potentially make it profitable, so it would be a TON of time that just HAD to be put into it. Don't get me wrong, I love doing azgeocaching.com, but there are some days that I just don't even want to look at it. I wouldn't want to run a site that absolutly required maintainace every day without a little something extra to make it worth my while, and help pay the bills. Spreading out the site is a good idea, but it doesn't get rid o the fact that the site, however small it is would still need to be maintained, and having to do a couple of things a day is almost more annoying than haveing to do a bunch of things. Thats always been the nice thing about azgeocaching.com, that for the most part, it's been self maintaining. We could spend as much or as little time as our schedules dictated, and this time of the year it's been a real blessing to not HAVE to babysit a website. Anyway, I guess it would take some further discussion. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek Brian LaFrance wrote: > I'm all for starting our own open source version specific to Arizona...if we > could get enough resources together, it might be kind of fun to try. > > Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jason > Poulter > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:33 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > maybe we should just dump geocaching.com all together and write our own > site!!! ;) > > or at least a distributed database that everyone and anyone could setup > and access all over the world with open source code etc... > > jason > > > > Brian LaFrance wrote: > > >>Maybe we could figure out a way to distribute the workload across several >>servers. I also have a server that I could run the code on. It may be >>something where we could each query a range of cache numbers, user ID's, or >>some other way of breaking the load up. Not sure if that would help > > though. > >>We all may end up banned from scraping data off Geocaching.com...it could > > be > >>a fun project to try though. >> >>Brian >>Team AZEvil >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com >>[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of >>bcasteel@cox.net >>Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:35 PM >>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics >> >> >>That's a good idea, in theory. However, not every cacher can write code >>like the Snaptek guys, nor can everyone understand how to run a script of >>this nature. If they gave me the code, I'd gladly throw it up on my server >>to run, and all would be happy. :) >> >>Brian >>Team A.I. >> >> >> >>>From: Bob Renner >>>Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 05:34:29 EDT >>>To: Arizona Geocaching List >>>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics >>> >>>Jason, >>> >>>I realize this would be a total rewrite of your >>>statistics gathering software, but it might be a way >>>to lessen the load it puts on the geocaching.com >>>website. Instead of crawling the entire data base, go >>>to the individual profile pages of Arizona geocachers, >>>and get the information from the "User Stats" pages. >>>Anyone who wants to have their information included >>>into the AZgeocaching web page, would have to tell you >>>to include them in your list. You could still include >>>the logs of others on the caches within Arizona. >>> >>>Another, approach would be for you to provide the code >>>for Arizona geocachers to run on their own computers >>>to get their basic information from geocaching.com and >>>then automatically forward this to you to be compiled >>>into one database. The advantage of this would be >>>that the load on geocaching.com would be from multiple >>>IP addresses and only when a user knows his/her stats >>>need to be updated (i.e. when they have found or >>>placed a new cache). >>> >>>Just a thought that might help get around any blocking >>>you are experiencing. >>> >>>Bob Renner >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>>____________________________________________________________ >>>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >>>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >>> >>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>>http://www.azgeocaching.com >>> >>> >>> >> >>____________________________________________________________ >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> >> >>____________________________________________________________ >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 16:38:37 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 09:38:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics Message-ID: <20030905093849.22101.h011.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I'll support a boycott and not renew my Charter membership at geocaching.com, if that helps you guys keep the stats at azgeocaching.com. I'll just have to limit myself to 100 on the watch list! (The main reason I spent the $30). Keep us posted on what's going on, Brian and Jason. And I certainly support your decision to not have to do more work for free. You guys do a great job, but I think I speak for almost everyone when I say that we realize it must be a pain sometimes to maintain the site, and why have more pain w/o any gain? Thanks for all your hard work, (and I would like to JUST ONCE see my numbers over 200 (206) if you ever get the stats "fixed"!) Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 09:03:39 -0700, Brian Cluff wrote: > > I would prefer to just get them let us contiunue to do business as > usual. > They HAD to have made more money on the existance of azgeocaching.com > than the money they can claim they were loosing if we weren't around, > not to mention that azgeocaching.com off loads a heck of a lot more > bandwidth than it's taking up by crawling the official site. > There have also been a ton of people that wanted to donate to us in > the > past that we just asked to get a membership instead. Without > geocaching.com's data our site is very boreing. Jason and I feel that > it's in their best interest in let us continue on as usual as I feel > those same people will probably just not renew their membership in > protest of us getting shut down potentialy costing geocaching.com > thousands. > > I would be open to starting our own deal, but thats just way more work > and responsibility that I would like to deal with, and it probably > doesn't have the numbers of people behind it to potentially make it > profitable, so it would be a TON of time that just HAD to be put into > it. Don't get me wrong, I love doing azgeocaching.com, but there are > some days that I just don't even want to look at it. I wouldn't want > to > run a site that absolutly required maintainace every day without a > little something extra to make it worth my while, and help pay the > bills. Spreading out the site is a good idea, but it doesn't get rid > o > the fact that the site, however small it is would still need to be > maintained, and having to do a couple of things a day is almost more > annoying than haveing to do a bunch of things. Thats always been the > nice thing about azgeocaching.com, that for the most part, it's been > self maintaining. We could spend as much or as little time as our > schedules dictated, and this time of the year it's been a real > blessing > to not HAVE to babysit a website. > > Anyway, I guess it would take some further discussion. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > Brian LaFrance wrote: > > I'm all for starting our own open source version specific to > Arizona...if we > > could get enough resources together, it might be kind of fun to try. > > > > Brian > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > Jason > > Poulter > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:33 PM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > > > maybe we should just dump geocaching.com all together and write our > own > > site!!! ;) > > > > or at least a distributed database that everyone and anyone could > setup > > and access all over the world with open source code etc... > > > > jason > > > > > > > > Brian LaFrance wrote: > > > > > >>Maybe we could figure out a way to distribute the workload across > several > >>servers. I also have a server that I could run the code on. It may > be > >>something where we could each query a range of cache numbers, user > ID's, or > >>some other way of breaking the load up. Not sure if that would help > > > > though. > > > >>We all may end up banned from scraping data off Geocaching.com...it > could > > > > be > > > >>a fun project to try though. > >> > >>Brian > >>Team AZEvil > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > >>[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > >>bcasteel@cox.net > >>Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:35 PM > >>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > >> > >> > >>That's a good idea, in theory. However, not every cacher can write > code > >>like the Snaptek guys, nor can everyone understand how to run a > script of > >>this nature. If they gave me the code, I'd gladly throw it up on my > server > >>to run, and all would be happy. :) > >> > >>Brian > >>Team A.I. > >> > >> > >> > >>>From: Bob Renner > >>>Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 05:34:29 EDT > >>>To: Arizona Geocaching List > >>>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > >>> > >>>Jason, > >>> > >>>I realize this would be a total rewrite of your > >>>statistics gathering software, but it might be a way > >>>to lessen the load it puts on the geocaching.com > >>>website. Instead of crawling the entire data base, go > >>>to the individual profile pages of Arizona geocachers, > >>>and get the information from the "User Stats" pages. > >>>Anyone who wants to have their information included > >>>into the AZgeocaching web page, would have to tell you > >>>to include them in your list. You could still include > >>>the logs of others on the caches within Arizona. > >>> > >>>Another, approach would be for you to provide the code > >>>for Arizona geocachers to run on their own computers > >>>to get their basic information from geocaching.com and > >>>then automatically forward this to you to be compiled > >>>into one database. The advantage of this would be > >>>that the load on geocaching.com would be from multiple > >>>IP addresses and only when a user knows his/her stats > >>>need to be updated (i.e. when they have found or > >>>placed a new cache). > >>> > >>>Just a thought that might help get around any blocking > >>>you are experiencing. > >>> > >>>Bob Renner > >>> > >>>__________________________________ > >>>Do you Yahoo!? > >>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > >>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >>>____________________________________________________________ > >>>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > >>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > >>>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >>> > >>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >>>http://www.azgeocaching.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>____________________________________________________________ > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >> > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > >> > >> > >> > >>____________________________________________________________ > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >> > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 17:27:31 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:27:31 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics References: <3F58B3DB.7020001@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <002901c373d3$0b2ba810$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> Brian, How much total data do you believe is being grabbed from geocaching.com daily when you were pulling the 'usual' stuff? Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > I would prefer to just get them let us contiunue to do business as usual. > They HAD to have made more money on the existance of azgeocaching.com > than the money they can claim they were loosing if we weren't around, > not to mention that azgeocaching.com off loads a heck of a lot more > bandwidth than it's taking up by crawling the official site. > There have also been a ton of people that wanted to donate to us in the > past that we just asked to get a membership instead. Without > geocaching.com's data our site is very boreing. Jason and I feel that > it's in their best interest in let us continue on as usual as I feel > those same people will probably just not renew their membership in > protest of us getting shut down potentialy costing geocaching.com thousands. > > I would be open to starting our own deal, but thats just way more work > and responsibility that I would like to deal with, and it probably > doesn't have the numbers of people behind it to potentially make it > profitable, so it would be a TON of time that just HAD to be put into > it. Don't get me wrong, I love doing azgeocaching.com, but there are > some days that I just don't even want to look at it. I wouldn't want to > run a site that absolutly required maintainace every day without a > little something extra to make it worth my while, and help pay the > bills. Spreading out the site is a good idea, but it doesn't get rid o > the fact that the site, however small it is would still need to be > maintained, and having to do a couple of things a day is almost more > annoying than haveing to do a bunch of things. Thats always been the > nice thing about azgeocaching.com, that for the most part, it's been > self maintaining. We could spend as much or as little time as our > schedules dictated, and this time of the year it's been a real blessing > to not HAVE to babysit a website. > > Anyway, I guess it would take some further discussion. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > Brian LaFrance wrote: > > I'm all for starting our own open source version specific to Arizona...if we > > could get enough resources together, it might be kind of fun to try. > > > > Brian > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jason > > Poulter > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:33 PM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > > > maybe we should just dump geocaching.com all together and write our own > > site!!! ;) > > > > or at least a distributed database that everyone and anyone could setup > > and access all over the world with open source code etc... > > > > jason > > > > > > > > Brian LaFrance wrote: > > > > > >>Maybe we could figure out a way to distribute the workload across several > >>servers. I also have a server that I could run the code on. It may be > >>something where we could each query a range of cache numbers, user ID's, or > >>some other way of breaking the load up. Not sure if that would help > > > > though. > > > >>We all may end up banned from scraping data off Geocaching.com...it could > > > > be > > > >>a fun project to try though. > >> > >>Brian > >>Team AZEvil > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > >>[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > >>bcasteel@cox.net > >>Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:35 PM > >>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > >> > >> > >>That's a good idea, in theory. However, not every cacher can write code > >>like the Snaptek guys, nor can everyone understand how to run a script of > >>this nature. If they gave me the code, I'd gladly throw it up on my server > >>to run, and all would be happy. :) > >> > >>Brian > >>Team A.I. > >> > >> > >> > >>>From: Bob Renner > >>>Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 05:34:29 EDT > >>>To: Arizona Geocaching List > >>>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > >>> > >>>Jason, > >>> > >>>I realize this would be a total rewrite of your > >>>statistics gathering software, but it might be a way > >>>to lessen the load it puts on the geocaching.com > >>>website. Instead of crawling the entire data base, go > >>>to the individual profile pages of Arizona geocachers, > >>>and get the information from the "User Stats" pages. > >>>Anyone who wants to have their information included > >>>into the AZgeocaching web page, would have to tell you > >>>to include them in your list. You could still include > >>>the logs of others on the caches within Arizona. > >>> > >>>Another, approach would be for you to provide the code > >>>for Arizona geocachers to run on their own computers > >>>to get their basic information from geocaching.com and > >>>then automatically forward this to you to be compiled > >>>into one database. The advantage of this would be > >>>that the load on geocaching.com would be from multiple > >>>IP addresses and only when a user knows his/her stats > >>>need to be updated (i.e. when they have found or > >>>placed a new cache). > >>> > >>>Just a thought that might help get around any blocking > >>>you are experiencing. > >>> > >>>Bob Renner > >>> > >>>__________________________________ > >>>Do you Yahoo!? > >>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > >>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >>>____________________________________________________________ > >>>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > >>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > >>>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >>> > >>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >>>http://www.azgeocaching.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>____________________________________________________________ > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >> > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > >> > >> > >> > >>____________________________________________________________ > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >> > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 17:42:09 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:42:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics References: <3F58B3DB.7020001@Snaptek.com> <002901c373d3$0b2ba810$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <000901c373d5$08b4c9c0$6d024bab@fishkiller> do they consider AZGeocaching a threat? I don't understand you guys make their stuff much easier to use, and understand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Casteel" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > Brian, > > How much total data do you believe is being grabbed from geocaching.com > daily when you were pulling the 'usual' stuff? > > Brian > Team A.I. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Cluff" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > I would prefer to just get them let us contiunue to do business as usual. > > They HAD to have made more money on the existance of azgeocaching.com > > than the money they can claim they were loosing if we weren't around, > > not to mention that azgeocaching.com off loads a heck of a lot more > > bandwidth than it's taking up by crawling the official site. > > There have also been a ton of people that wanted to donate to us in the > > past that we just asked to get a membership instead. Without > > geocaching.com's data our site is very boreing. Jason and I feel that > > it's in their best interest in let us continue on as usual as I feel > > those same people will probably just not renew their membership in > > protest of us getting shut down potentialy costing geocaching.com > thousands. > > > > I would be open to starting our own deal, but thats just way more work > > and responsibility that I would like to deal with, and it probably > > doesn't have the numbers of people behind it to potentially make it > > profitable, so it would be a TON of time that just HAD to be put into > > it. Don't get me wrong, I love doing azgeocaching.com, but there are > > some days that I just don't even want to look at it. I wouldn't want to > > run a site that absolutly required maintainace every day without a > > little something extra to make it worth my while, and help pay the > > bills. Spreading out the site is a good idea, but it doesn't get rid o > > the fact that the site, however small it is would still need to be > > maintained, and having to do a couple of things a day is almost more > > annoying than haveing to do a bunch of things. Thats always been the > > nice thing about azgeocaching.com, that for the most part, it's been > > self maintaining. We could spend as much or as little time as our > > schedules dictated, and this time of the year it's been a real blessing > > to not HAVE to babysit a website. > > > > Anyway, I guess it would take some further discussion. > > > > Brian Cluff > > Team Snaptek > > > > Brian LaFrance wrote: > > > I'm all for starting our own open source version specific to > Arizona...if we > > > could get enough resources together, it might be kind of fun to try. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jason > > > Poulter > > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:33 PM > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > > > > > > maybe we should just dump geocaching.com all together and write our own > > > site!!! ;) > > > > > > or at least a distributed database that everyone and anyone could setup > > > and access all over the world with open source code etc... > > > > > > jason > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian LaFrance wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Maybe we could figure out a way to distribute the workload across > several > > >>servers. I also have a server that I could run the code on. It may be > > >>something where we could each query a range of cache numbers, user ID's, > or > > >>some other way of breaking the load up. Not sure if that would help > > > > > > though. > > > > > >>We all may end up banned from scraping data off Geocaching.com...it > could > > > > > > be > > > > > >>a fun project to try though. > > >> > > >>Brian > > >>Team AZEvil > > >> > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > >>[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > > >>bcasteel@cox.net > > >>Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:35 PM > > >>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > >>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > >> > > >> > > >>That's a good idea, in theory. However, not every cacher can write code > > >>like the Snaptek guys, nor can everyone understand how to run a script > of > > >>this nature. If they gave me the code, I'd gladly throw it up on my > server > > >>to run, and all would be happy. :) > > >> > > >>Brian > > >>Team A.I. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>From: Bob Renner > > >>>Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 05:34:29 EDT > > >>>To: Arizona Geocaching List > > >>>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > >>> > > >>>Jason, > > >>> > > >>>I realize this would be a total rewrite of your > > >>>statistics gathering software, but it might be a way > > >>>to lessen the load it puts on the geocaching.com > > >>>website. Instead of crawling the entire data base, go > > >>>to the individual profile pages of Arizona geocachers, > > >>>and get the information from the "User Stats" pages. > > >>>Anyone who wants to have their information included > > >>>into the AZgeocaching web page, would have to tell you > > >>>to include them in your list. You could still include > > >>>the logs of others on the caches within Arizona. > > >>> > > >>>Another, approach would be for you to provide the code > > >>>for Arizona geocachers to run on their own computers > > >>>to get their basic information from geocaching.com and > > >>>then automatically forward this to you to be compiled > > >>>into one database. The advantage of this would be > > >>>that the load on geocaching.com would be from multiple > > >>>IP addresses and only when a user knows his/her stats > > >>>need to be updated (i.e. when they have found or > > >>>placed a new cache). > > >>> > > >>>Just a thought that might help get around any blocking > > >>>you are experiencing. > > >>> > > >>>Bob Renner > > >>> > > >>>__________________________________ > > >>>Do you Yahoo!? > > >>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > >>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > >>>____________________________________________________________ > > >>>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > >>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > >>>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > >>> > > >>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > >>>http://www.azgeocaching.com > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >>____________________________________________________________ > > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > >> > > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>____________________________________________________________ > > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > >> > > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 18:35:29 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:35:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics References: <3F58B3DB.7020001@Snaptek.com> <002901c373d3$0b2ba810$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> <000901c373d5$08b4c9c0$6d024bab@fishkiller> Message-ID: <004d01c373dc$7b69b370$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> They don't like the mining for data basically. In the past, they've had people who really didn't know what they were doing running jobs to pull data that were misconfigured. This resulted in severe performance degredation because the processes were running at inopportune hours (during most likely caching hours), and some of them would become runaway processes and suck more and more CPU power/bandwidth. In the case of azgeocaching, the jobs were running at something like 3am, when most caching activity is in people's dreams. I don't recall ever hearing about azgeocaching being a problem with regards to a performance hit on the servers of geocaching.com. In all honesty, it's probably a case of someone wanting resources to stay there, and not share the wealth. If the processes were configured correctly, then I don't see there being a problem with it, but then again I'm not a geocaching.com guru and have little say on the matter. There's a few threads in the gc.com forums now somewhat about this very issue, so I'll see what I can find out. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regan L Smith" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > do they consider AZGeocaching a threat? I don't understand you guys make > their stuff much easier to use, and understand. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Casteel" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > Brian, > > > > How much total data do you believe is being grabbed from geocaching.com > > daily when you were pulling the 'usual' stuff? > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Cluff" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:03 AM > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > > > > I would prefer to just get them let us contiunue to do business as > usual. > > > They HAD to have made more money on the existance of azgeocaching.com > > > than the money they can claim they were loosing if we weren't around, > > > not to mention that azgeocaching.com off loads a heck of a lot more > > > bandwidth than it's taking up by crawling the official site. > > > There have also been a ton of people that wanted to donate to us in the > > > past that we just asked to get a membership instead. Without > > > geocaching.com's data our site is very boreing. Jason and I feel that > > > it's in their best interest in let us continue on as usual as I feel > > > those same people will probably just not renew their membership in > > > protest of us getting shut down potentialy costing geocaching.com > > thousands. > > > > > > I would be open to starting our own deal, but thats just way more work > > > and responsibility that I would like to deal with, and it probably > > > doesn't have the numbers of people behind it to potentially make it > > > profitable, so it would be a TON of time that just HAD to be put into > > > it. Don't get me wrong, I love doing azgeocaching.com, but there are > > > some days that I just don't even want to look at it. I wouldn't want to > > > run a site that absolutly required maintainace every day without a > > > little something extra to make it worth my while, and help pay the > > > bills. Spreading out the site is a good idea, but it doesn't get rid o > > > the fact that the site, however small it is would still need to be > > > maintained, and having to do a couple of things a day is almost more > > > annoying than haveing to do a bunch of things. Thats always been the > > > nice thing about azgeocaching.com, that for the most part, it's been > > > self maintaining. We could spend as much or as little time as our > > > schedules dictated, and this time of the year it's been a real blessing > > > to not HAVE to babysit a website. > > > > > > Anyway, I guess it would take some further discussion. > > > > > > Brian Cluff > > > Team Snaptek > > > > > > Brian LaFrance wrote: > > > > I'm all for starting our own open source version specific to > > Arizona...if we > > > > could get enough resources together, it might be kind of fun to try. > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > Jason > > > > Poulter > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:33 PM > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe we should just dump geocaching.com all together and write our > own > > > > site!!! ;) > > > > > > > > or at least a distributed database that everyone and anyone could > setup > > > > and access all over the world with open source code etc... > > > > > > > > jason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian LaFrance wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Maybe we could figure out a way to distribute the workload across > > several > > > >>servers. I also have a server that I could run the code on. It may > be > > > >>something where we could each query a range of cache numbers, user > ID's, > > or > > > >>some other way of breaking the load up. Not sure if that would help > > > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > >>We all may end up banned from scraping data off Geocaching.com...it > > could > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > >>a fun project to try though. > > > >> > > > >>Brian > > > >>Team AZEvil > > > >> > > > >>-----Original Message----- > > > >>From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > >>[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > > > >>bcasteel@cox.net > > > >>Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:35 PM > > > >>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > >>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>That's a good idea, in theory. However, not every cacher can write > code > > > >>like the Snaptek guys, nor can everyone understand how to run a script > > of > > > >>this nature. If they gave me the code, I'd gladly throw it up on my > > server > > > >>to run, and all would be happy. :) > > > >> > > > >>Brian > > > >>Team A.I. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>From: Bob Renner > > > >>>Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 05:34:29 EDT > > > >>>To: Arizona Geocaching List > > > >>>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > >>> > > > >>>Jason, > > > >>> > > > >>>I realize this would be a total rewrite of your > > > >>>statistics gathering software, but it might be a way > > > >>>to lessen the load it puts on the geocaching.com > > > >>>website. Instead of crawling the entire data base, go > > > >>>to the individual profile pages of Arizona geocachers, > > > >>>and get the information from the "User Stats" pages. > > > >>>Anyone who wants to have their information included > > > >>>into the AZgeocaching web page, would have to tell you > > > >>>to include them in your list. You could still include > > > >>>the logs of others on the caches within Arizona. > > > >>> > > > >>>Another, approach would be for you to provide the code > > > >>>for Arizona geocachers to run on their own computers > > > >>>to get their basic information from geocaching.com and > > > >>>then automatically forward this to you to be compiled > > > >>>into one database. The advantage of this would be > > > >>>that the load on geocaching.com would be from multiple > > > >>>IP addresses and only when a user knows his/her stats > > > >>>need to be updated (i.e. when they have found or > > > >>>placed a new cache). > > > >>> > > > >>>Just a thought that might help get around any blocking > > > >>>you are experiencing. > > > >>> > > > >>>Bob Renner > > > >>> > > > >>>__________________________________ > > > >>>Do you Yahoo!? > > > >>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > > >>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > >>>____________________________________________________________ > > > >>>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > >>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > >>>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > >>> > > > >>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > >>>http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>____________________________________________________________ > > > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > >> > > > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>____________________________________________________________ > > > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > >> > > > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 18:38:48 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:38:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics References: <3F58B3DB.7020001@Snaptek.com> <002901c373d3$0b2ba810$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> <000901c373d5$08b4c9c0$6d024bab@fishkiller> Message-ID: <003801c373dc$f3114320$6d024bab@fishkiller> There has to be other "crawlers" out there how are they dealing with it and is there anything that we the beneficiaries of your fantastic work do??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regan L Smith" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > do they consider AZGeocaching a threat? I don't understand you guys make > their stuff much easier to use, and understand. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Casteel" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > Brian, > > > > How much total data do you believe is being grabbed from geocaching.com > > daily when you were pulling the 'usual' stuff? > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Cluff" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:03 AM > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > > > > I would prefer to just get them let us contiunue to do business as > usual. > > > They HAD to have made more money on the existance of azgeocaching.com > > > than the money they can claim they were loosing if we weren't around, > > > not to mention that azgeocaching.com off loads a heck of a lot more > > > bandwidth than it's taking up by crawling the official site. > > > There have also been a ton of people that wanted to donate to us in the > > > past that we just asked to get a membership instead. Without > > > geocaching.com's data our site is very boreing. Jason and I feel that > > > it's in their best interest in let us continue on as usual as I feel > > > those same people will probably just not renew their membership in > > > protest of us getting shut down potentialy costing geocaching.com > > thousands. > > > > > > I would be open to starting our own deal, but thats just way more work > > > and responsibility that I would like to deal with, and it probably > > > doesn't have the numbers of people behind it to potentially make it > > > profitable, so it would be a TON of time that just HAD to be put into > > > it. Don't get me wrong, I love doing azgeocaching.com, but there are > > > some days that I just don't even want to look at it. I wouldn't want to > > > run a site that absolutly required maintainace every day without a > > > little something extra to make it worth my while, and help pay the > > > bills. Spreading out the site is a good idea, but it doesn't get rid o > > > the fact that the site, however small it is would still need to be > > > maintained, and having to do a couple of things a day is almost more > > > annoying than haveing to do a bunch of things. Thats always been the > > > nice thing about azgeocaching.com, that for the most part, it's been > > > self maintaining. We could spend as much or as little time as our > > > schedules dictated, and this time of the year it's been a real blessing > > > to not HAVE to babysit a website. > > > > > > Anyway, I guess it would take some further discussion. > > > > > > Brian Cluff > > > Team Snaptek > > > > > > Brian LaFrance wrote: > > > > I'm all for starting our own open source version specific to > > Arizona...if we > > > > could get enough resources together, it might be kind of fun to try. > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > Jason > > > > Poulter > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:33 PM > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe we should just dump geocaching.com all together and write our > own > > > > site!!! ;) > > > > > > > > or at least a distributed database that everyone and anyone could > setup > > > > and access all over the world with open source code etc... > > > > > > > > jason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian LaFrance wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Maybe we could figure out a way to distribute the workload across > > several > > > >>servers. I also have a server that I could run the code on. It may > be > > > >>something where we could each query a range of cache numbers, user > ID's, > > or > > > >>some other way of breaking the load up. Not sure if that would help > > > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > >>We all may end up banned from scraping data off Geocaching.com...it > > could > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > >>a fun project to try though. > > > >> > > > >>Brian > > > >>Team AZEvil > > > >> > > > >>-----Original Message----- > > > >>From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > >>[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > > > >>bcasteel@cox.net > > > >>Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:35 PM > > > >>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > >>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>That's a good idea, in theory. However, not every cacher can write > code > > > >>like the Snaptek guys, nor can everyone understand how to run a script > > of > > > >>this nature. If they gave me the code, I'd gladly throw it up on my > > server > > > >>to run, and all would be happy. :) > > > >> > > > >>Brian > > > >>Team A.I. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>From: Bob Renner > > > >>>Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 05:34:29 EDT > > > >>>To: Arizona Geocaching List > > > >>>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > >>> > > > >>>Jason, > > > >>> > > > >>>I realize this would be a total rewrite of your > > > >>>statistics gathering software, but it might be a way > > > >>>to lessen the load it puts on the geocaching.com > > > >>>website. Instead of crawling the entire data base, go > > > >>>to the individual profile pages of Arizona geocachers, > > > >>>and get the information from the "User Stats" pages. > > > >>>Anyone who wants to have their information included > > > >>>into the AZgeocaching web page, would have to tell you > > > >>>to include them in your list. You could still include > > > >>>the logs of others on the caches within Arizona. > > > >>> > > > >>>Another, approach would be for you to provide the code > > > >>>for Arizona geocachers to run on their own computers > > > >>>to get their basic information from geocaching.com and > > > >>>then automatically forward this to you to be compiled > > > >>>into one database. The advantage of this would be > > > >>>that the load on geocaching.com would be from multiple > > > >>>IP addresses and only when a user knows his/her stats > > > >>>need to be updated (i.e. when they have found or > > > >>>placed a new cache). > > > >>> > > > >>>Just a thought that might help get around any blocking > > > >>>you are experiencing. > > > >>> > > > >>>Bob Renner > > > >>> > > > >>>__________________________________ > > > >>>Do you Yahoo!? > > > >>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > > >>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > >>>____________________________________________________________ > > > >>>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > >>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > >>>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > >>> > > > >>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > >>>http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>____________________________________________________________ > > > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > >> > > > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>____________________________________________________________ > > > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > >> > > > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 19:14:32 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:14:32 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] my new virtual. Message-ID: <6D3DC9CA.2699D0EC.0013DAD2@aol.com> I have a new virtual cache N of Ash Fork, I was just approved today but I "placed" it on the 24th so it is not green on the map and it did not pop up on the new cache list. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 19:25:13 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Cache-Quest) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:25:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics References: <3F58B3DB.7020001@Snaptek.com> <002901c373d3$0b2ba810$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> <000901c373d5$08b4c9c0$6d024bab@fishkiller> <003801c373dc$f3114320$6d024bab@fishkiller> Message-ID: <009201c373e3$6e78d950$6901a8c0@JERRY> Most "crawlers" will obey a site's ROBOTS.TXT file. GEOCACHING.COM's ROBOTS.TXT disallows almost all crawling. Here is a copy... User-agent: * # Disallow all unnecessary content from the search Disallow: /iis/* Disallow: /login/* Disallow: /admin/* Disallow: /map/* Disallow: /email/* Disallow: /my/* Disallow: /seek/nearest.asp* Disallow: /seek/nearest_cache.asp* Disallow: /seek/waypoint.asp* Disallow: /bait.asp Because of what Snaptek needs for azgeocaching.com, they have to ignore the robots.txt file. Unfortunately most web sites are smart enough now days to recognize unauthorized crawling and will automatically prevent it. Some consider it a form of hacking because of what it does to the server. You can't really blame geocaching.com. They probably have many folks trying to crawl the site and because of international interest there really isn't a good time to do it. What they really need is a decent interface to allow folks to get bulk information. The query generator was a step in the right direction, but it falls short. I'd like to simply get a list of all the caches I've found in XML format to do with what I want, but the Query Generator can't even do that. Jerry (Cache-Quest) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regan L Smith" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > There has to be other "crawlers" out there how are they dealing with it and > is there anything that we the beneficiaries of your fantastic work do??? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Regan L Smith" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > do they consider AZGeocaching a threat? I don't understand you guys make > > their stuff much easier to use, and understand. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 20:26:48 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another one hits 200 In-Reply-To: <20030905093849.22101.h011.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <20030905202648.97592.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2107810324-1062793608=:96811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Trisha, have you hit the "200" mark? Congratulations! There's been a few of us who have hit 200 this past couple of weeks. Congratulations to anyone else I may have missed. Trisha wrote: Thanks for all your hard work, (and I would like to JUST ONCE see my numbers over 200 (206) if you ever get the stats "fixed"!) Trisha "Lightning" Prescott Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-2107810324-1062793608=:96811 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Trisha, have you hit the "200" mark? Congratulations!
 
There's been a few of us who have hit 200 this past couple of weeks. Congratulations to anyone else I may have missed.

Trisha <trisha@brasher.com> wrote:
Thanks for all your hard work, (and I would like to JUST ONCE see my
numbers over 200 (206) if you ever get the stats "fixed"!)
Trisha "Lightning"
Prescott


Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-2107810324-1062793608=:96811-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 20:40:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] possible way to get an answer? Message-ID: <20030905204016.15037.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1446330071-1062794416=:14687 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From the geocaching forums: Originally posted by graldrich: What I'd like to know is WHY geocaching com is blocking azgeocaching.com from getting statistics for the state of Arizona? --------------------------------- We don't block people/sites like this. If you're having connectivity problems, email me at admin at groundspeak dot com and I'll be happy to investigate this for you. Elias The forum thread http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=8016058331&m=18860987&r=25560438#25560438 Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1446330071-1062794416=:14687 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
From the geocaching forums:
 
Originally posted by graldrich:
What I'd like to know is WHY geocaching com is blocking azgeocaching.com from getting statistics for the state of Arizona?
We don't block people/sites like this. If you're having connectivity problems, email me at admin at groundspeak dot com and I'll be happy to investigate this for you.

Frog Elias
 
 


Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1446330071-1062794416=:14687-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 20:52:32 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:52:32 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Suggestions for Statistics Message-ID: <3F58F790.4010600@mchsi.com> I really think the best approach to this problem is to get www.geocaching.com's approval and even their blessing. To do that we, as a community, need to open a dialog with someone at www.geocaching.com who can make decisions and convince them that it is to their benefit to allow azgeocaching.com to access their data. I can think of a few ways to do this. 1) We could delegate an individual (or team of individuals) to champion this cause. 2.) Circulate a petition signed by everyone in the AZ geocaching community and send it to someone in charge. 3) Mount a campaign of letters in which we all send individual letters (or perhaps a copy of the same letter.) An occasional e-mail from Snaptek won't carry much weight. 4) A combination of all of the above. But, before we can attempt any of this, we need to first discover for ourselves what the benefit to www.geocaching.com is. I don't think it's been clearly defined, yet. There's been lots of talk about how _we_ need our stats and what a great job the Snaptek guys do (which they do) but we need to ask ourselves what the benefit to geocaching.com will be if Snaptek has access to their data. Until that determination is made, we don't have a snowball's chance in Phoenix. Here's what I think _won't_ work: 1) Boycotting. Remember, there are 50 states and umpteen countries that support www.geocaching.com and Arizona is only one of them. Of the percentage of geocachers who are Arizonans, only a certain percentage of them have Charter Memberships. Of that number who have memberships, only a percentage will participate in a boycott. The number of memberships that www.geocaching.com loses due to this issue won't even be noticeable. Boycotts, whether its gasoline, tea, imported goods or electronic data, are only effective when they are executed on a large scale and with a strong show of solidarity. 2) Continued discussion, locally, of how much _we_ need the data. Like I said before, we need to be talking about how www.geocaching.com can see it as beneficial and we need to take our case to them. -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 21:21:30 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:21:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] possible way to get an answer? In-Reply-To: <20030905204016.15037.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030905204016.15037.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F58FE5A.40908@snaptek.com> I just sent a letter to the address he recommended with details on which IP the crawler uses, what name it crawls under, and a hint that it would be VERY nice if I could get a tab delimeted file with the needed info in it, but if he could just unblock the IP that it would make a lot of people happy. I really don't think they have the slighest problem with us. They might with joe schmoe wanting to crawl their whole site for a couple of numbers, but we have been around for almost as long as they have, only grab the info we need and have only benefited them with our existance. We'll see though... Brian Cluff Team Snaptek AzGeocaching.com Gale Draper wrote: > From the geocaching forums: > > Originally posted by graldrich: > What I'd like to know is WHY geocaching com is blocking azgeocaching.com > from getting statistics for the state of Arizona? We don't block > people/sites like this. If you're having connectivity problems, email me > at admin at groundspeak dot com and I'll be happy to investigate this > for you. > > Elias > > > The forum thread > http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=8016058331&m=18860987&r=25560438#25560438 > > > > Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes > On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: > "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- > "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" > > Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder > - Free, > easy-to-use web site design software From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 21:28:09 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:28:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another one hits 200 Message-ID: <20030905142810.2899.h006.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Yup! 206 (total, with about 59 "out of state") as of Tuesday. Finally! Thanks Gale! Trisha On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:26:48 -0700 (PDT), Gale Draper wrote: Trisha, have you hit the "200" mark? Congratulations!   There's been a few of us who have hit 200 this past couple of weeks. Congratulations to anyone else I may have missed.Trisha wrote: Thanks for all your hard work, (and I would like to JUST ONCE see mynumbers over 200 (206) if you ever get the stats "fixed"!)Trisha "Lightning"PrescottTill a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"   Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 21:39:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:39:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics In-Reply-To: <009201c373e3$6e78d950$6901a8c0@JERRY> References: <3F58B3DB.7020001@Snaptek.com> <002901c373d3$0b2ba810$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> <000901c373d5$08b4c9c0$6d024bab@fishkiller> <003801c373dc$f3114320$6d024bab@fishkiller> <009201c373e3$6e78d950$6901a8c0@JERRY> Message-ID: <3F590274.9090206@snaptek.com> we dont crawl any of those and still got whacked!!! jason Team Cache-Quest wrote: >Most "crawlers" will obey a site's ROBOTS.TXT file. > >GEOCACHING.COM's ROBOTS.TXT disallows almost all crawling. Here is a >copy... > >User-agent: * ># Disallow all unnecessary content from the search >Disallow: /iis/* >Disallow: /login/* >Disallow: /admin/* >Disallow: /map/* >Disallow: /email/* >Disallow: /my/* >Disallow: /seek/nearest.asp* >Disallow: /seek/nearest_cache.asp* >Disallow: /seek/waypoint.asp* >Disallow: /bait.asp > >Because of what Snaptek needs for azgeocaching.com, they have to ignore the >robots.txt file. Unfortunately most web sites are smart enough now days to >recognize unauthorized crawling and will automatically prevent it. Some >consider it a form of hacking because of what it does to the server. > >You can't really blame geocaching.com. They probably have many folks trying >to crawl the site and because of international interest there really isn't a >good time to do it. What they really need is a decent interface to allow >folks to get bulk information. The query generator was a step in the right >direction, but it falls short. I'd like to simply get a list of all the >caches I've found in XML format to do with what I want, but the Query >Generator can't even do that. > >Jerry (Cache-Quest) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Regan L Smith" >To: >Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 11:38 AM >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > >>There has to be other "crawlers" out there how are they dealing with it >> >> >and > > >>is there anything that we the beneficiaries of your fantastic work do??? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Regan L Smith" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:42 AM >>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics >> >> >> >> >>>do they consider AZGeocaching a threat? I don't understand you guys make >>>their stuff much easier to use, and understand. >>> >>> > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 21:43:13 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:43:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics In-Reply-To: <009201c373e3$6e78d950$6901a8c0@JERRY> References: <3F58B3DB.7020001@Snaptek.com> <002901c373d3$0b2ba810$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> <000901c373d5$08b4c9c0$6d024bab@fishkiller> <003801c373dc$f3114320$6d024bab@fishkiller> <009201c373e3$6e78d950$6901a8c0@JERRY> Message-ID: <3F590371.1050106@snaptek.com> just got an email reply back from geocaching.com about the blocked ip.... he has been busy and neglecting emails... but he did get the ip UNBLOCKED so we can probably resume crawling normally.... he did metion that there are scripts inplace to detect ips /crawlers that are beating the system to hard at anyone time.... so if i throttle back the crawling we should be ok.... so i have a little fine tuning to do until we get back to normal... please be patient!!!! thanks Jason Snaptek AzGeocaching.com Team Cache-Quest wrote: >Most "crawlers" will obey a site's ROBOTS.TXT file. > >GEOCACHING.COM's ROBOTS.TXT disallows almost all crawling. Here is a >copy... > >User-agent: * ># Disallow all unnecessary content from the search >Disallow: /iis/* >Disallow: /login/* >Disallow: /admin/* >Disallow: /map/* >Disallow: /email/* >Disallow: /my/* >Disallow: /seek/nearest.asp* >Disallow: /seek/nearest_cache.asp* >Disallow: /seek/waypoint.asp* >Disallow: /bait.asp > >Because of what Snaptek needs for azgeocaching.com, they have to ignore the >robots.txt file. Unfortunately most web sites are smart enough now days to >recognize unauthorized crawling and will automatically prevent it. Some >consider it a form of hacking because of what it does to the server. > >You can't really blame geocaching.com. They probably have many folks trying >to crawl the site and because of international interest there really isn't a >good time to do it. What they really need is a decent interface to allow >folks to get bulk information. The query generator was a step in the right >direction, but it falls short. I'd like to simply get a list of all the >caches I've found in XML format to do with what I want, but the Query >Generator can't even do that. > >Jerry (Cache-Quest) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Regan L Smith" >To: >Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 11:38 AM >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > >>There has to be other "crawlers" out there how are they dealing with it >> >> >and > > >>is there anything that we the beneficiaries of your fantastic work do??? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Regan L Smith" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:42 AM >>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics >> >> >> >> >>>do they consider AZGeocaching a threat? I don't understand you guys make >>>their stuff much easier to use, and understand. >>> >>> > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 22:22:19 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:22:19 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics Message-ID: <20030905222220.JVBJ28174.fed1mtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Yay! Hopefully all will continue to go well. I'm guessing that they put something in place to block all offending IPs to simplify their lives due to the morons who don't know how to do it properly, and try to dump the site daily just for their own perusal. Brian Team A.I. > > From: Jason Poulter > Date: 2003/09/05 Fri PM 05:43:13 EDT > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > just got an email reply back from geocaching.com about the blocked > ip.... he has been busy and neglecting emails... but he did get the ip > UNBLOCKED so we can probably resume crawling normally.... > > he did metion that there are scripts inplace to detect ips /crawlers > that are beating the system to hard at anyone time.... so if i throttle > back the crawling we should be ok.... so i have a little fine tuning to > do until we get back to normal... > > please be patient!!!! > > thanks > > Jason > Snaptek > AzGeocaching.com > > > > Team Cache-Quest wrote: > > >Most "crawlers" will obey a site's ROBOTS.TXT file. > > > >GEOCACHING.COM's ROBOTS.TXT disallows almost all crawling. Here is a > >copy... > > > >User-agent: * > ># Disallow all unnecessary content from the search > >Disallow: /iis/* > >Disallow: /login/* > >Disallow: /admin/* > >Disallow: /map/* > >Disallow: /email/* > >Disallow: /my/* > >Disallow: /seek/nearest.asp* > >Disallow: /seek/nearest_cache.asp* > >Disallow: /seek/waypoint.asp* > >Disallow: /bait.asp > > > >Because of what Snaptek needs for azgeocaching.com, they have to ignore the > >robots.txt file. Unfortunately most web sites are smart enough now days to > >recognize unauthorized crawling and will automatically prevent it. Some > >consider it a form of hacking because of what it does to the server. > > > >You can't really blame geocaching.com. They probably have many folks trying > >to crawl the site and because of international interest there really isn't a > >good time to do it. What they really need is a decent interface to allow > >folks to get bulk information. The query generator was a step in the right > >direction, but it falls short. I'd like to simply get a list of all the > >caches I've found in XML format to do with what I want, but the Query > >Generator can't even do that. > > > >Jerry (Cache-Quest) > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Regan L Smith" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 11:38 AM > >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > > > > > > >>There has to be other "crawlers" out there how are they dealing with it > >> > >> > >and > > > > > >>is there anything that we the beneficiaries of your fantastic work do??? > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Regan L Smith" > >>To: > >>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:42 AM > >>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>do they consider AZGeocaching a threat? I don't understand you guys make > >>>their stuff much easier to use, and understand. > >>> > >>> > > > >____________________________________________________________ > >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 22:35:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics In-Reply-To: <3F590371.1050106@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <20030905223551.80522.qmail@web14810.mail.yahoo.com> --0-679071366-1062801351=:80332 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm glad things worked out okay. Will either of you be at the event? I'd like to make a donation to your site's expenses. I don't have a Paypal account and we've been wanting to donate for quite awhile. Jason Poulter wrote: just got an email reply back from geocaching.com about the blocked ip.... he has been busy and neglecting emails... but he did get the ip UNBLOCKED so we can probably resume crawling normally.... he did metion that there are scripts inplace to detect ips /crawlers that are beating the system to hard at anyone time.... so if i throttle back the crawling we should be ok.... so i have a little fine tuning to do until we get back to normal... please be patient!!!! thanks Jason Snaptek AzGeocaching.com Team Cache-Quest wrote: >Most "crawlers" will obey a site's ROBOTS.TXT file. > >GEOCACHING.COM's ROBOTS.TXT disallows almost all crawling. Here is a >copy... > >User-agent: * ># Disallow all unnecessary content from the search >Disallow: /iis/* >Disallow: /login/* >Disallow: /admin/* >Disallow: /map/* >Disallow: /email/* >Disallow: /my/* >Disallow: /seek/nearest.asp* >Disallow: /seek/nearest_cache.asp* >Disallow: /seek/waypoint.asp* >Disallow: /bait.asp > >Because of what Snaptek needs for azgeocaching.com, they have to ignore the >robots.txt file. Unfortunately most web sites are smart enough now days to >recognize unauthorized crawling and will automatically prevent it. Some >consider it a form of hacking because of what it does to the server. > >You can't really blame geocaching.com. They probably have many folks trying >to crawl the site and because of international interest there really isn't a >good time to do it. What they really need is a decent interface to allow >folks to get bulk information. The query generator was a step in the right >direction, but it falls short. I'd like to simply get a list of all the >caches I've found in XML format to do with what I want, but the Query >Generator can't even do that. > >Jerry (Cache-Quest) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Regan L Smith" >To: >Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 11:38 AM >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > >>There has to be other "crawlers" out there how are they dealing with it >> >> >and > > >>is there anything that we the beneficiaries of your fantastic work do??? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Regan L Smith" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:42 AM >>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics >> >> >> >> >>>do they consider AZGeocaching a threat? I don't understand you guys make >>>their stuff much easier to use, and understand. >>> >>> > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-679071366-1062801351=:80332 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I'm glad things worked out okay. Will either of you be at the event? I'd like to make a donation to your site's expenses. I don't have a Paypal account and we've been wanting to donate for quite awhile.

Jason Poulter <polt@snaptek.com> wrote:
just got an email reply back from geocaching.com about the blocked
ip.... he has been busy and neglecting emails... but he did get the ip
UNBLOCKED so we can probably resume crawling normally....

he did metion that there are scripts inplace to detect ips /crawlers
that are beating the system to hard at anyone time.... so if i throttle
back the crawling we should be ok.... so i have a little fine tuning to
do until we get back to normal...

please be patient!!!!

thanks

Jason
Snaptek
AzGeocaching.com



Team Cache-Quest wrote:

>Most "crawlers" will obey a site's ROBOTS.TXT file.
>
>GEOCACHING.COM's ROBOTS.TXT disallows almost all crawling. Here is a
>copy...
>
>User-agent: *
># Disallow all unnecessary content from the search
>Disallow: /iis/*
>Disallow: /login/*
>Disallow: /admin/*
>Disallow: /map/*
>Disallow: /email/*
>Disallow: /my/*
>Disallow: /seek/nearest.asp*
>Disallow: /seek/nearest_cache.asp*
>Disallow: /seek/waypoint.asp*
>Disallow: /bait.asp
>
>Because of what Snaptek needs for azgeocaching.com, they have to ignore the
>robots.txt file. Unfortunately most web sites are smart enough now days to
>recognize unauthorized crawling and will automatically prevent it. Some
>consider it a form of hacking because of what it does to the server.
>
>You can't really blame geocaching.com. They probably have many folks trying
>to crawl the site and because of international interest there really isn't a
>good time to do it. What they really need is a decent interface to allow
>folks to get bulk information. The query generator was a step in the right
>direction, but it falls short. I'd like to simply get a list of all the
>caches I've found in XML format to do with what I want, but the Query
>Generator can't even do that.
>
>Jerry (Cache-Quest)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Regan L Smith"
>To:
>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 11:38 AM
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics
>
>
>
>
>>There has to be other "crawlers" out there how are they dealing with it
>>
>>
>and
>
>
>>is there anything that we the beneficiaries of your fantastic work do???
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Regan L Smith"
>>To:
>>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:42 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>do they consider AZGeocaching a threat? I don't understand you guys make
>>>their stuff much easier to use, and understand.
>>>
>>>
>
>____________________________________________________________
>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com
>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:
>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching
>
>Arizona's Geocaching Resource
>http://www.azgeocaching.com
>
>


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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-679071366-1062801351=:80332-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 5 23:12:15 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian LaFrance) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:12:15 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics In-Reply-To: <3F590371.1050106@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <005b01c37403$2597b8d0$0000fea9@starvinmarvin> For the AZGeocaching gods: If/When things get back to semi-normal, how open are you Snaptek guys to allowing some of us that know what we are doing create tools/toys based on the data you have retreived? It would be nice to get some data in XML format for personal use, as Jerry had mentioned earlier. Also, are there any tasks that volunteers could take on with the site to help take some of the load off Snaptek? Brian Team AZEvil -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Jason Poulter Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 2:43 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics just got an email reply back from geocaching.com about the blocked ip.... he has been busy and neglecting emails... but he did get the ip UNBLOCKED so we can probably resume crawling normally.... he did metion that there are scripts inplace to detect ips /crawlers that are beating the system to hard at anyone time.... so if i throttle back the crawling we should be ok.... so i have a little fine tuning to do until we get back to normal... please be patient!!!! thanks Jason Snaptek AzGeocaching.com Team Cache-Quest wrote: >Most "crawlers" will obey a site's ROBOTS.TXT file. > >GEOCACHING.COM's ROBOTS.TXT disallows almost all crawling. Here is a >copy... > >User-agent: * ># Disallow all unnecessary content from the search >Disallow: /iis/* >Disallow: /login/* >Disallow: /admin/* >Disallow: /map/* >Disallow: /email/* >Disallow: /my/* >Disallow: /seek/nearest.asp* >Disallow: /seek/nearest_cache.asp* >Disallow: /seek/waypoint.asp* >Disallow: /bait.asp > >Because of what Snaptek needs for azgeocaching.com, they have to ignore >the robots.txt file. Unfortunately most web sites are smart enough now >days to recognize unauthorized crawling and will automatically prevent >it. Some consider it a form of hacking because of what it does to the >server. > >You can't really blame geocaching.com. They probably have many folks >trying to crawl the site and because of international interest there >really isn't a good time to do it. What they really need is a decent >interface to allow folks to get bulk information. The query generator >was a step in the right direction, but it falls short. I'd like to >simply get a list of all the caches I've found in XML format to do with >what I want, but the Query Generator can't even do that. > >Jerry (Cache-Quest) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Regan L Smith" >To: >Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 11:38 AM >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > >>There has to be other "crawlers" out there how are they dealing with >>it >> >> >and > > >>is there anything that we the beneficiaries of your fantastic work >>do??? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Regan L Smith" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:42 AM >>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics >> >> >> >> >>>do they consider AZGeocaching a threat? I don't understand you guys >>>make their stuff much easier to use, and understand. >>> >>> > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 6 05:15:37 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 22:15:37 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Watermark Message-ID: <3F596D79.1060301@mchsi.com> If I'm not mistaken, Team AJ.JR just found their 600th cache today. Let me be the first to congratulate them. While 600 caches isn't new among Arizona cachers, they have done it on less than one year! My hat is off. Watch out, though... . we're right on your tail! :-) -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 6 06:10:50 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Watermark In-Reply-To: <3F596D79.1060301@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20030906061050.94278.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> --0-276633388-1062828650=:94270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Congratulations! You are all making us look lazy. (just kidding) Scott Sparks wrote: If I'm not mistaken, Team AJ.JR just found their 600th cache today. Let me be the first to congratulate them. While 600 caches isn't new among Arizona cachers, they have done it on less than one year! My hat is off. 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Congratulations!
 
You are all making us look lazy. (just kidding)

Scott Sparks <scottsparks1@mchsi.com> wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, Team AJ.JR just found their 600th cache today. Let
me be the first to congratulate them. While 600 caches isn't new among
Arizona cachers, they have done it on less than one year! My hat is off.
Watch out, though... . we're right on your tail! :-)

-- Sprocket

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-276633388-1062828650=:94270-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 6 15:56:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 08:56:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Watermark Message-ID: I too would like to Congratulate AJ.JR on reaching the 600 mark! Way to go! Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 6 16:15:33 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 09:15:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Watermark Message-ID: <20030906091543.18222.h018.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I'll add my hat-tip and awe to AJ.JR, congrats! Especially so fast.... Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:10:50 -0700 (PDT), Gale Draper wrote: Congratulations!   You are all making us look lazy. (just kidding)Scott Sparks wrote: If I'm not mistaken, Team AJ.JR just found their 600th cache today. Let me be the first to congratulate them. While 600 caches isn't new among Arizona cachers, they have done it on less than one year! My hat is off. Watch out, though... . we're right on your tail! :-)-- Sprocket____________________________________________________________Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.comTo edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocachingArizona's Geocaching Resourcehttp://www.azgeocaching.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 6 16:23:20 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Watermark In-Reply-To: <20030906091543.18222.h018.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <20030906162320.51233.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1291687078-1062865400=:50412 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii WOW! In less than a year? Is that a new record? That's INSANE! : ) CONGRATS AJ.JR! Trisha wrote:I'll add my hat-tip and awe to AJ.JR, congrats! Especially so fast.... Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:10:50 -0700 (PDT), Gale Draper wrote: Congratulations! You are all making us look lazy. (just kidding)Scott Sparks wrote: If I'm not mistaken, Team AJ.JR just found their 600th cache today. Let me be the first to congratulate them. While 600 caches isn't new among Arizona cachers, they have done it on less than one year! My hat is off. Watch out, though... . we're right on your tail! :-)-- Sprocket____________________________________________________________Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.comTo edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocachingArizona's Geocaching Resourcehttp://www.azgeocaching.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1291687078-1062865400=:50412 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
WOW! In less than a year? Is that a new record? That's INSANE! : ) CONGRATS AJ.JR!

Trisha <trisha@brasher.com> wrote:
I'll add my hat-tip and awe to AJ.JR, congrats! Especially so fast....
Trisha "Lightning"
Prescott


On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:10:50 -0700 (PDT), Gale Draper wrote:

Congratulations!
 
You are all making us look lazy. (just kidding)Scott Sparks
wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, Team AJ.JR just found their 600th cache today.
Let me be the first to congratulate them. While 600 caches isn't new
among Arizona cachers, they have done it on less than one year! My hat
is off. Watch out, though... . we're right on your tail! :-)--
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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1291687078-1062865400=:50412-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 6 16:42:57 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 12:42:57 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] re watermark Message-ID: <1d7.10188681.2c8b6891@aol.com> --part1_1d7.10188681.2c8b6891_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congrats AJ JR!! --part1_1d7.10188681.2c8b6891_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congrats AJ JR!! --part1_1d7.10188681.2c8b6891_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 6 18:25:04 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 11:25:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Watermark References: Message-ID: <001701c374a4$327087c0$09174bab@fishkiller> congrats ----- Original Message ----- From: "RopingThe Wind" To: Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Watermark > I too would like to Congratulate AJ.JR on reaching the 600 mark! Way to go! > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! > http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 7 22:41:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gasoline in Payson about 30 cents per gallon cheaper than Phoenix Message-ID: <20030907224100.18587.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1864811184-1062974460=:18109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you want to get out of the heat and go geocaching in a cooler, scenic area that is not far from the Phoenix area, I recommend traveling up the Beeline Highway (SR 87) towards the Payson area. Payson is only about 60 miles from Fountain Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa. There are many caches near the Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and Payson, the majority of them less than 1000 feet from a parking area and accessible by 2WD vehicles. There are also more difficult caches if you like longer hikes. Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in caches near the Beeline Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come and get these travel bugs and move them around. Perhaps the best thing about geocaching in the Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per gallon cheaper there than in the Phoenix area. Azcachemeister and I paid $1.689 per gallon to fill up my SUV prior to leaving Payson Saturday night. Therefore, even if you don't visit many caches, you can at least save some money on gasoline by filling up your vehicles' fuel tank prior to leaving Payson. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-1864811184-1062974460=:18109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
If you want to get out of the heat and go geocaching in a cooler, scenic area that is not far from the Phoenix area, I recommend traveling up the Beeline Highway (SR 87) towards the Payson area.  Payson is only about 60 miles from Fountain Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa.  There are many caches near the Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and Payson, the majority of them less than 1000 feet from a parking area and accessible by 2WD vehicles.  There are also more difficult caches if you like longer hikes.  
 
Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in caches near the Beeline Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come and get these travel bugs and move them around.  Perhaps the best thing about geocaching in the Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per gallon cheaper there than in the Phoenix area.  Azcachemeister and I paid $1.689 per gallon to fill up my SUV prior to leaving Payson Saturday night.   Therefore, even if you don't visit many caches, you can at least save some money on gasoline by filling up your vehicles' fuel tank prior to leaving Payson.

Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)
--0-1864811184-1062974460=:18109-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 8 00:51:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:51:00 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gasoline in Payson about 30 cents per gallon cheaper than Phoenix Message-ID: <20030908005101.KGZJ3983.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1062982260141_ETlXgvWo(= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken, that's an excellent idea, and I didn't know about the fuel price difference there. I've been avoiding caching for the most part because I can't stomach such a huge increase in my gas budget caching around town. I could make a very full day of caching if I took off to the high country for a day and it would be a welcome trip. Brian Team A.I. > > From: Ken Akerman > Date: 2003/09/07 Sun PM 06:41:00 EDT > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gasoline in Payson about 30 cents per gallon cheaper than Phoenix > > If you want to get out of the heat and go geocaching in a cooler, scenic area that is not far from the Phoenix area, I recommend traveling up the Beeline Highway (SR 87) towards the Payson area. Payson is only about 60 miles from Fountain Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa. There are many caches near the Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and Payson, the majority of them less than 1000 feet from a parking area and accessible by 2WD vehicles. There are also more difficult caches if you like longer hikes. > > Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in caches near the Beeline Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come and get these travel bugs and move them around. Perhaps the best thing about geocaching in the Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per gallon cheaper there than in the Phoenix area. Azcachemeister and I paid $1.689 per gallon to fill up my SUV prior to leaving Payson Saturday night. Therefore, even if you don't visit many caches, you can at least save some money on gasoline by filling up your vehicles' fuel tank prior to leaving Payson. > > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) > > ------=____1062982260141_ETlXgvWo(= Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
If you want to get out of the heat and go geocaching in a cooler, scenic area that is not far from the Phoenix area, I recommend traveling up the Beeline Highway (SR 87) towards the Payson area.  Payson is only about 60 miles from Fountain Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa.  There are many caches near the Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and Payson, the majority of them less than 1000 feet from a parking area and accessible by 2WD vehicles.  There are also more difficult caches if you like longer hikes.  
 
Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in caches near the Beeline Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come and get these travel bugs and move them around.  Perhaps the best thing about geocaching in the Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per gallon cheaper there than in the Phoenix area.  Azcachemeister and I paid $1.689 per gallon to fill up my SUV prior to leaving Payson Saturday night.   Therefore, even if you don't visit many caches, you can at least save some money on gasoline by filling up your vehicles' fuel tank prior to leaving Payson.

Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)
------=____1062982260141_ETlXgvWo(=-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 8 02:42:32 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 19:42:32 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics In-Reply-To: <3F590274.9090206@snaptek.com> Message-ID: I think it is amusing that several days ago I suggested a petition and got precisely two supportive responses. Now the stats are broken everyone is up in arms. Unfortunately I was healthy several days ago, but now I am in a lot of pain and in and out of the hospital - I can't sit down and concentrate for any length of time to write out a well considered and toughtful petition text. So, if someone else wishes to do this go ahead. Good luck. www.petitiononline.com Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jason Poulter Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 2:39 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics we dont crawl any of those and still got whacked!!! jason Team Cache-Quest wrote: >Most "crawlers" will obey a site's ROBOTS.TXT file. > >GEOCACHING.COM's ROBOTS.TXT disallows almost all crawling. Here is a >copy... > >User-agent: * ># Disallow all unnecessary content from the search >Disallow: /iis/* >Disallow: /login/* >Disallow: /admin/* >Disallow: /map/* >Disallow: /email/* >Disallow: /my/* >Disallow: /seek/nearest.asp* >Disallow: /seek/nearest_cache.asp* >Disallow: /seek/waypoint.asp* >Disallow: /bait.asp > >Because of what Snaptek needs for azgeocaching.com, they have to ignore the >robots.txt file. Unfortunately most web sites are smart enough now days to >recognize unauthorized crawling and will automatically prevent it. Some >consider it a form of hacking because of what it does to the server. > >You can't really blame geocaching.com. They probably have many folks trying >to crawl the site and because of international interest there really isn't a >good time to do it. What they really need is a decent interface to allow >folks to get bulk information. The query generator was a step in the right >direction, but it falls short. I'd like to simply get a list of all the >caches I've found in XML format to do with what I want, but the Query >Generator can't even do that. > >Jerry (Cache-Quest) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Regan L Smith" >To: >Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 11:38 AM >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics > > > > >>There has to be other "crawlers" out there how are they dealing with it >> >> >and > > >>is there anything that we the beneficiaries of your fantastic work do??? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Regan L Smith" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:42 AM >>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics >> >> >> >> >>>do they consider AZGeocaching a threat? I don't understand you guys make >>>their stuff much easier to use, and understand. >>> >>> > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 8 14:08:39 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Richard E Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:08:39 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gasoline in Payson about 30 cents per gallon cheaper than Phoenix References: <20030908005101.KGZJ3983.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <003b01c37612$b42ad260$5c360244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C375D8.07780E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Payson is our favorite summertime caching location. Well, maybe a close = second to Prescuit (sorry Trisha), and you don't have to put up with = I-17 on Sunday evenings. There is a broad range of terrain and difficulty, and some fantastic = country. The Rim caches and those in the Clear Creek area are among the = best. If you haven't cached Payson, you've missed some great seeks All Payson needs is a range of good restaurants like Zuma's or Gurley = Street Grill in Prescuit. The Oaks (?) is nice and there is a new = Mexican place in the Swiss Village, but gastronomically it has a ways to = go. (Boy, am I going to hear about this.) Dick Creedpin' Jeepers ----- Original Message -----=20 From: bcasteel@cox.net=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Gasoline in Payson about 30 cents per = gallon cheaper than Phoenix Ken, that's an excellent idea, and I didn't know about the fuel price = difference there. I've been avoiding caching for the most part because = I can't stomach such a huge increase in my gas budget caching around = town. I could make a very full day of caching if I took off to the high = country for a day and it would be a welcome trip. Brian Team A.I. >=20 > From: Ken Akerman > Date: 2003/09/07 Sun PM 06:41:00 EDT > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gasoline in Payson about 30 cents per = gallon cheaper than Phoenix >=20 > If you want to get out of the heat and go geocaching in a cooler, = scenic area that is not far from the Phoenix area, I recommend traveling = up the Beeline Highway (SR 87) towards the Payson area. Payson is only = about 60 miles from Fountain Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa. There = are many caches near the Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and = Payson, the majority of them less than 1000 feet from a parking area and = accessible by 2WD vehicles. There are also more difficult caches if you = like longer hikes. =20 > =20 > Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in caches near the = Beeline Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come and get = these travel bugs and move them around. Perhaps the best thing about = geocaching in the Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per = gallon cheaper there than in the Phoenix area. Azcachemeister and I = paid $1.689 per gallon to fill up my SUV prior to leaving Payson = Saturday night. Therefore, even if you don't visit many caches, you = can at least save some money on gasoline by filling up your vehicles' = fuel tank prior to leaving Payson. >=20 > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) >=20 >=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- If you want to get out of the heat and go geocaching in a cooler, = scenic area that is not far from the Phoenix area, I recommend traveling = up the Beeline Highway (SR 87) towards the Payson area. Payson is only = about 60 miles from Fountain Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa. There = are many caches near the Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and = Payson, the majority of them less than 1000 feet from a parking area and = accessible by 2WD vehicles. There are also more difficult caches if you = like longer hikes. =20 Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in caches near the Beeline = Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come and get these travel = bugs and move them around. Perhaps the best thing about geocaching in = the Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per gallon cheaper = there than in the Phoenix area. Azcachemeister and I paid $1.689 per = gallon to fill up my SUV prior to leaving Payson Saturday night. = Therefore, even if you don't visit many caches, you can at least save = some money on gasoline by filling up your vehicles' fuel tank prior to = leaving Payson. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C375D8.07780E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Payson is our favorite summertime = caching location.=20 Well, maybe a close second to Prescuit (sorry Trisha), and you don't = have to put=20 up with I-17 on Sunday evenings.
 
There is a broad range of terrain and = difficulty,=20 and some fantastic country. The Rim caches and those in the Clear Creek = area are=20 among the best. If you haven't cached Payson, you've missed some great=20 seeks
 
All Payson needs is a range of good = restaurants=20 like Zuma's or Gurley Street Grill in Prescuit. The Oaks (?) is nice and = there=20 is a new Mexican place in the Swiss Village, but gastronomically it has = a ways=20 to go. (Boy, am I going to hear about this.)
 
Dick
Creedpin' Jeepers
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 bcasteel@cox.net=20
Sent: Sunday, September 07, = 2003 5:51=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Gasoline in=20 Payson about 30 cents per gallon cheaper than Phoenix

Ken, that's an excellent idea, and I didn't know about = the fuel=20 price difference there.  I've been avoiding caching for the most = part=20 because I can't stomach such a huge increase in my gas budget caching = around=20 town.  I could make a very full day of caching if I took off to = the high=20 country for a day and it would be a welcome trip.

Brian
Team = A.I.
>
> From: Ken Akerman = <ken@highpointer.com>
>=20 Date: 2003/09/07 Sun PM 06:41:00 EDT
> To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gasoline in = Payson=20 about 30 cents per gallon cheaper than Phoenix
>
> If you = want to=20 get out of the heat and go geocaching in a cooler, scenic area that is = not far=20 from the Phoenix area, I recommend traveling up the Beeline Highway = (SR 87)=20 towards the Payson area.  Payson is only about 60 miles from = Fountain=20 Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa.  There are many caches near = the=20 Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and Payson, the majority of = them less=20 than 1000 feet from a parking area and accessible by 2WD = vehicles.  There=20 are also more difficult caches if you like longer hikes.  =20
> 
> Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in = caches=20 near the Beeline Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come = and get=20 these travel bugs and move them around.  Perhaps the best thing = about=20 geocaching in the Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per = gallon=20 cheaper there than in the Phoenix area.  Azcachemeister and I = paid $1.689=20 per gallon to fill up my SUV prior to leaving Payson Saturday=20 night.   Therefore, even if you don't visit many caches, you = can at=20 least save some money on gasoline by filling up your vehicles' fuel = tank prior=20 to leaving Payson.
>
> Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)
> =
>=20

If you want to get out of the heat and go geocaching in a cooler, = scenic=20 area that is not far from the Phoenix area, I recommend traveling up = the=20 Beeline Highway (SR 87) towards the Payson area.  Payson is only = about 60=20 miles from Fountain Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa.  There = are many=20 caches near the Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and Payson, the = majority of them less than 1000 feet from a parking area and = accessible by 2WD=20 vehicles.  There are also more difficult caches if you like = longer=20 hikes.  
 
Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in caches near the = Beeline=20 Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come and get these = travel bugs=20 and move them around.  Perhaps the best thing about geocaching in = the=20 Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per gallon cheaper = there than=20 in the Phoenix area.  Azcachemeister and I paid $1.689 per gallon = to fill=20 up my SUV prior to leaving Payson Saturday night.   = Therefore, even=20 if you don't visit many caches, you can at least save some money on = gasoline=20 by filling up your vehicles' fuel tank prior to leaving Payson.

Ken (a.k.a.=20 = Highpointer)
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C375D8.07780E00-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 05:39:45 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 22:39:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Off-Topic Request Message-ID: <20030908223946.16128.h018.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Hey folks, I have an OFF-TOPIC request, sorry, but this is the best way to get the word out to many Phx folks. I would really like one of the new Diamondback's "Babybacks" calendar....but so far they are only selling at the "Valley Team Shops". Not even on the website! Would someone be willing, if they are near a Team Shop, to go get one for me and send it to me? I will of course reimburse all costs, including GAS! Send me a note off-list if you can help me out Thanks, and thanks for the "off-topic" tolerance. BY the way, I have been unable to send a post via the usual email address for the list. Try the alternate (bypass) address: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com take care and write if you can get a calendar!! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott trisha@brasher.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 06:06:57 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 23:06:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Off-Topic Request In-Reply-To: <20030908223946.16128.h018.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> References: <20030908223946.16128.h018.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <3F5D6E01.20406@Snaptek.com> Trisha wrote: > BY the way, I have been unable to send a post via the usual email > address for the list. Try the alternate (bypass) address: > az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Sorry about that. My poor little old server with 5 year old software got a brain transplant today, and with restoring all the software and getting everything back up and running, I forgot to rebuild one of the hash tables that the mail server uses. I'm sure it's not the only thing I forgot. There always seems to be some little thing a machine was doing that you comepletely forget about. Anyway, it appears to be back up and running now. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 10:58:40 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 03:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] stats back Message-ID: <20030909105840.38816.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com> --0-747164875-1063105120=:38511 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I see the stats page has been fixed. Thank you very much. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-747164875-1063105120=:38511 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I see the stats page has been fixed. Thank you very much.


Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-747164875-1063105120=:38511-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 13:01:33 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Burkett) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 06:01:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Off-Topic Request In-Reply-To: <20030908223946.16128.h018.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: I'll take care of it, Trisha. Will delivery the weekend of the 20th and 21st be quick enough or do you want your Babybacks sooner than that? -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Trisha Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 10:40 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Off-Topic Request Hey folks, I have an OFF-TOPIC request, sorry, but this is the best way to get the word out to many Phx folks. I would really like one of the new Diamondback's "Babybacks" calendar....but so far they are only selling at the "Valley Team Shops". Not even on the website! Would someone be willing, if they are near a Team Shop, to go get one for me and send it to me? I will of course reimburse all costs, including GAS! Send me a note off-list if you can help me out Thanks, and thanks for the "off-topic" tolerance. BY the way, I have been unable to send a post via the usual email address for the list. Try the alternate (bypass) address: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com take care and write if you can get a calendar!! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott trisha@brasher.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 13:24:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 06:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] stats back In-Reply-To: <20030909105840.38816.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030909132458.12861.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com> --0-566766695-1063113898=:12302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Its back up and running, but my 105 finds for the month of August is only registering at 85, and my 21-cache run on August 31 doesn't show correctly, either.... Gale Draper wrote:I see the stats page has been fixed. Thank you very much. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-566766695-1063113898=:12302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Its back up and running, but my 105 finds for the month of August is only registering at 85, and my 21-cache run on August 31 doesn't show correctly, either....

Gale Draper <sonoralovesmommy@yahoo.com> wrote:
I see the stats page has been fixed. Thank you very much.


Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-566766695-1063113898=:12302-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 15:10:07 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 08:10:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Off-Topic Request Message-ID: <20030909081008.18936.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Thanks Bill!!!! ---->See private email to follow, to get this off the list.... Thanks again to all for the off-topic tolerance.... Trisha On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 06:01:33 -0700, "Bill Burkett" wrote: > > I'll take care of it, Trisha. Will delivery the weekend of the 20th > and > 21st be quick enough or do you want your Babybacks sooner than that? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of > Trisha > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 10:40 PM > To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Off-Topic Request > > Hey folks, > I have an OFF-TOPIC request, sorry, but this is the best way to get > the word out to many Phx folks. I would really like one of the new > Diamondback's "Babybacks" calendar....but so far they are only selling > at the "Valley Team Shops". Not even on the website! > Would someone be willing, if they are near a Team Shop, to go get one > for me and send it to me? I will of course reimburse all costs, > including GAS! > Send me a note off-list if you can help me out > Thanks, and thanks for the "off-topic" tolerance. > BY the way, I have been unable to send a post via the usual email > address for the list. Try the alternate (bypass) address: > az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > take care and write if you can get a calendar!! > Trisha "Lightning" > Prescott > trisha@brasher.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 15:05:59 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 08:05:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Off-Topic Request Message-ID: <20030909080611.70.h005.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> No problem, Brian....thanks again for all the amazing work you and Jason do! Stats are fixed too....yea! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 23:06:57 -0700, Brian Cluff wrote: > > Trisha wrote: > > BY the way, I have been unable to send a post via the usual email > > address for the list. Try the alternate (bypass) address: > > az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > Sorry about that. My poor little old server with 5 year old software > got a brain transplant today, and with restoring all the software and > getting everything back up and running, I forgot to rebuild one of the > hash tables that the mail server uses. I'm sure it's not the only > thing > I forgot. There always seems to be some little thing a machine was > doing that you comepletely forget about. > Anyway, it appears to be back up and running now. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 16:57:21 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] stats back In-Reply-To: <20030909105840.38816.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030909165721.57803.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for fixing the stats page! Guy --- Gale Draper wrote: > I see the stats page has been fixed. Thank you very > much. > > > Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang > interminable changes > On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated > -- so: > "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look > behind the Ranges -- > "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and > waiting for you. Go!" > > > > Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 19:02:18 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? Message-ID: <20030909190218.48684.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2083287537-1063134138=:48440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week. There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven days. There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of Arizona. There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim. Don't complain about the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and Prescott than it is in Phoenix. Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity? Utah has less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches. We really should have more caches than our neighboring state to the north. (This has always irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona. Why should Utah be a better geocaching state than Arizona? I would like to challenge Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA). Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-2083287537-1063134138=:48440 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week.   There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven days.
 
There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of Arizona.  There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim.  Don't complain about the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and Prescott than it is in Phoenix.
 
Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity?  Utah has less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches.  We really should have more caches than our neighboring state to the north.  (This has always irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona.  Why should Utah be a better geocaching state than Arizona?  I would like to challenge Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA).
 
Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)
--0-2083287537-1063134138=:48440-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 19:13:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:13:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? In-Reply-To: <20030909190218.48684.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b601c37706$6d22c450$6601a8c0@qwest.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C376CB.C0C3EC50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe we should all just move to Utah. -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken Akerman Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:02 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there = is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week. There = have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, while in = Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven days. =20 There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of = Arizona. There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that don't have = many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim. Don't complain about the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and Prescott than it is = in Phoenix. =20 Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity? Utah has = less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as of = today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches. We really should have more caches than = our neighboring state to the north. (This has always irritated me that Utah = has more caches than Arizona. Why should Utah be a better geocaching state = than Arizona? I would like to challenge Arizona to become the best = geocaching state in the USA). =20 Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C376CB.C0C3EC50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Maybe=20 we should all just move to Utah.
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Ken=20 Akerman
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:02 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very = few new=20 caches lately in Arizona?

I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that = there is=20 very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past = week.  =20 There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, = while=20 in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven = days.
 
There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations = of=20 Arizona.  There are still many regions of the state of Arizona = that don't=20 have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them = this=20 weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim.  Don't complain about = the=20 heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two hours = away=20 and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and Prescott = than it=20 is in Phoenix.
 
Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache = activity?  Utah=20 has less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 = caches as of=20 today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches.  We really should have = more caches=20 than our neighboring state to the north.  (This has always = irritated me=20 that Utah has more caches than Arizona.  Why should Utah be a = better=20 geocaching state than Arizona?  I would like to challenge Arizona = to=20 become the best geocaching state in the USA).
 
Ken (a.k.a.=20 Highpointer)
------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C376CB.C0C3EC50-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 19:16:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? In-Reply-To: <20030909190218.48684.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030909191624.91526.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> I think it's the heat!There is not alot of active cachers here in the summer! --- Ken Akerman wrote: > I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it > appears that there is very little new cache activity > in Arizona during the past week. There have been > only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. > 2, while in Utah there have been 19 new caches > approved in the past seven days. > > There are many great places to put caches in the > high elevations of Arizona. There are still many > regions of the state of Arizona that don't have many > caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide > them this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon > Rim. Don't complain about the heat in the Phoenix > area - the high elevations are less than two hours > away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns > like Payson and Prescott than it is in Phoenix. > > Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache > activity? Utah has less than half the population of > Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as of today, > while Arizona has 1,733 caches. We really should > have more caches than our neighboring state to the > north. (This has always irritated me that Utah has > more caches than Arizona. Why should Utah be a > better geocaching state than Arizona? I would like > to challenge Arizona to become the best geocaching > state in the USA). > > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 19:20:44 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ed Philpott) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:20:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? In-Reply-To: <20030909190218.48684.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C376CC.CAB56F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe we're a quality state not a quantity state -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Ken Akerman Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:02 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week. There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven days. There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of Arizona. There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim. Don't complain about the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and Prescott than it is in Phoenix. Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity? Utah has less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches. We really should have more caches than our neighboring state to the north. (This has always irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona. Why should Utah be a better geocaching state than Arizona? I would like to challenge Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA). Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C376CC.CAB56F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Maybe=20 we're a quality state not a quantity state
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = Ken=20 Akerman
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:02 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very = few new=20 caches lately in Arizona?

I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that = there is=20 very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past = week.  =20 There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, = while=20 in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven = days.
 
There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations = of=20 Arizona.  There are still many regions of the state of Arizona = that don't=20 have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them = this=20 weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim.  Don't complain about = the=20 heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two hours = away=20 and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and Prescott = than it=20 is in Phoenix.
 
Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache = activity?  Utah=20 has less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 = caches as of=20 today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches.  We really should have = more caches=20 than our neighboring state to the north.  (This has always = irritated me=20 that Utah has more caches than Arizona.  Why should Utah be a = better=20 geocaching state than Arizona?  I would like to challenge Arizona = to=20 become the best geocaching state in the USA).
 
Ken (a.k.a.=20 Highpointer)
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C376CC.CAB56F80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 19:30:35 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:30:35 -0700 Subject: [RE: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] Message-ID: <210HiiTEj1824S07.1063135835@uwdvg007.cms.usa.net> We've stopped at many Utah caches on vacation. Our caches are definately a higher quality. "Ed Philpott" wrote: > Maybe we're a quality state not a quantity state > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Ken > Akerman > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:02 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? > > > I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there is > very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week. There have > been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, while in Utah > there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven days. > > There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of > Arizona. There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that don't > have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them this > weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim. Don't complain about the heat > in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two hours away and > the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and Prescott than it is > in Phoenix. > > Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity? Utah has > less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as of > today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches. We really should have more caches > than our neighboring state to the north. (This has always irritated me that > Utah has more caches than Arizona. Why should Utah be a better geocaching > state than Arizona? I would like to challenge Arizona to become the best > geocaching state in the USA). > > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 20:11:44 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:11:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? Message-ID: <20030909131146.8670.h004.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Here's a thought: I speculate that it may be because of the much higher percentage of Mormons in Utah, who traditionally do alot together as a family, and geocaching is a perfect family activity. Along those same lines, maybe the UTAH cachers feel the obligation to HIDE more caches as they find more. I have no stats or anything to back that statement up, it is just an opinion/observation. However, I still think that there are quite a few cachers in AZ, and Phoenix in particular, who don't do their "share" (however you want to define that) of hiding caches. Hundreds of finds and only a handful of hides = not as many caches as .... Utah! If you dislike the message, please don't harrass the messenger, Y'all know it's true! I do like quality over quantity, however, after my most recent caching "expedition", I'd rather find less in better locations. Just my 1/2 baht, Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Ken Akerman wrote: I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week.   There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven days.   There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of Arizona.  There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim.  Don't complain about the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and Prescott than it is in Phoenix.   Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity?  Utah has less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches.  We really should have more caches than our neighboring state to the north.  (This has always irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona.  Why should Utah be a better geocaching state than Arizona?  I would like to challenge Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA).   Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 20:16:48 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030909201648.24831.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1446728058-1063138608=:24131 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yea, great. Just what we need. Like we don't have enough problems with cache pirates and muggles. Lets turn this into a state rivalry now. This shouldn't be a "Us against Them" thing, come on already. Ed Philpott wrote: Maybe we're a quality state not a quantity state -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Ken Akerman Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:02 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week. There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven days. There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of Arizona. There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim. Don't complain about the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and Prescott than it is in Phoenix. Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity? Utah has less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches. We really should have more caches than our neighboring state to the north. (This has always irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona. Why should Utah be a better geocaching state than Arizona? I would like to challenge Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA). Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1446728058-1063138608=:24131 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Yea, great. Just what we need. Like we don't have enough problems with cache pirates and muggles. Lets turn this into a state rivalry now.
This shouldn't be a "Us against Them" thing, come on already.

Ed Philpott <ephilpott@tbirdfurniture.com> wrote:
Maybe we're a quality state not a quantity state
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From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Ken Akerman
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:02 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?

I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week.   There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven days.
 
There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of Arizona.  There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim.  Don't complain about the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and Prescott than it is in Phoenix.
 
Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity?  Utah has less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches.  We really should have more caches than our neighboring state to the north.  (This has always irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona.  Why should Utah be a better geocaching state than Arizona?  I would like to challenge Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA).
 
Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1446728058-1063138608=:24131-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 20:22:50 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:22:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? Message-ID: <20030909132302.10984.h004.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> OK, not to belabor my point (but I guess this will) I just checked the AZ caching stats. Of the top 25 teams, all with over 350 finds, just over half have hidden LESS THAN 10 caches. I'm not picking on anybody in particular, but maybe if those who are benefitting the most (most finds) would step up and put out a few more caches (no more excuses! you have over 350 finds!) then it would make Ken happier....? Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Ken Akerman wrote: I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week.   There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven days.   There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of Arizona.  There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim.  Don't complain about the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and Prescott than it is in Phoenix.   Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity?  Utah has less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches.  We really should have more caches than our neighboring state to the north.  (This has always irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona.  Why should Utah be a better geocaching state than Arizona?  I would like to challenge Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA).   Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 20:23:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Henson) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:23:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? In-Reply-To: <20030909190218.48684.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76B06DDA-E303-11D7-A72F-000393A13A32@cableone.net> On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 12:02 PM, Ken Akerman wrote: > Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity?  Utah has > less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as > of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches.  We really should have more > caches than our neighboring state to the north.  (This has always > irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona.  Why should Utah > be a better geocaching state than Arizona?  I would like to challenge > Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA). Everyone has their own opinion, but mine is that more is not better. I really do not care what cachers in Utah are doing. Many are folks are into numbers, and others do not look at them, or care. I was going to put out another cache in the Prescott area, but will have to wait... do not want to be part of your challenge. ;-) ~ Lincoln (aka - Ken Henson, Prescott, Arizona) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 20:32:57 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? In-Reply-To: <20030909190218.48684.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030909203257.4537.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1844362089-1063139577=:3180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From the forums http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=4416058331&m=82160838 I've been wondering why those who love member's only caches haven't hit this one. This guy seems to be taunting us with his remarks about Arizona cachers. Ken Akerman wrote: I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week. There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of Arizona. There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that don't have many caches. Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity? I would like to challenge Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA). --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1844362089-1063139577=:3180 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
 
I've been wondering why those who love member's only caches haven't hit this one. This guy seems to be taunting us with his remarks about Arizona cachers.

Ken Akerman <ken@highpointer.com> wrote:
I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week.  
 
There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of Arizona.  There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that don't have many caches. 
 
Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity? I would like to challenge Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA).

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1844362089-1063139577=:3180-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 20:34:21 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:34:21 -0700 Subject: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] Message-ID: <012HiiuIV7024S17.1063139661@uwdvg017.cms.usa.net> Would they have to be member only caches to make Ken happy? (Just joking, couldn't resist). "Trisha" wrote: > OK, not to belabor my point (but I guess this will) I just checked the > AZ caching stats. Of the top 25 teams, all with over 350 finds, just > over half have hidden LESS THAN 10 caches. I'm not picking on anybody > in particular, but maybe if those who are benefitting the most (most > finds) would step up and put out a few more caches (no more excuses! > you have over 350 finds!) then it would make Ken happier....? > Trisha "Lightning" > Prescott > > > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Ken Akerman wrote: > > I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there > is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week.   > There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, > while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven > days. >   > There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of > Arizona.  There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that > don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them > this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim.  Don't complain about > the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two > hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and > Prescott than it is in Phoenix. >   > Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity?  Utah has > less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as > of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches.  We really should have more > caches than our neighboring state to the north.  (This has always > irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona.  Why should Utah > be a better geocaching state than Arizona?  I would like to challenge > Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA). >   > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 20:35:39 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 16:35:39 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? Message-ID: <29BF95ED.00FFA10A.0013DAD2@aol.com> BUdcam pleads guilty as charged! In a message dated 9/9/2003 4:11:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, trisha@brasher.com writes: > > However, I still think that there are quite a few cachers in AZ, and > Phoenix in particular, who don't do their "share" (however you want to > define that) of hiding caches. Hundreds of finds and only a handful of > hides = not as many caches as .... Utah! > > Trisha "Lightning" > Prescott > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 20:45:45 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:45:45 -0700 Subject: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] Message-ID: <191Hiiutt0720S03.1063140345@uwdvg003.cms.usa.net> If every team with 100 or more finds were to place 1% of their finds, there would be more caches than Circle K's and Walgreens combined here in Phoenix. "Trisha" wrote: > OK, not to belabor my point (but I guess this will) I just checked the > AZ caching stats. Of the top 25 teams, all with over 350 finds, just > over half have hidden LESS THAN 10 caches. I'm not picking on anybody > in particular, but maybe if those who are benefitting the most (most > finds) would step up and put out a few more caches (no more excuses! > you have over 350 finds!) then it would make Ken happier....? > Trisha "Lightning" > Prescott > > > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Ken Akerman wrote: > > I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there > is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week.   > There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, > while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven > days. >   > There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of > Arizona.  There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that > don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them > this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim.  Don't complain about > the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two > hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and > Prescott than it is in Phoenix. >   > Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity?  Utah has > less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as > of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches.  We really should have more > caches than our neighboring state to the north.  (This has always > irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona.  Why should Utah > be a better geocaching state than Arizona?  I would like to challenge > Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA). >   > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 20:57:10 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:57:10 -0700 Subject: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] In-Reply-To: <191Hiiutt0720S03.1063140345@uwdvg003.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: <00cc01c37714$f0657ca0$6601a8c0@qwest.net> That's it, Mark! You're a genius!! A cache on every corner. That would definitely make us better than Utah. LOL -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Mark Heitowit Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:46 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] If every team with 100 or more finds were to place 1% of their finds, there would be more caches than Circle K's and Walgreens combined here in Phoenix. "Trisha" wrote: > OK, not to belabor my point (but I guess this will) I just checked the > AZ caching stats. Of the top 25 teams, all with over 350 finds, just > over half have hidden LESS THAN 10 caches. I'm not picking on anybody > in particular, but maybe if those who are benefitting the most (most > finds) would step up and put out a few more caches (no more excuses! > you have over 350 finds!) then it would make Ken happier....? Trisha > "Lightning" Prescott > > > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Ken Akerman wrote: > > I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there > is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week. > There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, > while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven > days. >   > There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of > Arizona.  There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that > don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them > this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim.  Don't complain about > the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two > hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and > Prescott than it is in Phoenix. >   > Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity?  Utah has > less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as > of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches.  We really should have more > caches than our neighboring state to the north.  (This has always > irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona.  Why should Utah > be a better geocaching state than Arizona?  I would like to challenge > Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA). >   > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 21:05:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:05:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] Message-ID: <20030909140609.25858.h003.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I frankly have no idea what would make Ken (HP, not you Lincoln) HappY, notice I said happIER.... lol (just kidding) Trisha On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:34:21 -0700, Mark Heitowit wrote: > > Would they have to be member only caches to make Ken happy? (Just > joking, > couldn't resist). > > "Trisha" wrote: > > > OK, not to belabor my point (but I guess this will) I just checked > the > > AZ caching stats. Of the top 25 teams, all with over 350 finds, just > > over half have hidden LESS THAN 10 caches. I'm not picking on anybody > > in particular, but maybe if those who are benefitting the most (most > > finds) would step up and put out a few more caches (no more excuses! > > you have over 350 finds!) then it would make Ken happier....? > > Trisha "Lightning" > > Prescott > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Ken Akerman wrote: > > > > I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that > there > > is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week.   > > There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. > 2, > > while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past > seven > > days. > >   > > There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of > > Arizona.  There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that > > don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide > them > > this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim.  Don't complain > about > > the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two > > hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson > and > > Prescott than it is in Phoenix. > >   > > Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity?  Utah > has > > less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches > as > > of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches.  We really should have more > > caches than our neighboring state to the north.  (This has always > > irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona.  Why should Utah > > be a better geocaching state than Arizona?  I would like to challenge > > Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA). > >   > > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 21:11:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:11:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? Message-ID: <20030909141101.1850.h003.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Hey BudCam, I love it! (your good attitude) Trisha Hey, I just read the forum reference Gale sent from the guy up north who put a member's only cache in Sedona...GEEZ...I might go after it (after all I AM a "Member"!! ha ha) BUT,,,, I'm not up for hike like that. And he put out a "Ziplock" container so we ALL know that will be disintegrated soon! Challenged and "taunted" by some guy who thinks he's so great 'cause no AZ cacher has found his plastic Members-only cache on top of a red rock in TWO weeks??? NAH! Trisha On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 16:35:39 -0400, BBUDCAM@aol.com wrote: > > > BUdcam pleads guilty as charged! > > > In a message dated 9/9/2003 4:11:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > trisha@brasher.com writes: > > > > > > However, I still think that there are quite a few cachers in AZ, and > > Phoenix in particular, who don't do their "share" (however you want > to > > define that) of hiding caches. Hundreds of finds and only a handful > of > > hides = not as many caches as .... Utah! > > > > > Trisha "Lightning" > > Prescott > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 21:12:41 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:12:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? In-Reply-To: <20030909203257.4537.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000201c37717$1b564e60$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C376DC.6EF77660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale Draper Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:33 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? =20 >From the forums http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=3Dtpc &s=3D5726007311&f=3D4416058331&m=3D82160838 =20 I've been wondering why those who love member's only caches haven't hit = this one. This guy seems to be taunting us with his remarks about Arizona cachers. =20 And *I'M* wondering how this "vacation cache" even got approved? = Perhaps MOCs are exempt from the "vacation cache" rule? =20 Steve Team Tierra Buena=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C376DC.6EF77660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale = Draper
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:33 PM
To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: = [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?

 

 

I've been wondering why those who love = member's only caches haven't hit this one. This guy seems to be taunting us with his = remarks about Arizona cachers.

 

And *I’M*  wondering how this “vacation cache” even got approved? Perhaps MOCs are exempt from the “vacation cache” = rule?

 

Steve

Team Tierra Buena =

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C376DC.6EF77660-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 21:13:21 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:13:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] Message-ID: <20030909141322.27488.h003.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> And the problem is...? Hey, aren't there already more caches than Circle K's and Walgreen's combined in the Phx Metro area?? It's the pretty, beautiful, cooler RURAL area that needs more caches, right Ken? (ha ha) Trisha On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:45:45 -0700, Mark Heitowit wrote: > > If every team with 100 or more finds were to place 1% of their finds, > there > would be more caches than Circle K's and Walgreens combined here in > Phoenix. > > "Trisha" wrote: > > > OK, not to belabor my point (but I guess this will) I just checked > the > > AZ caching stats. Of the top 25 teams, all with over 350 finds, just > > over half have hidden LESS THAN 10 caches. I'm not picking on anybody > > in particular, but maybe if those who are benefitting the most (most > > finds) would step up and put out a few more caches (no more excuses! > > you have over 350 finds!) then it would make Ken happier....? > > Trisha "Lightning" > > Prescott > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Ken Akerman wrote: > > > > I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that > there > > is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week.   > > There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. > 2, > > while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past > seven > > days. > >   > > There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of > > Arizona.  There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that > > don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide > them > > this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim.  Don't complain > about > > the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two > > hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson > and > > Prescott than it is in Phoenix. > >   > > Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity?  Utah > has > > less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches > as > > of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches.  We really should have more > > caches than our neighboring state to the north.  (This has always > > irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona.  Why should Utah > > be a better geocaching state than Arizona?  I would like to challenge > > Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA). > >   > > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 21:17:41 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:17:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? In-Reply-To: <20030909141101.1850.h003.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Trisha wrote: > Challenged and "taunted" by some guy who thinks he's so great 'cause > no AZ cacher has found his plastic Members-only cache on top of a red > rock in TWO weeks??? NAH! That and he apparently placed the cache while visiting Arizona from his home in the Northwest, presumably while on Vacation - last time I checked, Vacation caches are verbotten..... Jim. Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 21:19:34 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:19:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------=_NextPartTM-000-d7846f9b-eacd-4997-abaf-806874974e20 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C37718.113DD050" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37718.113DD050 Content-Type: text/plain Ok I know I have been out of it for a while, but what is a vacation cache? and what are the rules that go along with it? Denny Tres Hombres -----Original Message----- From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:TeamTierraBuena@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:13 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale Draper Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:33 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? >From the forums http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc &s=5726007311&f=4416058331&m=82160838 I've been wondering why those who love member's only caches haven't hit this one. This guy seems to be taunting us with his remarks about Arizona cachers. And *I'M* wondering how this "vacation cache" even got approved? Perhaps MOCs are exempt from the "vacation cache" rule? Steve Team Tierra Buena ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37718.113DD050 Content-Type: text/html
Ok I know I have been out of it for a while,
but what is a vacation cache?
and what are the rules that go along with it?
 
Denny
Tres Hombres
-----Original Message-----
From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:TeamTierraBuena@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:13 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale Draper
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:33 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?

 

 

I've been wondering why those who love member's only caches haven't hit this one. This guy seems to be taunting us with his remarks about Arizona cachers.

 

And *I’M*  wondering how this “vacation cache” even got approved? Perhaps MOCs are exempt from the “vacation cache” rule?

 

Steve

Team Tierra Buena

------_=_NextPart_001_01C37718.113DD050-- ------=_NextPartTM-000-d7846f9b-eacd-4997-abaf-806874974e20-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 21:21:35 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:21:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? In-Reply-To: <000201c37717$1b564e60$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Team Tierra Buena wrote: > And *I'M* wondering how this "vacation cache" even got approved? Perhaps > MOCs are exempt from the "vacation cache" rule? Hehe - looks like we were thinking along the same lines, but you beat me to it.... Jim. Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 21:23:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? In-Reply-To: <000201c37717$1b564e60$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <20030909212316.62653.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2033946176-1063142596=:62535 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii He owns quite a few AZ caches. He said something about his mom or MIL living here. Team Tierra Buena wrote: -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale Draper Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:33 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? >From the forums http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=4416058331&m=82160838 I've been wondering why those who love member's only caches haven't hit this one. This guy seems to be taunting us with his remarks about Arizona cachers. And *I’M* wondering how this “vacation cache” even got approved? Perhaps MOCs are exempt from the “vacation cache” rule? Steve Team Tierra Buena Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-2033946176-1063142596=:62535 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
He owns quite a few AZ caches. He said something about his mom or MIL living here.

Team Tierra Buena <TeamTierraBuena@earthlink.net> wrote:

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale Draper
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:33 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why ve ry few new caches lately in Arizona?

 

 

I've been wondering why those who love member's only caches haven't hit this one. This guy seems to be taunting us with his remarks about Arizona cachers.

 

And *I’M*  wondering how this “vacation cache” even got approved? Perhaps MOCs are exempt from the “vacation cache” rule?

 

Steve

Team Tierra Buena



Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-2033946176-1063142596=:62535-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 21:29:09 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:29:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? In-Reply-To: <20030909212316.62653.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c37719$6aac4b70$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C376DE.BE4D7370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 He owns quite a few AZ caches. He said something about his mom or MIL = living here. =20 Unless all his other AZ caches have been archived, this appears to be = the only one he's hidden here. Plus, he's been an active cacher for over a = year, and his first AZ find was less than a month ago. =20 Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C376DE.BE4D7370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

He owns quite a few AZ caches. He said = something about his mom or MIL living here.

 

Unless all his other AZ caches have = been archived, this appears to be the only one he’s hidden here. Plus, = he’s been an active cacher for over a year, and his first AZ find was less = than a month ago.

 

Steve

Team Tierra Buena

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C376DE.BE4D7370-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 21:29:34 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030909212934.55221.qmail@web14809.mail.yahoo.com> --0-199134345-1063142974=:55219 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From the guidelines page: Placing Caches on Vacation Placing caches on vacation is unacceptable and these caches will not be approved on the web site. As the cache owner you are obligated to be in a position to manage your caches, and caches placed on vacation require someone else to maintain them for you. Please be responsible. "Ford, Denny" wrote: @font-face { font-family: Tahoma;}@page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; }P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial}DIV.Section1 { page: Section1}Ok I know I have been out of it for a while, but what is a vacation cache? and what are the rules that go along with it? Denny Tres Hombres -----Original Message----- From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:TeamTierraBuena@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:13 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale Draper Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:33 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? >From the forums http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=4416058331&m=82160838 I've been wondering why those who love member's only caches haven't hit this one. This guy seems to be taunting us with his remarks about Arizona cachers. And *I’M* wondering how this “vacation cache” even got approved? Perhaps MOCs are exempt from the “vacation cache” rule? Steve Team Tierra Buena Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-199134345-1063142974=:55219 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
From the guidelines page:
 

Placing Caches on Vacation

Placing caches on vacation is unacceptable and these caches will not be approved on the web site. As the cache owner you are obligated to be in a position to manage your caches, and caches placed on vacation require someone else to maintain them for you. Please be responsible.


"Ford, Denny" <denny.ford6@honeywell.com> wrote:
Ok I know I have been out of it for a while,
but what is a vacation cache?
and what are the rules that go along with it?
 
Denny
Tres Hombres
-----Original Message-----
From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:TeamTierraBuena@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:13 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale Draper
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:33 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why ve ry few new caches lately in Arizona?

 

 

I've been wondering why those who love member's only caches haven't hit this one. This guy seems to be taunting us with his remarks about Arizona cachers.

 

And *I’M*  wondering how this “vacation cache” even got approved? Perhaps MOCs are exempt from the “vacation cache” rule?

 

Steve

Team Tierra Buena



Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-199134345-1063142974=:55219-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 21:34:33 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:34:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? Message-ID: <20030909143434.511.h005.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Someone already challenged him on that one...I think he said his mom lives in Sedona and hikes that area all the time and is maintaining the cache...uh huh! Trisha On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:17:41 -0700 (MST), Jim Scotti wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Trisha wrote: > > > Challenged and "taunted" by some guy who thinks he's so great 'cause > > no AZ cacher has found his plastic Members-only cache on top of a red > > rock in TWO weeks??? NAH! > > That and he apparently placed the cache while visiting Arizona from > his home > in the Northwest, presumably while on Vacation - last time I checked, > Vacation caches are verbotten..... > > Jim. > > Jim Scotti > Lunar & Planetary Laboratory > University of Arizona > Tucson, AZ 85721 USA > http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 21:36:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:36:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? Message-ID: <20030909143623.24181.h005.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Welcome back, Denny! How are ya? Trisha On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:19:34 -0700, "Ford, Denny" wrote: @font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } Ok I know I have been out of it for a while, but what is a vacation cache? and what are the rules that go along with it?   Denny Tres Hombres -----Original Message-----From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:TeamTierraBuena@earthlink.net]Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:13 PMTo: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?     -----Original Message-----From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale DraperSent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:33 PMTo: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?   From the forums http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=4416058331&m=82160838   I've been wondering why those who love member's only caches haven't hit this one. This guy seems to be taunting us with his remarks about Arizona cachers.   And *I’M*  wondering how this “vacation cache” even got approved? Perhaps MOCs are exempt from the “vacation cache” rule?   Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 21:41:23 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:41:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? Message-ID: <20030909144125.1936.h005.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> So, I vote that we BOYCOTT this MO cache that nobody has been to in the horrendously long time of 2 weeks....since he is whining anyway and that is SO annoying!! ha ha ha.... Teach that know-it-all NW'er a lesson, HUH? geez, what are we all doing on line in the afternoon? Do we all NOT work, even AT work?? Geez #2 I sure hope everybody else is in a good mood and joking around like I am! Trisha (no, I don't work, and my daughter had early release today from school...) On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:29:34 -0700 (PDT), Gale Draper wrote: >From the guidelines page:   Placing Caches on Vacation Placing caches on vacation is unacceptable and these caches will not be approved on the web site. As the cache owner you are obligated to be in a position to manage your caches, and caches placed on vacation require someone else to maintain them for you. Please be responsible. "Ford, Denny" wrote: @font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } Ok I know I have been out of it for a while, but what is a vacation cache? and what are the rules that go along with it?   Denny Tres Hombres -----Original Message-----From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:TeamTierraBuena@earthlink.net]Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:13 PMTo: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?     -----Original Message-----From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale DraperSent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:33 PMTo: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why ve ry few new caches lately in Arizona?   >From the forums http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=4416058331&m=82160838   I've been wondering why those who love member's only caches haven't hit this one. This guy seems to be taunting us with his remarks about Arizona cachers.   And *I�M*  wondering how this �vacation cache� even got approved? Perhaps MOCs are exempt from the �vacation cache� rule?   Steve Team Tierra Buena Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"   Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 21:53:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Henson) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:53:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Placing Caches on Vacation Message-ID: <0977F3DB-E310-11D7-A72F-000393A13A32@cableone.net> --Apple-Mail-6--1062141023 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Begin forwarded message: > From: Ken Henson > Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 2:49:04 PM America/Phoenix > To: khenson@cableone.net > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in = Arizona? > > > On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 02:29 PM, Gale Draper wrote: > >> =46rom the guidelines page: >> =A0 >> Placing Caches on Vacation >> >> Placing caches on vacation is unacceptable and these caches will not=20= >> be approved on the web site. As the cache owner you are obligated to=20= >> be in a position to manage your caches, and caches placed on vacation=20= >> require someone else to maintain them for you. Please be responsible. >> > > hmmmmmmmm.......... seems I have several vacation caches? Guess they=20= > need to be eliminated? > > Straight South: > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=3D51340 > > The Book > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=3D49867 > > Off 190 > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=3D45762 When these are gone some folks are going to miss some neat sights. Oh=20= well, rules are rules... - Ken Henson, Prescott, AZ --Apple-Mail-6--1062141023 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Begin forwarded message: From: Ken Henson < Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 2:49:04 PM America/Phoenix To: khenson@cableone.net Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 02:29 PM, Gale Draper wrote: =46rom the guidelines page: =A0 Placing Caches on Vacation Placing caches on vacation is unacceptable and these caches will not be approved on the web site. As the cache owner you are obligated to be in a position to manage your caches, and caches placed on vacation require someone else to maintain them for you. Please be responsible. hmmmmmmmm.......... seems I have several vacation caches? Guess they need to be eliminated? Straight South: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=3D51340 The Book http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=3D49867 Off 190 http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=3D45762 When these are gone some folks are going to miss some neat sights. Oh well, rules are rules... - Ken Henson, Prescott, AZ --Apple-Mail-6--1062141023-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 21:59:34 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:59:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Placing Caches on Vacation Message-ID: <20030909145935.16747.h012.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Hey Ken, I wouldn't consider the two AZ caches "vacation" caches even tho' they aren't that close to home....it's still the same state, at least. The Calif one, well, I have no intelligent comment on that one...wait...come to think of it, I haven't had an intelligent comment today yet! :) Trisha Still in a rare good mood On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:53:24 -0700, Ken Henson wrote: > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Ken Henson > > Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 2:49:04 PM America/Phoenix > > To: khenson@cableone.net > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in > Arizona? > > > > > > On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 02:29 PM, Gale Draper wrote: > > > >> From the guidelines page: > >>   > >> Placing Caches on Vacation > >> > >> Placing caches on vacation is unacceptable and these caches will > not > >> be approved on the web site. As the cache owner you are obligated > to > >> be in a position to manage your caches, and caches placed on > vacation > >> require someone else to maintain them for you. Please be > responsible. > >> > > > > hmmmmmmmm.......... seems I have several vacation caches? Guess > they > > need to be eliminated? > > > > Straight South: > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=51340 > > > > The Book > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=49867 > > > > Off 190 > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=45762 > > When these are gone some folks are going to miss some neat sights. Oh > well, rules are rules... > > - Ken Henson, Prescott, AZ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 22:05:38 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:05:38 -0700 Subject: FW: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizon a?] Message-ID: Mark wrote If every team with 100 or more finds were to place 1% of their finds, there would be more caches than Circle K's and Walgreens combined here in Phoenix. With the 1% rule in place I guess the Tres Hombres are safe we are at 1.45% that is until I log all the ones I have done and not logged. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 22:15:55 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Placing Caches on Vacation In-Reply-To: <0977F3DB-E310-11D7-A72F-000393A13A32@cableone.net> Message-ID: <20030909221555.72820.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1026783382-1063145755=:72662 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well no, don't eliminate them. The old ones are grandfathered in since they were done before the rules change. Ken Henson wrote: Begin forwarded message: > From: Ken Henson > Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 2:49:04 PM America/Phoenix > To: khenson@cableone.net > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? > > > On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 02:29 PM, Gale Draper wrote: > >> From the guidelines page: >> >> Placing Caches on Vacation >> >> Placing caches on vacation is unacceptable and these caches will not >> be approved on the web site. As the cache owner you are obligated to >> be in a position to manage your caches, and caches placed on vacation >> require someone else to maintain them for you. Please be responsible. >> > > hmmmmmmmm.......... seems I have several vacation caches? Guess they > need to be eliminated? > > Straight South: > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=51340 > > The Book > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=49867 > > Off 190 > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=45762 When these are gone some folks are going to miss some neat sights. Oh well, rules are rules... - Ken Henson, Prescott, AZ Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Well no, don't eliminate them. The old ones are grandfathered in since they were done before the rules change.

Ken Henson <khenson@cableone.net> wrote:


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Ken Henson
> Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 2:49:04 PM America/Phoenix
> To: khenson@cableone.net
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 02:29 PM, Gale Draper wrote:
>
>> From the guidelines page:
>>  
>> Placing Caches on Vacation
>>
>> Placing caches on vacation is unacceptable and these caches will not
>> be approved on the web site. As the cache owner you are obligated to
>> be in a position to manage your caches, and caches placed on vacation
>> require someone else to maintain them for you. Please be responsible.
>>
>
> hmmmmmmmm.......... seems I have several vacation caches? Guess they
& gt; need to be eliminated?
>
> Straight South:
> http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=51340
>
> The Book
> http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=49867
>
> Off 190
> http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=45762

When these are gone some folks are going to miss some neat sights. Oh
well, rules are rules...

- Ken Henson, Prescott, AZ


Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1026783382-1063145755=:72662-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 22:23:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? In-Reply-To: <20030909144125.1936.h005.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <20030909222351.56760.qmail@web14811.mail.yahoo.com> --0-637248591-1063146231=:56311 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Boycott wouldn't quite work Trisha since Makaio will make this cache a priority when he moves down here. Perhaps when people make their virtual log entry, they can just put "TNLNSL". If only his attitude had been a little less condescending....... Good mood? The weather is cooling down. More comfortable caching is in the near future. How can I not be in a good mood. Trisha wrote: So, I vote that we BOYCOTT this MO cache that nobody has been to in the horrendously long time of 2 weeks....since he is whining anyway and that is SO annoying!! ha ha ha.... Teach that know-it-all NW'er a lesson, HUH? Geez #2 I sure hope everybody else is in a good mood and joking around like I am! Trisha --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-637248591-1063146231=:56311 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Boycott wouldn't quite work Trisha since Makaio will make this cache a priority when he moves down here. Perhaps when people make their virtual log entry, they can just put "TNLNSL".
 
If only his attitude had been a little less condescending.......
 
Good mood? The weather is cooling down. More comfortable caching is in the near future. How can I not be in a good mood.

Trisha <trisha@brasher.com> wrote:
So, I vote that we BOYCOTT this MO cache that nobody has been to in
the horrendously long time of 2 weeks....since he is whining anyway
and that is SO annoying!! ha ha ha....
Teach that know-it-all NW'er a lesson, HUH?
Geez #2 I sure hope everybody else is in a good mood and joking around
like I am!

Trisha

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-637248591-1063146231=:56311-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 22:29:18 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:29:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Placing Caches on Vacation In-Reply-To: <20030909145935.16747.h012.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: Given Gale's note that the MO guy spends significant time in AZ, I take back my criticism of him. If you spend enough time in the area, I think you can maintain caches in the area. I was thinking about placing some physical caches up near Flagstaff when we were there at the beginning of summer, but the opportunity didn't quite materialize and I was having second thoughts anyway because we don't get up to the Flagstaff area often enough to probably support such a cache (though the area I had in mind was remote enough that the rate of visits would be low and an annual visit might have been sufficient combined with watching the logs). I also think there are conditions where the Vacation cache rule can be stretched, for example the caches down in Antarctica. I think if Ken can attend to the cache in a reasonable time, then there's no reason to call the caches he's concerned with "vacation caches".... It seems like Vacation caches are the ones you might think of placing while on a perhaps once-in-a-lifetime trip to Hawaii or Bermuda or wherever and you may not ever get back to such a location. In that case, the cache can be considered as "abandoned" rather than "placed" if you have no intention to return to it..... Unfortunately there are some wonderful places that don't have any/many local geocachers to populate an area with physical caches. In those cases, virtual caches are quite appropriate. Instead of physical caches near Flagstaff at the start of summer, I had no trouble placing three virtual caches up there. Jim. On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Trisha wrote: > Hey Ken, > I wouldn't consider the two AZ caches "vacation" caches even tho' they > aren't that close to home....it's still the same state, at least. The > Calif one, well, I have no intelligent comment on that > one...wait...come to think of it, I haven't had an intelligent comment > today yet! :) > Trisha > Still in a rare good mood Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 22:36:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:36:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? Message-ID: <20030909153646.25445.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Well, I was just kidding anyway..... I agree with the attitude. I posted on the forum and he was still pretty confident and assuming until I "set him straight" (nicely) Trisha On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:23:51 -0700 (PDT), Gale Draper wrote: Boycott wouldn't quite work Trisha since Makaio will make this cache a priority when he moves down here. Perhaps when people make their virtual log entry, they can just put "TNLNSL".   If only his attitude had been a little less condescending.......   Good mood? The weather is cooling down. More comfortable caching is in the near future. How can I not be in a good mood.Trisha wrote: So, I vote that we BOYCOTT this MO cache that nobody has been to inthe horrendously long time of 2 weeks....since he is whining anywayand that is SO annoying!! ha ha ha....Teach that know-it-all NW'er a lesson, HUH?Geez #2 I sure hope everybody else is in a good mood and joking aroundlike I am!Trisha Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 00:18:04 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:18:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? References: <20030909190218.48684.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006901c37731$033df200$9745b1cf@d3l5d0> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C376F6.540EE300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been in Iowa, as usual for me, since middle June and am only now = turning my attention back to AZ. I'll be home in about two weeks and = just now looked at all the new caches that have been placed since I = left. I'm not arguing Highpointer's views, but we all should be happy we = live in such a cache rich area, no matter how it compares to elsewhere. = Here in rural Iowa there are no caches nearby that I haven't found long = ago. When the rare new one is placed within an hour drive it's pounced = on like a hungry cat on a can of tuna. =20 Jerry Offtrail ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ken Akerman=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:02 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there = is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week. = There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, = while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven = days. There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of = Arizona. There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that = don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them = this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim. Don't complain about = the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two = hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and = Prescott than it is in Phoenix. Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity? Utah has = less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as = of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches. We really should have more = caches than our neighboring state to the north. (This has always = irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona. Why should Utah be = a better geocaching state than Arizona? I would like to challenge = Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA). Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C376F6.540EE300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been in Iowa, as usual for me, since middle June and am = only now=20 turning my attention back to AZ.  I'll be home in about two weeks = and just=20 now looked at all the new caches that have been placed since I left. I'm = not=20 arguing Highpointer's views, but we all should be happy we live in such = a cache=20 rich area, no matter how it compares to elsewhere.  Here in rural = Iowa=20 there are no caches nearby that I haven't found long ago.  When the = rare=20 new one is placed within an hour drive it's pounced on like a hungry cat = on a=20 can of tuna. 
 
Jerry
Offtrail
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ken = Akerman=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, = 2003 12:02=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why = very few new=20 caches lately in Arizona?

I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that = there is=20 very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past = week.  =20 There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, = while=20 in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven = days.
 
There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations = of=20 Arizona.  There are still many regions of the state of Arizona = that don't=20 have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them = this=20 weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim.  Don't complain about = the=20 heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two hours = away=20 and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and Prescott = than it=20 is in Phoenix.
 
Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache = activity?  Utah=20 has less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 = caches as of=20 today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches.  We really should have = more caches=20 than our neighboring state to the north.  (This has always = irritated me=20 that Utah has more caches than Arizona.  Why should Utah be a = better=20 geocaching state than Arizona?  I would like to challenge Arizona = to=20 become the best geocaching state in the USA).
 
Ken (a.k.a.=20 Highpointer)
------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C376F6.540EE300-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 21:05:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:05:24 -0700 Subject: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizon a?] Message-ID: With the 1% rule in place I guess the Tres Hombres are safe we are at 1.45% that is until I log all the ones I have done and not logged. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Heitowit [mailto:mheitowit@usa.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:46 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] If every team with 100 or more finds were to place 1% of their finds, there would be more caches than Circle K's and Walgreens combined here in Phoenix. "Trisha" wrote: > OK, not to belabor my point (but I guess this will) I just checked the > AZ caching stats. Of the top 25 teams, all with over 350 finds, just > over half have hidden LESS THAN 10 caches. I'm not picking on anybody > in particular, but maybe if those who are benefitting the most (most > finds) would step up and put out a few more caches (no more excuses! > you have over 350 finds!) then it would make Ken happier....? > Trisha "Lightning" > Prescott > > > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Ken Akerman wrote: > > I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there > is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week. > There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, > while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven > days. > > There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of > Arizona. There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that > don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them > this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim. Don't complain about > the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two > hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and > Prescott than it is in Phoenix. > > Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity? Utah has > less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as > of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches. We really should have more > caches than our neighboring state to the north. (This has always > irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona. Why should Utah > be a better geocaching state than Arizona? I would like to challenge > Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA). > > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 23:23:46 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:23:46 -0700 Subject: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] References: Message-ID: <00b701c37729$6b8be2c0$ef0d4bab@fishkiller> a better idea let's all carpool with ken and place a cache under every park bench in Prescott!!!!!!!!!! Think people I rather have quality that quantity just placing a cache to get a find is not a reason to place a cache, I also feel that until you have found a minimum of 50 percent of the caches placed in the state, don't bemoan the point and waste your time which could be better spent on finding all those caches that people do place under a park bench and not say on top of a hill with a slight cave... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ford, Denny" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: RE: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] > With the 1% rule in place I guess the Tres Hombres are safe we are at 1.45% > that is until I log all the ones I have done and not logged. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Heitowit [mailto:mheitowit@usa.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:46 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in > Arizona?] > > > If every team with 100 or more finds were to place 1% of their finds, there > would be more caches than Circle K's and Walgreens combined here in Phoenix. > > "Trisha" wrote: > > > OK, not to belabor my point (but I guess this will) I just checked the > > AZ caching stats. Of the top 25 teams, all with over 350 finds, just > > over half have hidden LESS THAN 10 caches. I'm not picking on anybody > > in particular, but maybe if those who are benefitting the most (most > > finds) would step up and put out a few more caches (no more excuses! > > you have over 350 finds!) then it would make Ken happier....? > > Trisha "Lightning" > > Prescott > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Ken Akerman wrote: > > > > I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there > > is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week. > > There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, > > while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven > > days. > > > > There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of > > Arizona. There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that > > don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them > > this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim. Don't complain about > > the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two > > hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and > > Prescott than it is in Phoenix. > > > > Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity? Utah has > > less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as > > of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches. We really should have more > > caches than our neighboring state to the north. (This has always > > irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona. Why should Utah > > be a better geocaching state than Arizona? I would like to challenge > > Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA). > > > > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 23:26:52 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] In-Reply-To: <00b701c37729$6b8be2c0$ef0d4bab@fishkiller> Message-ID: <20030909232652.33108.qmail@web14803.mail.yahoo.com> --0-626580866-1063150012=:33086 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii PLace one at Gurley Street Grill and I'm there. Regan L Smith wrote:a better idea let's all carpool with ken and place a cache under every park bench in Prescott!!!!!!!!!! Think people I rather have quality that quantity just placing a cache to get a find is not a reason to place a cache, I also feel that until you have found a minimum of 50 percent of the caches placed in the state, don't bemoan the point and waste your time which could be better spent on finding all those caches that people do place under a park bench and not say on top of a hill with a slight cave... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ford, Denny" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: RE: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] > With the 1% rule in place I guess the Tres Hombres are safe we are at 1.45% > that is until I log all the ones I have done and not logged. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Heitowit [mailto:mheitowit@usa.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:46 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in > Arizona?] > > > If every team with 100 or more finds were to place 1% of their finds, there > would be more caches than Circle K's and Walgreens combined here in Phoenix. > > "Trisha" wrote: > > > OK, not to belabor my point (but I guess this will) I just checked the > > AZ caching stats. Of the top 25 teams, all with over 350 finds, just > > over half have hidden LESS THAN 10 caches. I'm not picking on anybody > > in particular, but maybe if those who are benefitting the most (most > > finds) would step up and put out a few more caches (no more excuses! > > you have over 350 finds!) then it would make Ken happier....? > > Trisha "Lightning" > > Prescott > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Ken Akerman wrote: > > > > I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there > > is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week. > > There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, > > while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven > > days. > > > > There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of > > Arizona. There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that > > don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them > > this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim. Don't complain about > > the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two > > hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and > > Prescott than it is in Phoenix. > > > > Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity? Utah has > > less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as > > of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches. We really should have more > > caches than our neighboring state to the north. (This has always > > irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona. Why should Utah > > be a better geocaching state than Arizona? I would like to challenge > > Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA). > > > > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-626580866-1063150012=:33086 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
PLace one at Gurley Street Grill and I'm there.

Regan L Smith <buggers@mindspring.com> wrote:
a better idea let's all carpool with ken and place a cache under every park
bench in Prescott!!!!!!!!!!



Think people I rather have quality that quantity just placing a cache to
get a find is not a reason to place a cache, I also feel that until you have
found a minimum of 50 percent of the caches placed in the state, don't
bemoan the point and waste your time which could be better spent on finding
all those caches that people do place under a park bench and not say on top
of a hill with a slight cave...




----- Original Message -----
From: "Ford, Denny"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:05 PM
Subject: RE: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in
Arizona?]


> With the 1% rule in place I guess the Tres Hombres are safe we are at
1.45%
> that is until I log all the ones I have done and not logged.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Heitowit [mailto:mheitowit@usa.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:46 PM
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in
> Arizona?]
>
>
> If every team with 100 or more finds were to place 1% of their finds,
there
> would be more caches than Circle K's and Walgreens combined here in
Phoenix.
>
> "Trisha" wrote:
>
> > OK, not to belabor my point (but I guess this will) I just checked the
> > AZ caching stats. Of the top 25 teams, all with over 350 finds, just
> > over half have hidden LESS THAN 10 caches. I'm not picking on anybody
> > in particular, but maybe if those who are benefitting the most (most
> > finds) would step up and put out a few more caches (no more excuses!
> > you have over 350 finds!) then it would make Ken happier....?
> > Trisha "Lightning"
> > Prescott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Ken Akerman wrote:
> >
> > I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there
> > is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week.
> > There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2,
> > while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven
> > days.
> >
> > There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of
> > Arizona. There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that
> > don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them
> > this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim. Don't complain about< BR>> > the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two
> > hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and
> > Prescott than it is in Phoenix.
> >
> > Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity? Utah has
> > less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as
> > of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches. We really should have more
> > caches than our neighboring state to the north. (This has always
> > irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona. Why should Utah
> > be a better geocaching state than Arizona? I would like to challenge
> > Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA).
> >
> > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)
> > ____________________________________________________________
> > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com
> > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:
> > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching
> >
> > Arizona's Geocaching Resource
> > http://www.azgeocaching.com
> >
>
>
>
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Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-626580866-1063150012=:33086-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 9 23:46:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:46:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gasoline in Payson about 30 cents per gallon cheaper than Phoenix References: <20030907224100.18587.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012401c3772c$931c2ef0$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0121_01C376F1.E6A58930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The way I see it, Arizona caches should be more QUALITY, not QUANTITY. = If you want me to slap an altoids tin under every = car/truck/van/bus/street light/park bench/tree/water fountain/planter, = then toss some funds my way and I'll be happy to oblige so we can dwarf = Utah by 1000 caches or so. It shouldn't be too hard to abide by the .1 = mile rule. Heck, I could probably squeeze 30 caches into Kiwanis Park = alone! A little levity never hurt anyone. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ken Akerman=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 3:41 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gasoline in Payson about 30 cents per gallon = cheaper than Phoenix If you want to get out of the heat and go geocaching in a cooler, = scenic area that is not far from the Phoenix area, I recommend traveling = up the Beeline Highway (SR 87) towards the Payson area. Payson is only = about 60 miles from Fountain Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa. There = are many caches near the Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and = Payson, the majority of them less than 1000 feet from a parking area and = accessible by 2WD vehicles. There are also more difficult caches if you = like longer hikes. =20 Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in caches near the Beeline = Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come and get these travel = bugs and move them around. Perhaps the best thing about geocaching in = the Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per gallon cheaper = there than in the Phoenix area. Azcachemeister and I paid $1.689 per = gallon to fill up my SUV prior to leaving Payson Saturday night. = Therefore, even if you don't visit many caches, you can at least save = some money on gasoline by filling up your vehicles' fuel tank prior to = leaving Payson. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) ------=_NextPart_000_0121_01C376F1.E6A58930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The way I see it, Arizona caches should = be more=20 QUALITY, not QUANTITY.  If you want me to slap an altoids tin under = every=20 car/truck/van/bus/street light/park bench/tree/water fountain/planter, = then toss=20 some funds my way and I'll be happy to oblige so we can dwarf Utah by = 1000=20 caches or so.  It shouldn't be too hard to abide by the .1 mile = rule. =20 Heck, I could probably squeeze 30 caches into Kiwanis Park = alone!
 
A little levity never hurt = anyone.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ken = Akerman=20
Sent: Sunday, September 07, = 2003 3:41=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = Gasoline in=20 Payson about 30 cents per gallon cheaper than Phoenix

If you want to get out of the heat and go geocaching in a cooler, = scenic=20 area that is not far from the Phoenix area, I recommend traveling up = the=20 Beeline Highway (SR 87) towards the Payson area.  Payson is only = about 60=20 miles from Fountain Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa.  There = are many=20 caches near the Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and Payson, the = majority of them less than 1000 feet from a parking area and = accessible by 2WD=20 vehicles.  There are also more difficult caches if you like = longer=20 hikes.  
 
Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in caches near the = Beeline=20 Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come and get these = travel bugs=20 and move them around.  Perhaps the best thing about geocaching in = the=20 Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per gallon cheaper = there than=20 in the Phoenix area.  Azcachemeister and I paid $1.689 per gallon = to fill=20 up my SUV prior to leaving Payson Saturday night.   = Therefore, even=20 if you don't visit many caches, you can at least save some money on = gasoline=20 by filling up your vehicles' fuel tank prior to leaving Payson.

Ken (a.k.a.=20 = Highpointer)
------=_NextPart_000_0121_01C376F1.E6A58930-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 00:54:30 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Kudos to Team 360 Message-ID: <20030910005430.52343.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2010387897-1063155270=:47700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii TEAM 360 has completed the placement of the ORIGINAL STASH TRIBUTE PLAQUE at the site of the first geocache in Oregon. Read the cooments on Groundspeak Forum under the category Kudos to Team 360. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-2010387897-1063155270=:47700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
TEAM 360 has completed the placement of the ORIGINAL STASH TRIBUTE PLAQUE at the site of the first geocache in Oregon.  Read the cooments on Groundspeak Forum under the category Kudos to Team 360.
 
Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)
--0-2010387897-1063155270=:47700-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 00:59:32 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:59:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] Message-ID: <20030909175936.17780.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Better watch out, Gale, I amy take you up on that one! Trisha On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:26:52 -0700 (PDT), Gale Draper wrote: PLace one at Gurley Street Grill and I'm there.Regan L Smith wrote: a better idea let's all carpool with ken and place a cache under every parkbench in Prescott!!!!!!!!!!Think people I rather have quality that quantity just placing a cache toget a find is not a reason to place a cache, I also feel that until you havefound a minimum of 50 percent of the caches placed in the state, don'tbemoan the point and waste your time which could be better spent on findingall those caches that people do place under a park bench and not say on topof a hill with a slight cave...----- Original Message ----- From: "Ford, Denny" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:05 PMSubject: RE: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately inArizona?]> With the 1% rule in place I guess the Tres Hombres are safe we are at1.45%> that is until I log all the ones I have done and not logged.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Heitowit [mailto:mheitowit@usa.net]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:46 PM> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com> Subject: Re: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in> Arizona?]>>> If every team with 100 or more finds were to place 1% of their finds,there> would be more caches than Circle K's and Walgreens combined here inPhoenix.>> "Trisha" wrote:>> > OK, not to belabor my point (but I guess this will) I just checked the> > AZ caching stats. Of the top 25 teams, all with over 350 finds, just> > over half have hidden LESS THAN 10 caches. I'm not picking on anybody> > in particular, but maybe if those who are benefitting the most (most> > finds) would step up and put out a few more caches (no more excuses!> > you have over 350 finds!) then it would make Ken happier....?> > Trisha "Lightning"> > Prescott> >> >> >> >> > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Ken Akerman wrote:> >> > I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there> > is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week.> > There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2,> > while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven> > days.> >> > There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of> > Arizona. There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that> > don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them> > this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim. Don't complain about> > the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two> > hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and> > Prescott than it is in Phoenix.> >> > Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity? Utah has> > less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as> > of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches. We really should have more> > caches than our neighboring state to the north. (This has always> > irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona. Why should Utah> > be a better geocaching state than Arizona? I would like to challenge> > Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA).> >> > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)> > ____________________________________________________________> > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com> > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:> > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching> >> > Arizona's Geocaching Resource> > http://www.azgeocaching.com> >>>>> ____________________________________________________________> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching>> Arizona's Geocaching Resource> http://www.azgeocaching.com> ____________________________________________________________> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching>> Arizona's Geocaching Resource> http://www.azgeocaching.com____________________________________________________________Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.comTo edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocachingArizona's Geocaching Resourcehttp://www.azgeocaching.com Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking   Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"   Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 01:11:45 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 18:11:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] rant....? Message-ID: <20030909181150.19486.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Well, Brian, (heh heh you opened yourself up for this one, dear....) maybe you could put a little more thought into the hides, instead of just slapping it under a bench, and we'd all have a few more "quality" caches to go after. I mean, with 464 finds, (and 6 hides, ahem ) certainly you've seen a few good ideas you could pattern them after.... The point I have always been harping on is well known and logical: if people didn't HIDE caches, then all you guys with the high numbers would never had a chance to get those high numbers. There would have been no caches to go find and rack up. DUH! Is this really that difficult to see? I agree, Quality is good....I prefer "quality" esp after a couple not-so-quality locations I jsut did in Wickenburg recently--- and I didn't mean to harp on you, Brian....just using you as an example since you fall into my earlier "category" of a top-25'er with less than 10 hides (I picked that number arbitrarily)....and obviously if you do the math on "hide 1% of your finds" that doesn't give many caches to find either. The principle of fairness --- if you participate by finding caches that others have placed for you and others....then reciprocate by putting out some "quality" caches for others to find....that seems reasonable, doesn't it? Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:46:22 -0700, "Brian Casteel" wrote: The way I see it, Arizona caches should be more QUALITY, not QUANTITY.  If you want me to slap an altoids tin under every car/truck/van/bus/street light/park bench/tree/water fountain/planter, then toss some funds my way and I'll be happy to oblige so we can dwarf Utah by 1000 caches or so.  It shouldn't be too hard to abide by the .1 mile rule.  Heck, I could probably squeeze 30 caches into Kiwanis Park alone!   A little levity never hurt anyone.   BrianTeam A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Akerman To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 3:41 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gasoline in Payson about 30 cents per gallon cheaper than Phoenix If you want to get out of the heat and go geocaching in a cooler, scenic area that is not far from the Phoenix area, I recommend traveling up the Beeline Highway (SR 87) towards the Payson area.  Payson is only about 60 miles from Fountain Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa.  There are many caches near the Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and Payson, the majority of them less than 1000 feet from a parking area and accessible by 2WD vehicles.  There are also more difficult caches if you like longer hikes.     Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in caches near the Beeline Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come and get these travel bugs and move them around.  Perhaps the best thing about geocaching in the Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per gallon cheaper there than in the Phoenix area.  Azcachemeister and I paid $1.689 per gallon to fill up my SUV prior to leaving Payson Saturday night.   Therefore, even if you don't visit many caches, you can at least save some money on gasoline by filling up your vehicles' fuel tank prior to leaving Payson. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 01:28:33 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mimi Philpott) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:28:33 -0700 Subject: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] In-Reply-To: <20030909232652.33108.qmail@web14803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C37700.2CC32E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit or Murphey's -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Gale Draper Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:27 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] PLace one at Gurley Street Grill and I'm there. Regan L Smith wrote: a better idea let's all carpool with ken and place a cache under every park bench in Prescott!!!!!!!!!! Think people I rather have quality that quantity just placing a cache to get a find is not a reason to place a cache, I also feel that until you have found a minimum of 50 percent of the caches placed in the state, don't bemoan the point and waste your time which could be better spent on finding all those caches that people do place under a park bench and not say on top of a hill with a slight cave... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ford, Denny" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: RE: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] > With the 1% rule in place I guess the Tres Hombres are safe we are at 1.45% > that is until I log all the ones I have done and not logged. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Heitowit [mailto:mheitowit@usa.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:46 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in > Arizona?] > > > If every team with 100 or more finds were to place 1% of their finds, there > would be more caches than Circle K's and Walgreens combined here in Phoenix. > > "Trisha" wrote: > > > OK, not to belabor my point (but I guess this will) I just checked the > > AZ caching stats. Of the top 25 teams, all with over 350 finds, just > > over half have hidden LESS THAN 10 caches. I'm not picking on anybody > > in particular, but maybe if those who are benefitting the most (most > > finds) would step up and put out a few more caches (no more excuses! > > you have over 350 finds!) then it would make Ken happier....? > > Trisha "Lightning" > > Prescott > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Ken Akerman wrote: > > > > I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there > > is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week. > > There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2, > > while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven > > days. > > > > There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of > > Arizona. There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that > > don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them > > this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim. Don't complain about< BR>> > the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two > > hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and > > Prescott than it is in Phoenix. > > > > Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity? Utah has > > less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as > > of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches. We really should have more > > caches than our neighboring state to the north. (This has always > > irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona. Why should Utah > > be a better geocaching state than Arizona? I would like to challenge > > Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA). > > > > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C37700.2CC32E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:27 = PM
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PLace one at Gurley Street Grill and I'm = there.

Regan L=20 Smith <buggers@mindspring.com> wrote:=20
a=20 better idea let's all carpool with ken and place a cache under every = park
bench in Prescott!!!!!!!!!!



Think people I = rather=20 have quality that quantity just placing a cache to
get a find is = not a=20 reason to place a cache, I also feel that until you have
found a = minimum=20 of 50 percent of the caches placed in the state, don't
bemoan the = point=20 and waste your time which could be better spent on finding
all = those=20 caches that people do place under a park bench and not say on = top
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----- Original Message = -----=20
From: "Ford, Denny"
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Subject: RE: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches = lately=20 in
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> With the 1% rule in place I guess = the Tres=20 Hombres are safe we are at
1.45%
> that is until I log all = the ones=20 I have done and not logged.
>
> -----Original=20 Message-----
> From: Mark Heitowit = [mailto:mheitowit@usa.net]
>=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:46 PM
> To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Why very=20 few new caches lately in
> Arizona?]
>
>
> = If every=20 team with 100 or more finds were to place 1% of their=20 finds,
there
> would be more caches than Circle K's and = Walgreens=20 combined here in
Phoenix.
>
> "Trisha"=20 wrote:
>
> > OK, not to belabor = my point=20 (but I guess this will) I just checked the
> > AZ caching = stats. Of=20 the top 25 teams, all with over 350 finds, just
> > over = half have=20 hidden LESS THAN 10 caches. I'm not picking on anybody
> > = in=20 particular, but maybe if those who are benefitting the most = (most
>=20 > finds) would step up and put out a few more caches (no more=20 excuses!
> > you have over 350 finds!) then it would make = Ken=20 happier....?
> > Trisha "Lightning"
> > = Prescott
>=20 >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 9 = Sep 2003=20 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Ken Akerman wrote:
> >
> > = I've been=20 looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there
> = > is=20 very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past = week.
> >=20 There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept.=20 2,
> > while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved = in the=20 past seven
> > days.
> >
> > There are = many great=20 places to put caches in the high elevations of
> > Arizona. = There=20 are still many regions of the state of Arizona that
> > = don't have=20 many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them
> = >=20 this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim. Don't complain = about<=20 BR>> > the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations = are less=20 than two
> > hours away and the gasoline is less expensive = in towns=20 like Payson and
> > Prescott than it is in Phoenix.
> = >
> > Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache = activity? Utah has
> > less than half the population of = Arizona,=20 yet Utah has 1,893 caches as
> > of today, while Arizona = has 1,733=20 caches. We really should have more
> > caches than our = neighboring=20 state to the north. (This has always
> > irritated me that = Utah has=20 more caches than Arizona. Why should Utah
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------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C37700.2CC32E00-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 01:32:33 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] quality hides In-Reply-To: <20030909181150.19486.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <20030910013233.88253.qmail@web14811.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2067905540-1063157553=:87464 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maybe the topic should be changed to "what makes a quality hide?" Location? Container? Originality? Tough hide? Whimsical hide (clever container)? Type? What makes a quality hide is going to differ between cachers. Some have a stated preference for isolated rural caches. We happen to prefer scenic caches with some sense of whimsy or originality/mental challenge. What are your preferences? Trisha wrote: Well, Brian, (heh heh you opened yourself up for this one, dear....) maybe you could put a little more thought into the hides, instead of just slapping it under a bench, and we'd all have a few more "quality" caches to go after. I mean, with 464 finds, (and 6 hides, ahem ) certainly you've seen a few good ideas you could pattern them after.... The point I have always been harping on is well known and logical: if people didn't HIDE caches, then all you guys with the high numbers would never had a chance to get those high numbers. There would have been no caches to go find and rack up. DUH! Is this really that difficult to see? I agree, Quality is good....I prefer "quality" esp after a couple not-so-quality locations I jsut did in Wickenburg recently--- and I didn't mean to harp on you, Brian....just using you as an example since you fall into my earlier "category" of a top-25'er with less than 10 hides (I picked that number arbitrarily)....and obviously if you do the math on "hide 1% of your finds" that doesn't give many caches to find either. The principle of fairness --- if you participate by finding caches that others have placed for you and others....then reciprocate by putting out some "quality" caches for others to find....that seems reasonable, doesn't it? Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:46:22 -0700, "Brian Casteel" wrote: The way I see it, Arizona caches should be more QUALITY, not QUANTITY. If you want me to slap an altoids tin under every car/truck/van/bus/street light/park bench/tree/water fountain/planter, then toss some funds my way and I'll be happy to oblige so we can dwarf Utah by 1000 caches or so. It shouldn't be too hard to abide by the .1 mile rule. Heck, I could probably squeeze 30 caches into Kiwanis Park alone! A little levity never hurt anyone. BrianTeam A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Akerman To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 3:41 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gasoline in Payson about 30 cents per gallon cheaper than Phoenix If you want to get out of the heat and go geocaching in a cooler, scenic area that is not far from the Phoenix area, I recommend traveling up the Beeline Highway (SR 87) towards the Payson area. Payson is only about 60 miles from Fountain Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa. There are many caches near the Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and Payson, the majority of them less than 1000 feet from a parking area and accessible by 2WD vehicles. There are also more difficult caches if you like longer hikes. Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in caches near the Beeline Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come and get these travel bugs and move them around. Perhaps the best thing about geocaching in the Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per gallon cheaper there than in the Phoenix area. Azcachemeister and I paid $1.689 per gallon to fill up my SUV prior to leaving Payson Saturday night. Therefore, even if you don't visit many caches, you can at least save some money on gasoline by filling up your vehicles' fuel tank prior to leaving Payson. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-2067905540-1063157553=:87464 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Maybe the topic should be changed to  "what makes a quality hide?"
 
Location?
Container?
Originality?
Tough hide?
Whimsical hide (clever container)?
Type?
 
What makes a quality hide is going to differ between cachers. Some have a stated preference for isolated rural caches. We happen to prefer scenic caches with some sense of whimsy or originality/mental challenge. What are your preferences?

Trisha <trisha@brasher.com> wrote:
Well, Brian, (heh heh you opened yourself up for this one, dear....)
maybe you could put a little more thought into the hides, instead of
just slapping it under a bench, and we'd all have a few more "quality"
caches to go after. I mean, with 464 finds, (and 6 hides, ahem )
certainly you've seen a few good ideas you could pattern them after....

The point I have always been harping on is well known and logical: if
people didn't HIDE caches, then all you guys with the high numbers
would never had a chance to get those high numbers. There would have
been no caches to go find and rack up. DUH! Is this really that
difficult to see?

I agree, Quality is good....I prefer "quality" esp after a couple
not-so-quality locations I jsut did in Wickenburg recently--- and I
didn't mean to harp on you, Brian....just using you as an example
since yo u fall into my earlier "category" of a top-25'er with less
than 10 hides (I picked that number arbitrarily)....and obviously if
you do the math on "hide 1% of your finds" that doesn't give many
caches to find either.

The principle of fairness --- if you participate by finding caches
that others have placed for you and others....then reciprocate by
putting out some "quality" caches for others to find....that seems
reasonable, doesn't it?

Trisha "Lightning"
Prescott




On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:46:22 -0700, "Brian Casteel" wrote:








The way I see it, Arizona caches should be more
QUALITY, not QUANTITY.  If you want me to slap an altoids tin under
every
car/truck/van/bus/street light/park bench/tree/water fountain/planter,
then toss
some funds my way and I'll be happy to oblige so we can dwarf Utah by
1000
caches or so.  It shouldn't be too hard to abide by the .1 mile rul e. 
Heck, I could probably squeeze 30 caches into Kiwanis Park alone!
 
A little levity never hurt anyone.
 
BrianTeam A.I.

----- Original Message -----
From:
Ken Akerman

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 3:41
PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gasoline in
Payson about 30 cents per gallon cheaper than Phoenix

If you want to get out of the heat and go geocaching in a cooler,
scenic
area that is not far from the Phoenix area, I recommend traveling up
the
Beeline Highway (SR 87) towards the Payson area.  Payson is only
about 60
miles from Fountain Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa.  There are
many
caches near the Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and Payson,
the
majority of them less than 1000 feet from a parking area and
accessible by 2WD
vehicles.  There are also more difficult caches if you like longer
hikes.  
 
Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in caches near the
Beeline
Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come and get these
travel bugs
and move them around.  Perhaps the best thing about geocaching in
the
Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per gallon cheaper
there than
in the Phoenix area.  Azcachemeister and I paid $1.689 per gallon to
fill
up my SUV prior to leaving Payson Saturday night.   Therefore, even
if you don't visit many caches, you can at least save some money on
gasoline
by filling up your vehicles' fuel tank prior to leaving Payson.
Ken (a.k.a.
Highpointer)
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Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-2067905540-1063157553=:87464-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 01:35:39 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Randy Kinkel) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:35:39 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] rant....? References: <20030909181150.19486.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <000401c3773b$d77a5400$6401a8c0@ph.cox.net> Hey, what's wrong with "slapping it under a bench?" ;-) If the location's good that is... Honestly, I don't know how some of you guys do it, with hundreds of finds and 5, 10 or 15 hides of your own to keep up with! My hat's off to all of you! I've only been caching since June, but I've seen some truly ingenious hides (thisguytim's "feed house" comes to mind)-- these types of hides inspire me to think outside the box with my next caches and try to place some really interesting ones! what are some other really "inspired" Arizona and phoenix-area caches you've come across? "Mozartman" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trisha" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] rant....? > Well, Brian, (heh heh you opened yourself up for this one, dear....) > maybe you could put a little more thought into the hides, instead of > just slapping it under a bench, and we'd all have a few more "quality" > caches to go after. I mean, with 464 finds, (and 6 hides, ahem ) > certainly you've seen a few good ideas you could pattern them after.... > > The point I have always been harping on is well known and logical: if > people didn't HIDE caches, then all you guys with the high numbers > would never had a chance to get those high numbers. There would have > been no caches to go find and rack up. DUH! Is this really that > difficult to see? > > I agree, Quality is good....I prefer "quality" esp after a couple > not-so-quality locations I jsut did in Wickenburg recently--- and I > didn't mean to harp on you, Brian....just using you as an example > since you fall into my earlier "category" of a top-25'er with less > than 10 hides (I picked that number arbitrarily)....and obviously if > you do the math on "hide 1% of your finds" that doesn't give many > caches to find either. > > The principle of fairness --- if you participate by finding caches > that others have placed for you and others....then reciprocate by > putting out some "quality" caches for others to find....that seems > reasonable, doesn't it? > > Trisha "Lightning" > Prescott > > > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:46:22 -0700, "Brian Casteel" wrote: > > > > > > > > > The way I see it, Arizona caches should be more > QUALITY, not QUANTITY. If you want me to slap an altoids tin under > every > car/truck/van/bus/street light/park bench/tree/water fountain/planter, > then toss > some funds my way and I'll be happy to oblige so we can dwarf Utah by > 1000 > caches or so. It shouldn't be too hard to abide by the .1 mile rule. > Heck, I could probably squeeze 30 caches into Kiwanis Park alone! > > A little levity never hurt anyone. > > BrianTeam A.I. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Ken Akerman > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 3:41 > PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gasoline in > Payson about 30 cents per gallon cheaper than Phoenix > > If you want to get out of the heat and go geocaching in a cooler, > scenic > area that is not far from the Phoenix area, I recommend traveling up > the > Beeline Highway (SR 87) towards the Payson area. Payson is only > about 60 > miles from Fountain Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa. There are > many > caches near the Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and Payson, > the > majority of them less than 1000 feet from a parking area and > accessible by 2WD > vehicles. There are also more difficult caches if you like longer > hikes. > > Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in caches near the > Beeline > Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come and get these > travel bugs > and move them around. Perhaps the best thing about geocaching in > the > Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per gallon cheaper > there than > in the Phoenix area. Azcachemeister and I paid $1.689 per gallon to > fill > up my SUV prior to leaving Payson Saturday night. Therefore, even > if you don't visit many caches, you can at least save some money on > gasoline > by filling up your vehicles' fuel tank prior to leaving Payson. > Ken (a.k.a. > Highpointer) > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 03:11:04 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Patrick Brown) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:11:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] Message-ID: <3F5E9648.000003.02972@EMachine> I don't disagree that we need more caches in Az , however I have at least 3 out there that has not been found yet. Patrick Brown PANDA77 Check out http://www.geocaching.com/ http://www.azgeocaching.com/ http://users.w3az.net/panda77/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 03:39:14 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:39:14 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] rant....? References: <20030909181150.19486.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <003b01c3774d$1ad43d90$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> Actually, there was 9. 8/9 were approved, 1 wasn't. I archived one due to location ('hosts' no longer liked it there), the other in favor of a better one. I'll put it to you this way. If you study up on my It...Has You cache, you'll see that caches I put a LARGE amount of time into, they aren't likely to be found frequently. I'm getting ready to start work on another one of equal difficulty, so look out for it. I'm considering more caches to place, but I'd prefer some thought having to be put into them besides 'oh, that looks like a good place' being my criteria. I could place some more quality caches, but they will each take a certain amount of time, as I enjoy being devious in my thought process, to make it more difficult. Don't get me wrong. I do enjoy the park bench micros, because it gives me a chance to sit, relax and enjoy the park it's in. However, I also enjoy the more difficult micro hides and ones that require some degree of hiking. There are people who like to find caches, and others who prefer to place them. I feel myself to be a 70/30 mix of find/hide, just because that's the way I am. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trisha" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] rant....? > Well, Brian, (heh heh you opened yourself up for this one, dear....) > maybe you could put a little more thought into the hides, instead of > just slapping it under a bench, and we'd all have a few more "quality" > caches to go after. I mean, with 464 finds, (and 6 hides, ahem ) > certainly you've seen a few good ideas you could pattern them after.... > > The point I have always been harping on is well known and logical: if > people didn't HIDE caches, then all you guys with the high numbers > would never had a chance to get those high numbers. There would have > been no caches to go find and rack up. DUH! Is this really that > difficult to see? > > I agree, Quality is good....I prefer "quality" esp after a couple > not-so-quality locations I jsut did in Wickenburg recently--- and I > didn't mean to harp on you, Brian....just using you as an example > since you fall into my earlier "category" of a top-25'er with less > than 10 hides (I picked that number arbitrarily)....and obviously if > you do the math on "hide 1% of your finds" that doesn't give many > caches to find either. > > The principle of fairness --- if you participate by finding caches > that others have placed for you and others....then reciprocate by > putting out some "quality" caches for others to find....that seems > reasonable, doesn't it? > > Trisha "Lightning" > Prescott > > > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:46:22 -0700, "Brian Casteel" wrote: > > > > > > > > > The way I see it, Arizona caches should be more > QUALITY, not QUANTITY. If you want me to slap an altoids tin under > every > car/truck/van/bus/street light/park bench/tree/water fountain/planter, > then toss > some funds my way and I'll be happy to oblige so we can dwarf Utah by > 1000 > caches or so. It shouldn't be too hard to abide by the .1 mile rule. > Heck, I could probably squeeze 30 caches into Kiwanis Park alone! > > A little levity never hurt anyone. > > BrianTeam A.I. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Ken Akerman > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 3:41 > PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gasoline in > Payson about 30 cents per gallon cheaper than Phoenix > > If you want to get out of the heat and go geocaching in a cooler, > scenic > area that is not far from the Phoenix area, I recommend traveling up > the > Beeline Highway (SR 87) towards the Payson area. Payson is only > about 60 > miles from Fountain Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa. There are > many > caches near the Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and Payson, > the > majority of them less than 1000 feet from a parking area and > accessible by 2WD > vehicles. There are also more difficult caches if you like longer > hikes. > > Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in caches near the > Beeline > Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come and get these > travel bugs > and move them around. Perhaps the best thing about geocaching in > the > Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per gallon cheaper > there than > in the Phoenix area. Azcachemeister and I paid $1.689 per gallon to > fill > up my SUV prior to leaving Payson Saturday night. Therefore, even > if you don't visit many caches, you can at least save some money on > gasoline > by filling up your vehicles' fuel tank prior to leaving Payson. > Ken (a.k.a. > Highpointer) > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 03:41:32 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:41:32 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] rant....? References: <20030909181150.19486.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> <000401c3773b$d77a5400$6401a8c0@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <004901c3774d$6d3dce20$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> Heh. I never said there was anything wrong with those types of caches. But in order to make some people happy, that would be the bulk of new cache placements in order to increase the hide/find ratio, as well as total caches to find in this area. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Kinkel" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] rant....? > Hey, what's wrong with "slapping it under a bench?" ;-) > If the location's good that is... > Honestly, I don't know how some of you guys do it, with hundreds > of finds and 5, 10 or 15 hides of your own to keep up with! My > hat's off to all of you! I've only been caching since June, but > I've seen some truly ingenious hides (thisguytim's "feed house" > comes to mind)-- these types of hides inspire me to think outside > the box with my next caches and try to place some really > interesting ones! > > what are some other really "inspired" Arizona and phoenix-area > caches you've come across? > > "Mozartman" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trisha" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 6:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] rant....? > > > > Well, Brian, (heh heh you opened yourself up for this one, > dear....) > > maybe you could put a little more thought into the hides, > instead of > > just slapping it under a bench, and we'd all have a few more > "quality" > > caches to go after. I mean, with 464 finds, (and 6 hides, > ahem ) > > certainly you've seen a few good ideas you could pattern them > after.... > > > > The point I have always been harping on is well known and > logical: if > > people didn't HIDE caches, then all you guys with the high > numbers > > would never had a chance to get those high numbers. There would > have > > been no caches to go find and rack up. DUH! Is this really that > > difficult to see? > > > > I agree, Quality is good....I prefer "quality" esp after a > couple > > not-so-quality locations I jsut did in Wickenburg recently--- > and I > > didn't mean to harp on you, Brian....just using you as an > example > > since you fall into my earlier "category" of a top-25'er with > less > > than 10 hides (I picked that number arbitrarily)....and > obviously if > > you do the math on "hide 1% of your finds" that doesn't give > many > > caches to find either. > > > > The principle of fairness --- if you participate by finding > caches > > that others have placed for you and others....then reciprocate > by > > putting out some "quality" caches for others to find....that > seems > > reasonable, doesn't it? > > > > Trisha "Lightning" > > Prescott > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:46:22 -0700, "Brian Casteel" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way I see it, Arizona caches should be more > > QUALITY, not QUANTITY. If you want me to slap an altoids tin > under > > every > > car/truck/van/bus/street light/park bench/tree/water > fountain/planter, > > then toss > > some funds my way and I'll be happy to oblige so we can dwarf > Utah by > > 1000 > > caches or so. It shouldn't be too hard to abide by the .1 mile > rule. > > Heck, I could probably squeeze 30 caches into Kiwanis Park > alone! > > > > A little levity never hurt anyone. > > > > BrianTeam A.I. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Ken Akerman > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 3:41 > > PM > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gasoline in > > Payson about 30 cents per gallon cheaper than Phoenix > > > > If you want to get out of the heat and go geocaching in a > cooler, > > scenic > > area that is not far from the Phoenix area, I recommend > traveling up > > the > > Beeline Highway (SR 87) towards the Payson area. Payson is > only > > about 60 > > miles from Fountain Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa. There > are > > many > > caches near the Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and > Payson, > > the > > majority of them less than 1000 feet from a parking area and > > accessible by 2WD > > vehicles. There are also more difficult caches if you like > longer > > hikes. > > > > Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in caches near the > > Beeline > > Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come and get > these > > travel bugs > > and move them around. Perhaps the best thing about geocaching > in > > the > > Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per gallon > cheaper > > there than > > in the Phoenix area. Azcachemeister and I paid $1.689 per > gallon to > > fill > > up my SUV prior to leaving Payson Saturday night. Therefore, > even > > if you don't visit many caches, you can at least save some > money on > > gasoline > > by filling up your vehicles' fuel tank prior to leaving > Payson. > > Ken (a.k.a. > > Highpointer) > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 03:44:27 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:44:27 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] rant....? References: <20030909181150.19486.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <006c01c3774d$d58cafa0$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> I just had another thought. In many things I do, I put quite a bit of time/effort into them, because in the end they are representative of me. That being said, when/where I choose to place a cache is going to be determined by how I feel about it. If I'm excited about the location and how you need to find it, then I will. To satisfy a 'ratio', I will not. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trisha" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] rant....? > Well, Brian, (heh heh you opened yourself up for this one, dear....) > maybe you could put a little more thought into the hides, instead of > just slapping it under a bench, and we'd all have a few more "quality" > caches to go after. I mean, with 464 finds, (and 6 hides, ahem ) > certainly you've seen a few good ideas you could pattern them after.... > > The point I have always been harping on is well known and logical: if > people didn't HIDE caches, then all you guys with the high numbers > would never had a chance to get those high numbers. There would have > been no caches to go find and rack up. DUH! Is this really that > difficult to see? > > I agree, Quality is good....I prefer "quality" esp after a couple > not-so-quality locations I jsut did in Wickenburg recently--- and I > didn't mean to harp on you, Brian....just using you as an example > since you fall into my earlier "category" of a top-25'er with less > than 10 hides (I picked that number arbitrarily)....and obviously if > you do the math on "hide 1% of your finds" that doesn't give many > caches to find either. > > The principle of fairness --- if you participate by finding caches > that others have placed for you and others....then reciprocate by > putting out some "quality" caches for others to find....that seems > reasonable, doesn't it? > > Trisha "Lightning" > Prescott > > > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:46:22 -0700, "Brian Casteel" wrote: > > > > > > > > > The way I see it, Arizona caches should be more > QUALITY, not QUANTITY. If you want me to slap an altoids tin under > every > car/truck/van/bus/street light/park bench/tree/water fountain/planter, > then toss > some funds my way and I'll be happy to oblige so we can dwarf Utah by > 1000 > caches or so. It shouldn't be too hard to abide by the .1 mile rule. > Heck, I could probably squeeze 30 caches into Kiwanis Park alone! > > A little levity never hurt anyone. > > BrianTeam A.I. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Ken Akerman > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 3:41 > PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gasoline in > Payson about 30 cents per gallon cheaper than Phoenix > > If you want to get out of the heat and go geocaching in a cooler, > scenic > area that is not far from the Phoenix area, I recommend traveling up > the > Beeline Highway (SR 87) towards the Payson area. Payson is only > about 60 > miles from Fountain Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa. There are > many > caches near the Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and Payson, > the > majority of them less than 1000 feet from a parking area and > accessible by 2WD > vehicles. There are also more difficult caches if you like longer > hikes. > > Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in caches near the > Beeline > Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come and get these > travel bugs > and move them around. Perhaps the best thing about geocaching in > the > Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per gallon cheaper > there than > in the Phoenix area. Azcachemeister and I paid $1.689 per gallon to > fill > up my SUV prior to leaving Payson Saturday night. Therefore, even > if you don't visit many caches, you can at least save some money on > gasoline > by filling up your vehicles' fuel tank prior to leaving Payson. > Ken (a.k.a. > Highpointer) > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 04:18:15 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:18:15 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why aren't you out caching? Message-ID: <3F5EA607.1010103@mchsi.com> Trisha wrote: >geez, what are we all doing on line in the afternoon? Do we all NOT >work, even AT work?? > No kidding! I returned home this evening to over fifty messages from the listserver. And today was the best caching weather we've had in months! I was out caching, thank you very much. 15 caches in 8 hours. Go caching people! -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 04:15:48 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 21:15:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why aren't you out caching? References: <3F5EA607.1010103@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <00a101c37752$369c6a70$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> Ahem. In Phoenix gas is still $2.00/gal. Just getting to/from work has completely eaten up my gas budget, and then some. :) My discretionary fundage is far more finite than it used to be. When gas prices drop to reasonable levels (ideally $1.25/gal, but $1.50 is tolerable), I'll be caching again, and will hit that magical 500 cache-finds mark. When that happens, I guess I'll have to place 43 caches, since I currently have 7 active ones. I guess we'll now need a 'stat' for the most caches PLACED in a day. :/ Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Sparks" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 9:18 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why aren't you out caching? > Trisha wrote: > > >geez, what are we all doing on line in the afternoon? Do we all NOT > >work, even AT work?? > > > No kidding! I returned home this evening to over fifty messages from > the listserver. And today was the best caching weather we've had in > months! I was out caching, thank you very much. 15 caches in 8 hours. > Go caching people! > > -- Sprocket > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 04:30:13 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:30:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] Message-ID: <3F5EA8D5.80109@mchsi.com> I'm one of the guilty ones. I have hidden just under 1% of those I've found. However, nowhere that I've seen am I required to hide a cache in order to find them. Four out of five of my hides are quality hides-- not 'stop and drop' like so many others. The fifth one, until it was stolen, was a unique hide and difficult to find so, it was a quality hide too, in it's own way. I will hide more but I would rather see people hide fewer caches than to see them hide more than they can reasonably maintain. Remember, that is a responsibilty the hider needs to assume. Not just to flood an area with caches that he/she cannot possibly maintain (until somebody complains that it is missing.) As for not enough caches in Arizona, I think that is poppycock! I'll make this promise to anyone who is reading this. The day that someone (anyone) logs all of the caches in Arizona, I will go out that week and hide 20 new caches! Anybody up for that challenge? -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 04:18:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 21:18:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Wickenburg Message-ID: <00aa01c37752$9ac3e960$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C37717.EE4617B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone is jonesing for a hard-core day of caching, I'm really wanting = to do another Wickenburg marathon. As it stands now, the best day to do = it would be Monday. Anyone interested (and has that day available on = any given week), let me know and we could split the cost of the day. Not only do I have that day off, but there's NOBODY in the boonies = during the week. Last time I did a marathon day (12+hours), I only saw = vehicles when I was on asphalt. 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If anyone is jonesing for a hard-core = day of=20 caching, I'm really wanting to do another Wickenburg marathon.  As = it=20 stands now, the best day to do it would be Monday.  Anyone = interested (and=20 has that day available on any given week), let me know and we could = split the=20 cost of the day.
 
Not only do I have that day off, but = there's NOBODY=20 in the boonies during the week.  Last time I did a marathon day = (12+hours),=20 I only saw vehicles when I was on asphalt.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C37717.EE4617B0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 04:48:49 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:48:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why aren't you out caching? Message-ID: <20030909214850.24756.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Well, you may have had great weather, but it rained all day here in Prescott. I'm not fond of mud. But I have planned 3 more caches to place! Three more for you (Sprocket) and anybody else to find on their next trip up here.... enjoy, Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:18:15 -0700, Scott Sparks wrote: > > Trisha wrote: > > >geez, what are we all doing on line in the afternoon? Do we all NOT > >work, even AT work?? > > > No kidding! I returned home this evening to over fifty messages from > the listserver. And today was the best caching weather we've had in > months! I was out caching, thank you very much. 15 caches in 8 > hours. > Go caching people! > > -- Sprocket > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 04:59:04 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:59:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] Message-ID: <20030909215905.9100.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I kinda feel like people are still mis-understanding the point I am trying to make. It's not about ratios, it's not about some arbitrary percentage of finds/hides, it's not about a "rule" that you have to hide caches if you seek them. It's about simple common sense and common courtesy to keep the game/sport new and refreshing. IF NOBODY HIDES THEM THEN THERE ARE NO CACHES TO FIND. However you want to quantify that, or have reasons, or make excuses, for not wanting to or liking to hide them, it is a simple fact. If you subtract the number of caches that the "25 top-hiders" (or whatever number you want to pick) have hidden (I have no idea who that is, but all of us have an idea who some are), then how LOW would your own stats be? How many places and finds would you have missed out on? Do you think that some of the hiders who hide alot of caches would also like to find some new ones that are not their own?? OK, enough said. I'm done (I hear you saying "Thank GOD!!") ha ha Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:30:13 -0700, Scott Sparks wrote: > > I'm one of the guilty ones. I have hidden just under 1% of those I've > found. However, nowhere that I've seen am I required to hide a cache > in > order to find them. Four out of five of my hides are quality hides-- > not > 'stop and drop' like so many others. The fifth one, until it was > stolen, was a unique hide and difficult to find so, it was a quality > hide too, in it's own way. I will hide more but I would rather see > people hide fewer caches than to see them hide more than they can > reasonably maintain. Remember, that is a responsibilty the hider > needs > to assume. Not just to flood an area with caches that he/she cannot > possibly maintain (until somebody complains that it is missing.) As > for > not enough caches in Arizona, I think that is poppycock! I'll make > this > promise to anyone who is reading this. The day that someone (anyone) > logs all of the caches in Arizona, I will go out that week and hide 20 > new caches! Anybody up for that challenge? > > -- Sprocket > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 05:09:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:09:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] last note Message-ID: <20030909220944.27579.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Brian, see my other reply which will be my last on the subject. My caches are all "quality" (at least I haven't had complaints) I put alot of time and effort to make them good, for others to enjoy, I hope. Even the couple micros...currently 9 physical, 2 VC and 6 archived. (And I only have 206 finds.) Trisha On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:44:27 -0700, "Brian Casteel" wrote: > > I just had another thought. In many things I do, I put quite a bit of > time/effort into them, because in the end they are representative of > me. > That being said, when/where I choose to place a cache is going to be > determined by how I feel about it. If I'm excited about the location > and > how you need to find it, then I will. To satisfy a 'ratio', I will > not. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trisha" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 6:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] rant....? > > > > Well, Brian, (heh heh you opened yourself up for this one, dear....) > > maybe you could put a little more thought into the hides, instead of > > just slapping it under a bench, and we'd all have a few more > "quality" > > caches to go after. I mean, with 464 finds, (and 6 hides, ahem ) > > certainly you've seen a few good ideas you could pattern them > after.... > > > > The point I have always been harping on is well known and logical: if > > people didn't HIDE caches, then all you guys with the high numbers > > would never had a chance to get those high numbers. There would have > > been no caches to go find and rack up. DUH! Is this really that > > difficult to see? > > > > I agree, Quality is good....I prefer "quality" esp after a couple > > not-so-quality locations I jsut did in Wickenburg recently--- and I > > didn't mean to harp on you, Brian....just using you as an example > > since you fall into my earlier "category" of a top-25'er with less > > than 10 hides (I picked that number arbitrarily)....and obviously if > > you do the math on "hide 1% of your finds" that doesn't give many > > caches to find either. > > > > The principle of fairness --- if you participate by finding caches > > that others have placed for you and others....then reciprocate by > > putting out some "quality" caches for others to find....that seems > > reasonable, doesn't it? > > > > Trisha "Lightning" > > Prescott > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:46:22 -0700, "Brian Casteel" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way I see it, Arizona caches should be more > > QUALITY, not QUANTITY. If you want me to slap an altoids tin under > > every > > car/truck/van/bus/street light/park bench/tree/water > fountain/planter, > > then toss > > some funds my way and I'll be happy to oblige so we can dwarf Utah by > > 1000 > > caches or so. It shouldn't be too hard to abide by the .1 mile rule. > > Heck, I could probably squeeze 30 caches into Kiwanis Park alone! > > > > A little levity never hurt anyone. > > > > BrianTeam A.I. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Ken Akerman > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 3:41 > > PM > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gasoline in > > Payson about 30 cents per gallon cheaper than Phoenix > > > > If you want to get out of the heat and go geocaching in a cooler, > > scenic > > area that is not far from the Phoenix area, I recommend traveling > up > > the > > Beeline Highway (SR 87) towards the Payson area. Payson is only > > about 60 > > miles from Fountain Hills and about 75 miles from Mesa. There are > > many > > caches near the Beeline Highway between Fountain Hills and Payson, > > the > > majority of them less than 1000 feet from a parking area and > > accessible by 2WD > > vehicles. There are also more difficult caches if you like longer > > hikes. > > > > Azcachemeister and I put seven travel bugs in caches near the > > Beeline > > Highway and in the Payson area on Saturday, so come and get these > > travel bugs > > and move them around. Perhaps the best thing about geocaching in > > the > > Payson area is that gasoline is about 30 cents per gallon cheaper > > there than > > in the Phoenix area. Azcachemeister and I paid $1.689 per gallon to > > fill > > up my SUV prior to leaving Payson Saturday night. Therefore, even > > if you don't visit many caches, you can at least save some money on > > gasoline > > by filling up your vehicles' fuel tank prior to leaving Payson. > > Ken (a.k.a. > > Highpointer) > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 05:53:17 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian LaFrance) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:53:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] XML Tool In-Reply-To: <20030909220944.27579.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: So anyway...I got bored tonight. If any of you want to play with a tool I'm working on for generating an XML found list, follow this link: http://www.twogun.com/geocaching/ It's still a beta version, but I figured some of you who would be interested in using it could give me some input on it. I am yet to find an efficient way of collecting dates for the finds, so that is currently missing. Maybe the Snaptek gods could give me some hints/ideas on how to handle getting dates included... Brian Team AZEvil From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 13:53:37 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] In-Reply-To: <3F5EA8D5.80109@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20030910135337.99739.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Sprocket, Actually, that condition has happened. Three teams have the honor of finding ALL caches in the state of Arizona. Bob Renner, stevek, and Gravatite all accomplished this feat between 9/9/2000 and 10/8/2000. There was only 1 cache in Arizona then so it was a little easier then. Just thought I'd throw in a little levity to the thread. Bob --- Scott Sparks wrote: >... > I'll make this > promise to anyone who is reading this. The day that > someone (anyone) > logs all of the caches in Arizona, I will go out > that week and hide 20 > new caches! Anybody up for that challenge? > > -- Sprocket __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 15:59:07 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Cache-Quest) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:59:07 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] XML Tool References: Message-ID: <004701c377b4$77493190$6901a8c0@JERRY> Brian, This looks good and seems to work for me. This opens up some interesting possibilities for putting together some XSL to transform it into any format anyone wants. One drawback is that it is based on AZGeocaching data, so it doesn't include out of state finds (at least I didn't see any after a quick scan). That is one of my most important requirements. The AZGeocaching site is wonderful from an AZ perspective, but is an incomplete picture from an individual perspective. The other thing I noticed is that the schema differs from the one used by geocaching.com. Using a schema consistent with geocaching.com, would allow any transformations to be used against either source. Please don't take these as critical comments. This is nice work. Thanks, Jerry (Cache-Quest) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian LaFrance" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] XML Tool > So anyway...I got bored tonight. If any of you want to play with a tool I'm > working on for generating an XML found list, follow this link: > > http://www.twogun.com/geocaching/ > > It's still a beta version, but I figured some of you who would be interested > in using it could give me some input on it. I am yet to find an efficient > way of collecting dates for the finds, so that is currently missing. Maybe > the Snaptek gods could give me some hints/ideas on how to handle getting > dates included... > > Brian > Team AZEvil > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 16:43:32 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian LaFrance) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:43:32 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] XML Tool In-Reply-To: <004701c377b4$77493190$6901a8c0@JERRY> Message-ID: <001f01c377ba$ac15fb50$0000fea9@starvinmarvin> Thanks for the input. Like I said, I was bored last night, so it didn't take much to create it. I will look at tweaking it to fit Geocaching.com's schema (any help on where to find that would be appreciated). As far as it being Arizona only, it is based off the text file generated by AZGeocaching.com, so it is currently AZ only (that file was an easy target for stealing data). I also want to get out of state finds included, I'm just not sure how to approach that yet. I'll have to figure out a way to get it to work off of Geocaching.com's site. I just don't want to get my home IP address banned from the Geocaching.com site for pulling data off their site while I'm testing it. Brian Team AZEvil -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Team Cache-Quest Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:59 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] XML Tool Brian, This looks good and seems to work for me. This opens up some interesting possibilities for putting together some XSL to transform it into any format anyone wants. One drawback is that it is based on AZGeocaching data, so it doesn't include out of state finds (at least I didn't see any after a quick scan). That is one of my most important requirements. The AZGeocaching site is wonderful from an AZ perspective, but is an incomplete picture from an individual perspective. The other thing I noticed is that the schema differs from the one used by geocaching.com. Using a schema consistent with geocaching.com, would allow any transformations to be used against either source. Please don't take these as critical comments. This is nice work. Thanks, Jerry (Cache-Quest) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian LaFrance" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] XML Tool > So anyway...I got bored tonight. If any of you want to play with a > tool I'm > working on for generating an XML found list, follow this link: > > http://www.twogun.com/geocaching/ > > It's still a beta version, but I figured some of you who would be interested > in using it could give me some input on it. I am yet to find an > efficient way of collecting dates for the finds, so that is currently > missing. Maybe > the Snaptek gods could give me some hints/ideas on how to handle > getting dates included... > > Brian > Team AZEvil > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 17:52:47 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Virgil Silhanek) Date: 10 Sep 2003 10:52:47 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cutting firewood in Arizona In-Reply-To: <001f01c377ba$ac15fb50$0000fea9@starvinmarvin> References: <001f01c377ba$ac15fb50$0000fea9@starvinmarvin> Message-ID: <1063216366.2529.70.camel@ip68-3-80-44.ph.ph.cox.net> This is kind of off-topic, but I thought I'd ask the wealth of knowledge on this list before I start calling various people. My dad shipped me a little chainsaw that he no longer uses. So now, I would like to get a permit to go and cut firewood in the National Forests somewhere. I don't need very much, but wanted to get some for use when camping. I've noticed that you need to have a USFS approved spark arrestor. How do I determine if my saw has that? I believe it already does, but am not sure. I don't want to be the person responsible for starting the next big forest fire. Also, does it matter where you cut wood? I saw on the Coconio NF site, they have restrictions of what type of trees you cut. Do they have designated areas to cut trees for wood? Does anyone have experience with cutting firewood already? What NF and what official(s) are the best for me to contact for more information? To keep this so it isn't totally off-topic, I thought it would be great to cut a log container for a cache. Is anyone aware of such existing caches that use a wood container. I think there are some out there that have been hidden in rocks, but what about logs? Thanks, Virgil Silhanek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 18:02:14 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Henson) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:02:14 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cutting firewood in Arizona In-Reply-To: <1063216366.2529.70.camel@ip68-3-80-44.ph.ph.cox.net> Message-ID: > > Does anyone have experience with cutting firewood already? What NF and > what official(s) are the best for me to contact for more information? > http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/prescott/ The National Forest have web sites and contact information. Maybe you should contact the forest where you plan to do your cutting? I like the idea of a log with a cache inside of it. Ken Prescott From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 18:06:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Hartkopf, Chuck) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:06:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cutting firewood in Arizona Message-ID: Is there any wood left after all the fires this year? -----Original Message----- From: Ken Henson [mailto:khenson@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:02 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cutting firewood in Arizona > > Does anyone have experience with cutting firewood already? What NF and > what official(s) are the best for me to contact for more information? > http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/prescott/ The National Forest have web sites and contact information. Maybe you should contact the forest where you plan to do your cutting? I like the idea of a log with a cache inside of it. Ken Prescott ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 18:13:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (William Noll) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:13:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cutting firewood in Arizona References: <001f01c377ba$ac15fb50$0000fea9@starvinmarvin> <1063216366.2529.70.camel@ip68-3-80-44.ph.ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <001601c377c7$41916230$ef562aa2@oemcomputer> As far as cutting wood in a forest for a camp fire, you do not need a permit, as long as you only cut trees that are already down (and they should not be difficult to find). You would need a permit to actually cut down living trees. Some developed campgrounds forbid wood cutting / collecting with a certain distance from the campground. Most newer chainsaws should already have a spark arrestor (IIRC, it's just a small baffle on the exhaust). You should check out the owners manual (if you have it), or check the internet for manufacturer data. If you're family camping for only a short time, I think it's best to just spend the few dollars on bagged fire wood. It's usually not rotted and is dry (better burning with less smoke). And you don't have to carry a container of mix-gas (2-cycle oil + gas). Good luck finding a downed tree that is both dry and rot-free! And remember pine cones are the perfect fire starter (if you collect a hundred or so!) Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virgil Silhanek" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cutting firewood in Arizona > This is kind of off-topic, but I thought I'd ask the wealth of knowledge > on this list before I start calling various people. My dad shipped me a > little chainsaw that he no longer uses. So now, I would like to get a > permit to go and cut firewood in the National Forests somewhere. I > don't need very much, but wanted to get some for use when camping. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 18:17:10 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Henson) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:17:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cutting firewood in Arizona In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, at 11:06 AM, Hartkopf, Chuck wrote: > Is there any wood left after all the fires this year? > Yeppers, lots of wood left, and in some areas it is free, other areas it takes a permit, but some of those are free too. Ken Prescott From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 18:42:48 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:42:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] XML Tool In-Reply-To: <004701c377b4$77493190$6901a8c0@JERRY> References: <004701c377b4$77493190$6901a8c0@JERRY> Message-ID: <3F5F70A8.3020700@snaptek.com> if you download the EASYGPS data format of the file it is allready in gpx format jason Team Cache-Quest wrote: >Brian, > >This looks good and seems to work for me. This opens up some interesting >possibilities for putting together some XSL to transform it into any format >anyone wants. > >One drawback is that it is based on AZGeocaching data, so it doesn't include >out of state finds (at least I didn't see any after a quick scan). That is >one of my most important requirements. The AZGeocaching site is wonderful >from an AZ perspective, but is an incomplete picture from an individual >perspective. > >The other thing I noticed is that the schema differs from the one used by >geocaching.com. Using a schema consistent with geocaching.com, would allow >any transformations to be used against either source. > >Please don't take these as critical comments. This is nice work. > >Thanks, >Jerry (Cache-Quest) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian LaFrance" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:53 PM >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] XML Tool > > > > >>So anyway...I got bored tonight. If any of you want to play with a tool >> >> >I'm > > >>working on for generating an XML found list, follow this link: >> >>http://www.twogun.com/geocaching/ >> >>It's still a beta version, but I figured some of you who would be >> >> >interested > > >>in using it could give me some input on it. I am yet to find an efficient >>way of collecting dates for the finds, so that is currently missing. >> >> >Maybe > > >>the Snaptek gods could give me some hints/ideas on how to handle getting >>dates included... >> >>Brian >>Team AZEvil >> >> >>____________________________________________________________ >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> >> > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 19:50:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:50:24 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cutting firewood in Arizona Message-ID: <356C0CAE.54952400.0013DAD2@aol.com> There are thousands of dead trees due to the bark beetle. the only thing they are good for is firewood. In a message dated 9/10/2003 2:06:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CHartkopf@roperscientific.com writes: > > Is there any wood left after all the fires this year? > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 19:52:04 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian LaFrance) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:52:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] XML Tool In-Reply-To: <3F5F70A8.3020700@snaptek.com> Message-ID: Guess that kind of makes my work last night pointless...at least I had fun doing it. Now if we could just figure out an efficient way of pulling data for all caches found rather than just Arizona. Any ideas from the Snaptek guys...or anyone else??? Or is this a futile effort to get more data. Brian -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jason Poulter Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:43 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] XML Tool if you download the EASYGPS data format of the file it is allready in gpx format jason Team Cache-Quest wrote: >Brian, > >This looks good and seems to work for me. This opens up some interesting >possibilities for putting together some XSL to transform it into any format >anyone wants. > >One drawback is that it is based on AZGeocaching data, so it doesn't include >out of state finds (at least I didn't see any after a quick scan). That is >one of my most important requirements. The AZGeocaching site is wonderful >from an AZ perspective, but is an incomplete picture from an individual >perspective. > >The other thing I noticed is that the schema differs from the one used by >geocaching.com. Using a schema consistent with geocaching.com, would allow >any transformations to be used against either source. > >Please don't take these as critical comments. This is nice work. > >Thanks, >Jerry (Cache-Quest) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian LaFrance" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:53 PM >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] XML Tool > > > > >>So anyway...I got bored tonight. If any of you want to play with a tool >> >> >I'm > > >>working on for generating an XML found list, follow this link: >> >>http://www.twogun.com/geocaching/ >> >>It's still a beta version, but I figured some of you who would be >> >> >interested > > >>in using it could give me some input on it. I am yet to find an efficient >>way of collecting dates for the finds, so that is currently missing. >> >> >Maybe > > >>the Snaptek gods could give me some hints/ideas on how to handle getting >>dates included... >> >>Brian >>Team AZEvil >> >> >>____________________________________________________________ >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> >> > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 20:03:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cutting firewood in Arizona In-Reply-To: <1063216366.2529.70.camel@ip68-3-80-44.ph.ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <20030910200300.90211.qmail@web14812.mail.yahoo.com> --0-236949045-1063224180=:89860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Logs as caches have been done in other states that I know of. I've seen photos on the forums. Do a search on" logs as cache containers" and you should find them. Virgil Silhanek wrote:This is kind of off-topic, but I thought I'd ask the wealth of knowledge on this list before I start calling various people. My dad shipped me a little chainsaw that he no longer uses. So now, I would like to get a permit to go and cut firewood in the National Forests somewhere. I don't need very much, but wanted to get some for use when camping. I've noticed that you need to have a USFS approved spark arrestor. How do I determine if my saw has that? I believe it already does, but am not sure. I don't want to be the person responsible for starting the next big forest fire. Also, does it matter where you cut wood? I saw on the Coconio NF site, they have restrictions of what type of trees you cut. Do they have designated areas to cut trees for wood? Does anyone have experience with cutting firewood already? What NF and what official(s) are the best for me to contact for more information? To keep this so it isn't totally off-topic, I thought it would be great to cut a log container for a cache. Is anyone aware of such existing caches that use a wood container. I think there are some out there that have been hidden in rocks, but what about logs? Thanks, Virgil Silhanek ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" 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Logs as caches have been done in other states that I know of. I've seen photos on the forums. Do a search on" logs as cache containers" and you should find them.

Virgil Silhanek <silhanek@cox.net> wrote:
This is kind of off-topic, but I thought I'd ask the wealth of knowledge
on this list before I start calling various people. My dad shipped me a
little chainsaw that he no longer uses. So now, I would like to get a
permit to go and cut firewood in the National Forests somewhere. I
don't need very much, but wanted to get some for use when camping.

I've noticed that you need to have a USFS approved spark arrestor. How
do I determine if my saw has that? I believe it already does, but am
not sure. I don't want to be the person responsible for starting the
next big forest fire.

Also, does it matter where you cut wood? I saw on the Coconio NF site,
they have restrictions of what type of trees you cut. Do they have
designated areas to cut trees for wood?

Does anyone have experience with cutting firewood already? What NF and
what off icial(s) are the best for me to contact for more information?

To keep this so it isn't totally off-topic, I thought it would be great
to cut a log container for a cache. Is anyone aware of such existing
caches that use a wood container. I think there are some out there that
have been hidden in rocks, but what about logs?

Thanks,

Virgil Silhanek

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Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-236949045-1063224180=:89860-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 21:16:31 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Bay) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:16:31 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] Message-ID: Sprocket, Looks like you were nailed on a technicality. Also you are three years overdue for hiding an additional 20 caches, come on lets see them. Hahahaha. Me curiosity has been juggled a bit though, were was the first AZ geocache? Someone has to know. ~Eric Crazyebay >From: Bob Renner >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in >Arizona?] >Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:53:37 -0700 (PDT) > >Sprocket, > >Actually, that condition has happened. Three teams >have the honor of finding ALL caches in the state of >Arizona. Bob Renner, stevek, and Gravatite all >accomplished this feat between 9/9/2000 and 10/8/2000. > >There was only 1 cache in Arizona then so it was a >little easier then. > >Just thought I'd throw in a little levity to the >thread. > >Bob > >--- Scott Sparks wrote: > >... > > I'll make this > > promise to anyone who is reading this. The day that > > someone (anyone) > > logs all of the caches in Arizona, I will go out > > that week and hide 20 > > new caches! Anybody up for that challenge? > > > > -- Sprocket > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 21:34:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Cache-Quest) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:34:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] XML Tool References: <004701c377b4$77493190$6901a8c0@JERRY> <3F5F70A8.3020700@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <008601c377e3$4c2d61f0$6901a8c0@JERRY> Jason: You're right of course. I had forgotten that you guys had already done that, but the gpx format is a little limited from a geocaching perspective. The XML files from geocaching.com's pocket query extend the gpx schema with their own groundspeak schema. It includes all the geocaching related data like terrain, container, difficulty, etc. It even includes the full description and recent logs. I don't think you guys have that on any of the format on AZGeocaching.com For personal use the Pocket Query would be great if: 1. Wasn't tied to within 500 miles of a set location. 2. Wasn't limited to 500 caches (although I don't have that many, some do) 3. Had options for what logs to include (recent, all, or only mine) All I really want is all the information on all the caches I've logged in a format (xml) that I can play with. Thanks, Jerry (Cache-Quest) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Poulter" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] XML Tool > if you download the EASYGPS data format of the file it is allready in > gpx format > > jason > > > Team Cache-Quest wrote: > > >Brian, > > > >This looks good and seems to work for me. This opens up some interesting > >possibilities for putting together some XSL to transform it into any format > >anyone wants. > > > >One drawback is that it is based on AZGeocaching data, so it doesn't include > >out of state finds (at least I didn't see any after a quick scan). That is > >one of my most important requirements. The AZGeocaching site is wonderful > >from an AZ perspective, but is an incomplete picture from an individual > >perspective. > > > >The other thing I noticed is that the schema differs from the one used by > >geocaching.com. Using a schema consistent with geocaching.com, would allow > >any transformations to be used against either source. > > > >Please don't take these as critical comments. This is nice work. > > > >Thanks, > >Jerry (Cache-Quest) > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Brian LaFrance" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:53 PM > >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] XML Tool > > > > > > > > > >>So anyway...I got bored tonight. If any of you want to play with a tool > >> > >> > >I'm > > > > > >>working on for generating an XML found list, follow this link: > >> > >>http://www.twogun.com/geocaching/ > >> > >>It's still a beta version, but I figured some of you who would be > >> > >> > >interested > > > > > >>in using it could give me some input on it. I am yet to find an efficient > >>way of collecting dates for the finds, so that is currently missing. > >> > >> > >Maybe > > > > > >>the Snaptek gods could give me some hints/ideas on how to handle getting > >>dates included... > >> > >>Brian > >>Team AZEvil > >> > >> > >>____________________________________________________________ > >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >> > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > >> > >> > >> > > > >____________________________________________________________ > >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 21:42:40 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:42:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c377e4$75ec5fe0$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Me curiosity has been juggled a bit though, were was the first AZ geocache? ~Eric Crazyebay Eric, That would be this one: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=87 Just celebrated its third anniversary yesterday and well worth going after. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 21:59:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Stamm) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:59:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <15C42A2E-E3DA-11D7-B453-000A959F12C6@Comcast.net> I placed my first cache in Big Wash in 1990. Published the coordinates on a burnt, weathered, wrinkled "treasure map," and let my kids "accidently" find it. Oh, you mean official geocache? Well, I just wanted to tell you about the "treasure." On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, at 02:16 PM, Eric Bay wrote: > Me curiosity has been juggled a bit though, were was the first AZ > geocache? From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 23:33:07 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:33:07 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] References: <000001c377e4$75ec5fe0$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <005c01c377f3$e4bdad20$82044bab@fishkiller> GC0057 GEOCACHE placed 9/9/2000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Team Tierra Buena" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] > Me curiosity has been juggled a bit though, were was the first AZ > geocache? > > ~Eric > Crazyebay > > Eric, > That would be this one: > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=87 > > Just celebrated its third anniversary yesterday and well worth going after. > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 23:38:31 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:38:31 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] References: <000001c377e4$75ec5fe0$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> <005c01c377f3$e4bdad20$82044bab@fishkiller> Message-ID: <006401c377f4$a5a9cc80$82044bab@fishkiller> there was to be a birthday attempt but it fell through is anyone else up for the .57 mile desert trek after getting a Bulldog Canyon Permit?? there is a travel bug in it... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regan L Smith" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] > GC0057 GEOCACHE placed 9/9/2000 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Team Tierra Buena" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:42 PM > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] > > > > Me curiosity has been juggled a bit though, were was the first AZ > > geocache? > > > > ~Eric > > Crazyebay > > > > Eric, > > That would be this one: > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=87 > > > > Just celebrated its third anniversary yesterday and well worth going > after. > > > > Steve > > Team Tierra Buena > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 11 01:50:41 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:50:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] References: <000001c377e4$75ec5fe0$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> <005c01c377f3$e4bdad20$82044bab@fishkiller> <006401c377f4$a5a9cc80$82044bab@fishkiller> Message-ID: <007801c37807$1bd73a20$8145b1cf@d3l5d0> Is a permit required for non-motorized, foot travel in Bulldog Canyon? > is anyone else up for the .57 mile desert trek after getting a Bulldog > Canyon Permit?? there is a travel bug in it... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Regan L Smith" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] > > > > GC0057 GEOCACHE placed 9/9/2000 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Team Tierra Buena" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:42 PM > > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in > Arizona?] > > > > > > > Me curiosity has been juggled a bit though, were was the first AZ > > > geocache? > > > > > > ~Eric > > > Crazyebay > > > > > > Eric, > > > That would be this one: > > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=87 > > > > > > Just celebrated its third anniversary yesterday and well worth going > > after. > > > > > > Steve > > > Team Tierra Buena > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 23:55:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:55:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: AZ's 1st. Cache Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C377BC.5F8F7520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eric asked which cache was Arizona's first: I've always understood that the first Arizona cache was Geocache, by Dan = Rich. (GC57) http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D5eb7974c-e0e8-48= a4-8a00-ce16a8e971e5 =20 Rand ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Bay Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:16 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizon= a?] Sprocket, Looks like you were nailed on a technicality. Also you are three ye= ars =20 overdue for hiding an additional 20 caches, come on lets see them. =20 Hahahaha. Me curiosity has been juggled a bit though, where was the firs= t AZ =20 geocache? Someone has to know. ~Eric Crazyebay >From: Bob Renner >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in =20 >Arizona?] >Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:53:37 -0700 (PDT) > >Sprocket, > >Actually, that condition has happened. Three teams >have the honor of finding ALL caches in the state of >Arizona. Bob Renner, stevek, and Gravatite all >accomplished this feat between 9/9/2000 and 10/8/2000. > >There was only 1 cache in Arizona then so it was a >little easier then. > >Just thought I'd throw in a little levity to the >thread. > >Bob > >--- Scott Sparks wrote: > >... > > I'll make this > > promise to anyone who is reading this. The day that > > someone (anyone) > > logs all of the caches in Arizona, I will go out > > that week and hide 20 > > new caches! Anybody up for that challenge? > > > > -- Sprocket ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C377BC.5F8F7520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Eric aske= d which cache was Arizona's first:
 
I've alwa= ys understood that the first Arizona cache was Geocache,= by Dan Rich.  (GC57)
=
 
 
Rand
----- O= riginal Message -----
From: Eric Bay
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:16 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why ve= ry few new caches lately in Arizona?]
 
Sprocket,     Looks like you were nailed on a technicality.&n= bsp; Also you are three years
overdue for hiding an additional 20 cac= hes, come on lets see them. 
Hahahaha.  Me curiosity has be= en juggled a bit though, where was the first AZ
geocache? Som= eone has to know.

~Eric
Crazyebay


>From:= Bob Renner <renner001@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeoca= ching.com
>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>Subject: Re: [Az-Ge= ocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in
>Arizona?]
>= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:53:37 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Sprocket,
&= gt;
>Actually, that condition has happened.  Three teams
&g= t;have the honor of finding ALL caches in the state of
>Arizona.&nb= sp; Bob Renner, stevek, and Gravatite all
>accomplished this feat b= etween 9/9/2000 and 10/8/2000.
>
>There was only 1 cache i= n Arizona then so it was a
>little easier then.
>
>= Just thought I'd throw in a little levity to the
>thread.
>>Bob
>
>--- Scott Sparks <scottsparks1@mchsi.com> = wrote:
> >...
> > I'll make this
> > promise t= o anyone who is reading this.  The day that
> > someone (an= yone)
> > logs all of the caches in Arizona, I will go out
&g= t; > that week and hide 20
> > new caches!  Anybody up f= or that challenge?
> >
> > -- Sprocket
= ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C377BC.5F8F7520-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 10 23:59:53 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:59:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C377BC.F46320C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No permit is required for foot travel into Bulldog Canyon. Rand ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Nelson Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:55 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizon= a?] Is a permit required for non-motorized, foot travel in Bulldog Canyon? > is anyone else up for the .57 mile desert trek after getting a Bulldog > Canyon Permit?? there is a travel bug in it... ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C377BC.F46320C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No permit is r= equired for foot travel into Bulldog Canyon.
 
Rand
 
----- Original Message ----= -
Sent= : Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:55 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new cache= s lately in Arizona?]
 

Is a permit requ= ired for non-motorized, foot travel in Bulldog Canyon?

> is anyone else up for the .57 mile desert trek after getting a Bul= ldog
> Canyon Permit?? there is a travel bug in it...



------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C377BC.F46320C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 11 00:12:47 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:12:47 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] References: Message-ID: <002701c377f9$6ef4b9c0$0500a8c0@one> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C377D7.E7014540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No reason not to pick up the permit. It is free and you just have to go = down to the forest service office in Mesa to get one. Team Sand Dollar. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RAND HARDIN=20 To: AZ-Geocaching=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in = Arizona?] No permit is required for foot travel into Bulldog Canyon. Rand ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Nelson Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:55 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in = Arizona?] Is a permit required for non-motorized, foot travel in Bulldog = Canyon? > is anyone else up for the .57 mile desert trek after getting a = Bulldog > Canyon Permit?? there is a travel bug in it... ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C377D7.E7014540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No reason not to pick up the permit. It is free = and you=20 just have to go down to the forest service office in Mesa to get=20 one.
 
Team Sand Dollar.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 RAND = HARDIN
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, = 2003 7:59=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Re: Why very=20 few new caches lately in Arizona?]

No permit is required for foot travel into Bulldog Canyon.
 
Rand
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, September = 10, 2003=20 4:55 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Re: Why=20 very few new caches lately in Arizona?]
 

Is a permit required for non-motorized, = foot=20 travel in Bulldog Canyon?


> is anyone else up = for the=20 .57 mile desert trek after getting a Bulldog
> Canyon Permit?? = there=20 is a travel bug in=20 it...




------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C377D7.E7014540-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 11 00:16:56 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:16:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cutting firewood in Arizona Message-ID: <20030910171658.14978.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Prescott NF is giving away already down (and cut?) beetle-killed wood, contact the PNF office in Prescott. 928-443-8000 On 10 Sep 2003 10:52:47 -0700, Virgil Silhanek wrote: > > This is kind of off-topic, but I thought I'd ask the wealth of > knowledge > on this list before I start calling various people. My dad shipped me > a > little chainsaw that he no longer uses. So now, I would like to get a > permit to go and cut firewood in the National Forests somewhere. I > don't need very much, but wanted to get some for use when camping. > > I've noticed that you need to have a USFS approved spark arrestor. How > do I determine if my saw has that? I believe it already does, but am > not sure. I don't want to be the person responsible for starting the > next big forest fire. > > Also, does it matter where you cut wood? I saw on the Coconio NF site, > they have restrictions of what type of trees you cut. Do they have > designated areas to cut trees for wood? > > Does anyone have experience with cutting firewood already? What NF and > what official(s) are the best for me to contact for more information? > > To keep this so it isn't totally off-topic, I thought it would be great > to cut a log container for a cache. Is anyone aware of such existing > caches that use a wood container. I think there are some out there > that > have been hidden in rocks, but what about logs? > > Thanks, > > Virgil Silhanek > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 11 00:58:06 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:58:06 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Bulldog Canyon permits Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C377C5.16991660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Bulldon Canyon permits: The forest service office is no longer on MacDonald St. in Mesa. The off= ice moved about a month or so ago to a new location at: 5140 E. Ingram St= , Mesa, AZ 85205. Phone: (480) 610-3300. Rand ----- Original Message ----- From: Loran Wilcox Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:23 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizon= a?] No reason not to pick up the permit. It is free and you just have to go d= own to the forest service office in Mesa to get one. Team Sand Dollar. ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: RAND HARDIN =20 To: AZ-Geocaching =20 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizon= a?] No permit is required for foot travel into Bulldog Canyon. Rand ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C377C5.16991660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
RE: Bulldon Canyon permits:
 
The forest service office is no l= onger on MacDonald St. in Mesa.  The office moved about a month or s= o ago to a new location at: 5140 E. Ingram St, Mesa, AZ 8520= 5.  Phone: (480) 610-3300.
&nbs= p;
Rand
 
----- Original= Message -----
From: Loran Wilcox
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:23 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very = few new caches lately in Arizona?]
 
No reason not to pick up the permit. It is free and you= just have to go down to the forest service office in Mesa to get one.
 
Team Sand Dollar.
 
----- Original Message ----- <= /DIV>
Sent: We= dnesday, September 10, 2003 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately i= n Arizona?]

No permit is required for = foot travel into Bulldog Canyon.
 
Ra= nd
 
 
------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C377C5.16991660-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 11 02:23:03 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Henson) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:23:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] September 20 - Prescott Breakfast Cache Event Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-4--959562071 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Hopefully, this event cache will be approved soon? Prescott Breakfast Cache Event This cache has not been approved yet. Once it is approved, it will be=20 listed on the site. N 34=B0 33.814 W 112=B0 29.350 (WGS84) Note:To use the services of geocaching.com, you must agree to the terms=20= and conditions in our disclaimer.(ratings out of 5 stars. 1 is easiest,=20= 5 is hardest) Difficulty:=A0 *=A0 Terrain:=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0*=A0 September 20 - Prescott Breakfast Cache Event September 20 - 7:00 - 9:30 AM Prescott Geocachers have decided it is time get together for an Event=20 Cache in Prescott. This will be an opportunity to meet and chat with=20 fellow cachers. A special invitation is given to Embry-Riddle University students.=20 Several members of ERGC have logged finds in the Prescott area. The coordinates should take you to near the front door of Pete=92s = Family=20 Restaurant. The event will run from 7:00 AM until 9:30 AM. There will=20 be .50 caliber ammo can (cache) with a log book present. Please sign=20 the log, and if you feel like it bring something for the cache. There=20 will be a drawing for the cache at 9:00 AM. Hopefully, the winner will=20= place the cache somewhere in the Prescott area. The staff of the restaurant request that participants order something=20 to eat. There will not be any charge for the use of the facilities. The dates for the Yavapai County Fair are September 18 - 21. The fair=20 might be something some people might like to do after the event cache. Another possibility would be for a group of cachers with 4x4 vehicles=20 to do the caches west of Mt. Union and east of US 89. If anyone is=20 interested in going to these let Lincoln (Ken) know at the breakfast. Hope to see a few cachers at this event. ~ Lincoln --Apple-Mail-4--959562071 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 VerdanaHopefully, this event cache will be approved soon? Prescott Breakfast Cache = EventFFFF,0000,0000 This cache has not been approved yet. Once it is approved, it will be listed on the site. N 34=B0 33.814 W 112=B0 29.350 (WGS84) Note:To use the services of geocaching.com, you must agree to the terms and conditions 0000,0000,FFFFin our = disclaimer.Verdana(ratings out of 5 stars. 1 is easiest, 5 is = hardest)Times New = Roman = VerdanaDifficult= y:=A0 *=A0 Terrain:=A0Times New Roman =A0=A0=A0=A0*=A0 = VerdanaSeptember= 20 - Prescott Breakfast Cache Event September 20 - 7:00 - 9:30 AM Prescott Geocachers have decided it is time get together for an Event Cache in Prescott. This will be an opportunity to meet and chat with fellow cachers.=20 A special invitation is given to Embry-Riddle University students. Several members of ERGC have logged finds in the Prescott area.=20 The coordinates should take you to near the front door of Pete=92s Family Restaurant. The event will run from 7:00 AM until 9:30 AM. There will be .50 caliber ammo can (cache) with a log book present. Please sign the log, and if you feel like it bring something for the cache. There will be a drawing for the cache at 9:00 AM. Hopefully, the winner will place the cache somewhere in the Prescott area. The staff of the restaurant request that participants order something to eat. There will not be any charge for the use of the facilities. The dates for the Yavapai County Fair are September 18 - 21. The fair might be something some people might like to do after the event cache. Another possibility would be for a group of cachers with 4x4 vehicles to do the caches west of Mt. Union and east of US 89. If anyone is interested in going to these let Lincoln (Ken) know at the breakfast. Hope to see a few cachers at this event. ~ Lincoln = --Apple-Mail-4--959562071-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 11 02:38:05 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:38:05 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] Message-ID: <20030911023811.RCAZ1598.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Nope. Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Jerry Nelson" > Date: 2003/09/10 Wed PM 09:50:41 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] > > > Is a permit required for non-motorized, foot travel in Bulldog Canyon? > > > > is anyone else up for the .57 mile desert trek after getting a Bulldog > > Canyon Permit?? there is a travel bug in it... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Regan L Smith" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in > Arizona?] > > > > > > > GC0057 GEOCACHE placed 9/9/2000 > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Team Tierra Buena" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:42 PM > > > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in > > Arizona?] > > > > > > > > > > Me curiosity has been juggled a bit though, were was the first AZ > > > > geocache? > > > > > > > > ~Eric > > > > Crazyebay > > > > > > > > Eric, > > > > That would be this one: > > > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=87 > > > > > > > > Just celebrated its third anniversary yesterday and well worth going > > > after. > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > Team Tierra Buena > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 11 03:05:28 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:05:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in Message-ID: <3F5FE678.2070704@mchsi.com> Sorry, my challenge isn't retroactive. ;-) -- Sprocket >Sprocket, > Looks like you were nailed on a technicality. Also you are three years >overdue for hiding an additional 20 caches, come on lets see them. >Hahahaha. Me curiosity has been juggled a bit though, were was the first AZ >geocache? Someone has to know. > >~Eric >Crazyebay > > > > >>>From: Bob Renner >>>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >>>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >>>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in >>>Arizona?] >>>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:53:37 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>>Sprocket, >>> >>>Actually, that condition has happened. Three teams >>>have the honor of finding ALL caches in the state of >>>Arizona. Bob Renner, stevek, and Gravatite all >>>accomplished this feat between 9/9/2000 and 10/8/2000. >>> >>>There was only 1 cache in Arizona then so it was a >>>little easier then. >>> >>>Just thought I'd throw in a little levity to the >>>thread. >>> >>>Bob >> From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 11 03:36:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in In-Reply-To: <3F5FE678.2070704@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20030911033643.80903.qmail@web14810.mail.yahoo.com> --0-266254695-1063251403=:80503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can we vote on this? We vote "yes" to retroactive offer. Scott Sparks wrote: Sorry, my challenge isn't retroactive. ;-) -- Sprocket >Sprocket, > Looks like you were nailed on a technicality. Also you are three years >overdue for hiding an additional 20 caches, come on lets see them. >Hahahaha. Me curiosity has been juggled a bit though, were was the first AZ >geocache? Someone has to know. > >~Eric >Crazyebay > > > > >>>From: Bob Renner >>>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >>>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >>>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in >>>Arizona?] >>>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:53:37 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>>Sprocket, >>> >>>Actually, that condition has happened. Three teams >>>have the honor of finding ALL caches in the state of >>>Arizona. Bob Renner, stevek, and Gravatite all >>>accomplished this feat between 9/9/2000 and 10/8/2000. >>> >>>There was only 1 cache in Arizona then so it was a >>>little easier then. >>> >>>Just thought I'd throw in a little levity to the >>>thread. >>> >>>Bob >> ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Can we vote on this?
 
We vote "yes" to retroactive offer.

Scott Sparks <scottsparks1@mchsi.com> wrote:
Sorry, my challenge isn't retroactive. ;-)

-- Sprocket

>Sprocket,
> Looks like you were nailed on a technicality. Also you are three years
>overdue for hiding an additional 20 caches, come on lets see them.
>Hahahaha. Me curiosity has been juggled a bit though, were was the first AZ
>geocache? Someone has to know.
>
>~Eric
>Crazyebay
>
>
>
>
>>>From: Bob Renner
>>>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>>>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why very few new caches lately in
>>>Arizona?]
>>>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:53:37 -0700 (PDT)
>>>
>>>Sprocket,
>>>
>>>Actually, that condition has happened. Three teams
>>>hav e the honor of finding ALL caches in the state of
>>>Arizona. Bob Renner, stevek, and Gravatite all
>>>accomplished this feat between 9/9/2000 and 10/8/2000.
>>>
>>>There was only 1 cache in Arizona then so it was a
>>>little easier then.
>>>
>>>Just thought I'd throw in a little levity to the
>>>thread.
>>>
>>>Bob
>>


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Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-266254695-1063251403=:80503-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 11 05:14:23 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:14:23 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona? Message-ID: <3F934DAF.26152AA4.00820E17@aol.com> -Bill Tomlinson wrote: "Maybe we should all just move to Utah." This doesn't sound like too bad of an idea at this point, considering it snowed today on the Wasatch mountains just east of Salt Lake City! Someone please remind me why people live here!? From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 11 05:23:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Endorsement of Prescott breakfast event Message-ID: <20030911052316.54906.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1034393476-1063257796=:54334 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would like to thank Lincoln for organizing this proposed Prescott breakfast event cache. I highly recommend that all Phoenix-area geocachers make a trip to Prescott to attend this event. After the breakfast, you can then go out and visit several of the wide variety of caches in the Prescott area. Concerned about the high price of gasoline? Find some other geocachers and carpool together, and split the cost of fuel. The weather and scenery in the Prescott area is great at this time of year. Once you spend a day geocaching in the Prescott area, you'll definitely be coming back to that area for more caching during subsequent weekends. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-1034393476-1063257796=:54334 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I would like to thank Lincoln for organizing this proposed Prescott breakfast event cache.  I highly recommend that all Phoenix-area geocachers make a trip to Prescott to attend this event.  After the breakfast, you can then go out and visit several of the wide variety of caches in the Prescott area. 
 
Concerned about the high price of gasoline?  Find some other geocachers and carpool together, and split the cost of fuel.  The weather and scenery in the Prescott area is great at this time of year.  Once you spend a day geocaching in the Prescott area, you'll definitely be coming back to that area for more caching during subsequent weekends.
 
Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)
--0-1034393476-1063257796=:54334-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 11 06:51:56 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian LaFrance) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:51:56 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Endorsement of Prescott breakfast event In-Reply-To: <20030911052316.54906.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c37831$30efac10$0000fea9@starvinmarvin> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C377F6.8490D410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last time I Geocached in the Prescott area, it was dark (8 or 9 at night), snowy, windy, and we were looking for Bradshaw City Cemetary( http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=397e7af8-f36d-4de 9-9ab4-83e8568058c7 )...which we found...but I have now lost the answers to the questions, so I will have to go back. It was a nice hike though. Little creepy being there at night...maybe that could be a possible location for next years Halloween cache. Brian Team AZEvil -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken Akerman Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:23 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Endorsement of Prescott breakfast event I would like to thank Lincoln for organizing this proposed Prescott breakfast event cache. I highly recommend that all Phoenix-area geocachers make a trip to Prescott to attend this event. After the breakfast, you can then go out and visit several of the wide variety of caches in the Prescott area. Concerned about the high price of gasoline? Find some other geocachers and carpool together, and split the cost of fuel. The weather and scenery in the Prescott area is great at this time of year. Once you spend a day geocaching in the Prescott area, you'll definitely be coming back to that area for more caching during subsequent weekends. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C377F6.8490D410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Last=20 time I Geocached in the Prescott area, it was dark (8 or 9 at night), = snowy,=20 windy, and we were looking for Bradshaw City Cemetary( http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detail= s.aspx?guid=3D397e7af8-f36d-4de9-9ab4-83e8568058c7=20 )...which we found...but I have now lost the answers to the questions, = so I will=20 have to go back.  It was a nice hike though.  Little creepy = being=20 there at night...maybe that could be a possible location for next years=20 Halloween cache.
 
Brian
Team=20 AZEvil
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Ken=20 Akerman
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:23 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Endorsement = of=20 Prescott breakfast event

I would like to thank Lincoln for organizing this proposed Prescott = breakfast event cache.  I highly recommend that all Phoenix-area = geocachers=20 make a trip to Prescott to attend this event.  After the breakfast, = you can=20 then go out and visit several of the wide variety of caches in the = Prescott=20 area. 
 
Concerned about the high price of gasoline?  Find some other=20 geocachers and carpool together, and split the cost of fuel.  The = weather=20 and scenery in the Prescott area is great at this time of year.  = Once you=20 spend a day geocaching in the Prescott area, you'll definitely be coming = back to=20 that area for more caching during subsequent weekends.
 
Ken (a.k.a.=20 Highpointer)
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C377F6.8490D410-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 11 13:03:09 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 06:03:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Why people live in AZ References: <3F934DAF.26152AA4.00820E17@aol.com> Message-ID: <001801c37865$0fe43570$319c4094@BILLPC> You hit the nail on the head. I live here BECAUSE it didn't snow on any of our mountains today. I like the warm Arizona summers, and I really appreciate the fact that I don't own a snow shovel. In the summer, if I miss the cool, I can just drive uphill a bit and there it is: cool temps, spruce trees, etc. In the winter, if I really miss snow (not likely), I can do the same thing. The ocean is even pretty close. Bill in Willcox ----- Original Message ----- From: > -Bill Tomlinson wrote: > "Maybe we should all just move to Utah." > > This doesn't sound like too bad of an idea at this point, considering it snowed today on the Wasatch mountains just east of Salt Lake City! Someone please remind me why people live here!? From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 11 13:10:54 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 06:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11 Message-ID: <20030911131054.36329.qmail@web14812.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1067369856-1063285854=:36059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There are no words for this day. Anyone else having a tough time with it? Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking 9/11 Never Forget --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1067369856-1063285854=:36059 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
There are no words for this day. Anyone else having a tough time with it?


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
 
9/11   Never Forget

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1067369856-1063285854=:36059-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 11 13:55:21 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (General Bracket) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 06:55:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11 References: <20030911131054.36329.qmail@web14812.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c3786c$5780dd50$800101df@terry9fe3hpa3o> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C37831.AAFD6650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm of the opinion that one of the very things that makes us Americans = is that we are able move past these types of tragedies and remember them = for what they are, which in this case is the great and sometimes = terrible price that we pay for our freedom. I remember 9/11. Am I having a tough time with it? No. I remember = that my fellow countrymen paid for my freedom with their blood, and it = makes me proud of them and forever grateful. Freedom isn't cheap, and = those who pay the price in your stead deserve your pride and respect, = not your sorrow or pity (NOT implying that Gale is not prideful or = respectful). 9/11 for me is at once both a terrible and great moment in = our history. Not only did it demonstrate what freedom costs, it also = demonstrated what freedom has made us; virtually indestructible in the = face of insurmountable tragedy and loss. I remember an interview with the wife of a man who had fought back = against hijackers. He had called her on the phone moments before taking = action. It was an act which inevitably led to the his death. This = woman had lost her husband and the father of her child. She wasn't = tearful or sad. She was smiling and proud, and it showed through very = clearly. That about sums up how I feel, and how I think others should = feel. =20 Stand tall people. Remember 9/11 for testing our mettle, and us having = passed the test with flying colors. -- Terry Hernlund/General Bracket ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gale Draper=20 To: list=20 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:10 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11 There are no words for this day. Anyone else having a tough time with = it? Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking 9/11 Never Forget=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C37831.AAFD6650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm of the opinion that one of the very = things that=20 makes us Americans is that we are able move past these types of = tragedies and=20 remember them for what they are, which in this case = is the great and=20 sometimes terrible price that we pay for our freedom.
 
I remember 9/11.  Am I having a = tough time=20 with it?  No.  I remember that my fellow countrymen paid for = my=20 freedom with their blood, and it makes me proud of them and forever=20 grateful.  Freedom isn't cheap, = and those=20 who pay the price in your stead deserve your pride and respect, not your = sorrow=20 or pity (NOT implying that Gale is not prideful or respectful).  = 9/11 for=20 me is at once both a terrible and great moment in our history.  Not = only=20 did it demonstrate what freedom costs, it also demonstrated what freedom = has=20 made us; virtually indestructible in the face of insurmountable tragedy = and=20 loss.
 
I remember an interview with the wife = of a man who=20 had fought back against hijackers.  He had called her on the phone = moments=20 before taking action.  It was an act which inevitably led to = the his=20 death.  This woman had lost her husband and the father of her = child. =20 She wasn't tearful or sad.  She was smiling and proud, and it = showed=20 through very clearly.  That about sums up how I feel, and how I = think=20 others should feel. 
 
Stand tall people.  Remember 9/11 = for testing=20 our mettle, and us having passed the test with flying = colors.
 
--
 
Terry Hernlund/General = Bracket
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C37831.AAFD6650-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 11 16:12:23 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:12:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Endorsement of Prescott breakfast event Message-ID: <20030911091224.14103.h012.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Thanks Ken! And HEY, Tean DAsh, does this partially answer your question? I know why I live in AZ....Prescott is gorgeous! I don't need to move to Utah... Trisha On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:23:16 -0700 (PDT), Ken Akerman wrote: I would like to thank Lincoln for organizing this proposed Prescott breakfast event cache.  I highly recommend that all Phoenix-area geocachers make a trip to Prescott to attend this event.  After the breakfast, you can then go out and visit several of the wide variety of caches in the Prescott area.    Concerned about the high price of gasoline?  Find some other geocachers and carpool together, and split the cost of fuel.  The weather and scenery in the Prescott area is great at this time of year.  Once you spend a day geocaching in the Prescott area, you'll definitely be coming back to that area for more caching during subsequent weekends.   Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 11 16:17:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:17:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Endorsement of Prescott breakfast event Message-ID: <20030911091702.12511.h012.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Just to clarify, "Bradshaw City Cemetary" is ...well...not exactly that close to Prescott proper. It's quite a long drive to the Crwon King area, altho well worth effort! There are PLENTY of good caches in the actual Prescott area for people to seek. Trisha On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:51:56 -0700, "Brian LaFrance" wrote: Message Last time I Geocached in the Prescott area, it was dark (8 or 9 at night), snowy, windy, and we were looking for Bradshaw City Cemetary( http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=397e7af8-f36d-4de9-9ab4-83e8568058c7 )...which we found...but I have now lost the answers to the questions, so I will have to go back.  It was a nice hike though.  Little creepy being there at night...maybe that could be a possible location for next years Halloween cache.   Brian Team AZEvil     -----Original Message-----From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken AkermanSent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:23 PMTo: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject: [Az-Geocaching] Endorsement of Prescott breakfast event I would like to thank Lincoln for organizing this proposed Prescott breakfast event cache.  I highly recommend that all Phoenix-area geocachers make a trip to Prescott to attend this event.  After the breakfast, you can then go out and visit several of the wide variety of caches in the Prescott area.    Concerned about the high price of gasoline?  Find some other geocachers and carpool together, and split the cost of fuel.  The weather and scenery in the Prescott area is great at this time of year.  Once you spend a day geocaching in the Prescott area, you'll definitely be coming back to that area for more caching during subsequent weekends.   Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 11 16:23:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Henson) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:23:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Endorsement of Prescott breakfast event In-Reply-To: <20030911091224.14103.h012.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <54B727A6-E474-11D7-AB2B-000393A13A32@cableone.net> http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=91725 This event cache is now posted and official. ~ Ken From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 12 00:58:19 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:58:19 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Highpointer(s) Message-ID: <20030912005817.IXJQ10480.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Ok, I've looked at Highpointer's name for awhile and wondered what it meant, but never thought to ask. The picture in his profile is a giveaway (I realize that now), but an article in the Tribune today opened my eyes up to its meaning. I thought it was a pretty interesting article myself. http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=9741 Brian Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 12 02:36:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:36:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11 In-Reply-To: <002801c3786c$5780dd50$800101df@terry9fe3hpa3o> Message-ID: <000e01c378d6$a7b99e00$1e01a8c0@connie> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3789B.FB5AC600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EXTREMELY well said Terry. I agree 100% with your statement. --Connie Team "Wyle E" -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of General Bracket Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:55 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11 I'm of the opinion that one of the very things that makes us Americans is that we are able move past these types of tragedies and remember them for what they are, which in this case is the great and sometimes terrible price that we pay for our freedom. I remember 9/11. Am I having a tough time with it? No. I remember that my fellow countrymen paid for my freedom with their blood, and it makes me proud of them and forever grateful. Freedom isn't cheap, and those who pay the price in your stead deserve your pride and respect, not your sorrow or pity (NOT implying that Gale is not prideful or respectful). 9/11 for me is at once both a terrible and great moment in our history. Not only did it demonstrate what freedom costs, it also demonstrated what freedom has made us; virtually indestructible in the face of insurmountable tragedy and loss. I remember an interview with the wife of a man who had fought back against hijackers. He had called her on the phone moments before taking action. It was an act which inevitably led to the his death. This woman had lost her husband and the father of her child. She wasn't tearful or sad. She was smiling and proud, and it showed through very clearly. That about sums up how I feel, and how I think others should feel. Stand tall people. Remember 9/11 for testing our mettle, and us having passed the test with flying colors. -- Terry Hernlund/General Bracket ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Draper To: list Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:10 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11 There are no words for this day. Anyone else having a tough time with it? Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking 9/11 Never Forget ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3789B.FB5AC600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EXTREMELY well said Terry. I agree 100% with your=20 statement.
--Connie
Team=20 "Wyle E"
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 General Bracket
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:55=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11

I'm of the opinion that one of the = very things=20 that makes us Americans is that we are able move past these types of = tragedies=20 and remember them for what they are, which in this case = is the great=20 and sometimes terrible price that we pay for our freedom.
 
I remember 9/11.  Am I having a = tough time=20 with it?  No.  I remember that my fellow countrymen paid for = my=20 freedom with their blood, and it makes me proud of them and forever=20 grateful.  Freedom isn't = cheap, and those=20 who pay the price in your stead deserve your pride and respect, not = your=20 sorrow or pity (NOT implying that Gale is not prideful or = respectful). =20 9/11 for me is at once both a terrible and great moment in our = history. =20 Not only did it demonstrate what freedom costs, it also demonstrated = what=20 freedom has made us; virtually indestructible in the face of = insurmountable=20 tragedy and loss.
 
I remember an interview with the wife = of a man=20 who had fought back against hijackers.  He had called her on the = phone=20 moments before taking action.  It was an act which inevitably led = to=20 the his death.  This woman had lost her husband and the = father of=20 her child.  She wasn't tearful or sad.  She was smiling = and=20 proud, and it showed through very clearly.  That about sums up = how I=20 feel, and how I think others should feel. 
 
Stand tall people.  Remember = 9/11 for=20 testing our mettle, and us having passed the test with flying=20 colors.
 
--
 
Terry Hernlund/General = Bracket
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gale Draper
To: list
Sent: Thursday, September 11, = 2003 6:10=20 AM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] off=20 topic-9/11

There are no words for this day. Anyone else having a tough = time with=20 it?


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
 
9/11   Never Forget=20

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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3789B.FB5AC600-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 12 06:26:01 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:26:01 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Norton screwup Message-ID: <001801c378f6$bc7f4090$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C378BC.100D55C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone sent me e-mail today, NAV went berserk and killed ALL e-mails = I got today (15+). I read them from work, but don't have the = information anymore. If you sent anything my way, please re-send. Thanks Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C378BC.100D55C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If anyone sent me e-mail today, NAV = went berserk=20 and killed ALL e-mails I got today (15+).  I read them from work, = but don't=20 have the information anymore.  If you sent anything my way, please=20 re-send.
 
Thanks
 
Brian
Team A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C378BC.100D55C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 12 16:32:38 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Norton screwup In-Reply-To: <001801c378f6$bc7f4090$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <20030912163238.90343.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> I'm waiting for you to send me the waypoints! Guy --- Brian Casteel wrote: > If anyone sent me e-mail today, NAV went berserk and > killed ALL e-mails I got today (15+). I read them > from work, but don't have the information anymore. > If you sent anything my way, please re-send. > > Thanks > > Brian > Team A.I. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 12 19:51:42 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Highpointers' Article In-Reply-To: <200309121905.MAA10045@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: <20030912195142.60202.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1037587632-1063396302=:59583 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thank you for posting this article, Brian. I've done all of the county high points of Arizona and I have found caches near the summits of several of them (i.e. Mt. Lemmon in Pima County, Mt. Union of Yavapai County, and Harquahala Mountain of La Paz County), plus two ascents of Humphreys Peak to claim two different virtuals at the summit (active at different times). I've also found geocaches near county high points in other states, such as Utah and Colorado. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) Ok, I've looked at Highpointer's name for awhile and wondered what it meant, but never thought to ask. The picture in his profile is a giveaway (I realize that now), but an article in the Tribune today opened my eyes up to its meaning. I thought it was a pretty interesting article myself. --0-1037587632-1063396302=:59583 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thank you for posting this article, Brian.  I've done all of the county high points of Arizona and I have found caches near the summits of several of them (i.e. Mt. Lemmon in Pima County, Mt. Union of Yavapai County, and Harquahala Mountain of La Paz County), plus two ascents of Humphreys Peak to claim two different virtuals at the summit (active at different times).   I've also found geocaches near county high points in other states, such as Utah and Colorado.
 
Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)

Ok, I've looked at Highpointer's name for awhile and wondered what it meant, but never thought to ask. The picture in his profile is a giveaway (I realize that now), but an article in the Tribune today opened my eyes up to its meaning. I thought it was a pretty interesting article myself.
--0-1037587632-1063396302=:59583-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 12 20:15:31 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] first to find at an out of the way cache Message-ID: <20030912201531.78712.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com> --0-360538277-1063397731=:78521 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I thought some of you might be interested in this first to find. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=87682 Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-360538277-1063397731=:78521 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I thought some of you might be interested in this first to find.
 


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-360538277-1063397731=:78521-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 12 20:53:40 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:53:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] first to find at an out of the way cache In-Reply-To: <20030912201531.78712.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c3796f$f28921f0$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C37935.462A49F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought some of you might be interested in this first to find. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=87682 Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking I guess this was exempted from the "vacation cache" rule. :-) But, those folks over there are hardly on vacation. Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C37935.462A49F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

I thought some of you might be interested in = this first to find.

 

 

Tsegi Mike and Desert = Viking

 

I guess this was exempted from the = “vacation cache” rule. J But, those folks over there are hardly on = vacation.

 

Steve

Team Tierra Buena

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C37935.462A49F0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 12 21:07:40 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:07:40 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] first to find at an out of the way cache Message-ID: <0C432F24.2FECD43E.0013DAD2@aol.com> In a message dated 9/12/2003 4:53:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TeamTierraBuena@earthlink.net writes: No, it is more of a "Business Trip" than a vacation( I would imagine) > > > I guess this was exempted from the “vacation > cache†rule. J But, those folks over there are hardly on > vacation. > > > > Steve > > Team Tierra Buena > > > > > > > > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 12 23:14:47 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) Message-ID: <20030912231447.68462.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1443972539-1063408487=:68403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am self-imposing a limited lifespan on my physical caches. They will be pulled and archived after a set amount of time passes, in order that I may keep my hiding techniques fresh and offer the local cachers the continuous challenges of new finds. Additionally, this move will keep any environmental damage around a site to a minimum. Jeff of TEAM 360. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1443972539-1063408487=:68403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I am self-imposing a limited lifespan on my physical caches. They will be pulled and archived after a set amount of time passes, in order that I may keep my hiding techniques fresh and offer the local cachers the continuous challenges of new finds. Additionally, this move will keep any environmental damage around a site to a minimum.
Jeff of TEAM 360.

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1443972539-1063408487=:68403-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 12 23:33:49 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Randy Kinkel) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:33:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) References: <20030912231447.68462.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c37986$51db2200$6401a8c0@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3794B.A4F60300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is an interesting idea, Team 360, I think your reasons are good and = valid, but what about your many caches that people really like and that = are really great? I still need to try Super Stealth and never found = "Emerald" (which is now "Needle")! just curious, what made you decide = to do this? Mozartman ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J H/TEAM 360=20 To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:14 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) I am self-imposing a limited lifespan on my physical caches. They will = be pulled and archived after a set amount of time passes, in order that = I may keep my hiding techniques fresh and offer the local cachers the = continuous challenges of new finds. Additionally, this move will keep = any environmental damage around a site to a minimum. Jeff of TEAM 360. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3794B.A4F60300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is an interesting idea, Team 360, = I think your=20 reasons are good and valid, but what about your many caches that people = really=20 like and that are really great?  I still need to try Super Stealth = and=20 never found "Emerald" (which is now "Needle")!  just curious, what = made you=20 decide to do this?
 
Mozartman
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J = H/TEAM=20 360
To: az-geocaching@lis= tserv.azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Friday, September 12, = 2003 4:14=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no=20 subject)

I am self-imposing a = limited lifespan=20 on my physical caches. They will be pulled and archived after a set = amount of=20 time passes, in order that I may keep my hiding techniques fresh and = offer the=20 local cachers the continuous challenges of new finds. Additionally, = this move=20 will keep any environmental damage around a site to a=20 minimum.
Jeff of TEAM = 360.

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Yahoo!=20 SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design=20 software ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3794B.A4F60300-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 12 23:41:23 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian LaFrance) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:41:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20030912231447.68462.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01c37987$5fd55c30$0000fea9@starvinmarvin> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3794C.B3768430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like a reasonable idea. I might suggest (you've probably thought of this already) posting an expiration date on each one. That way, people who want to go look for them don't put them off too long. Brian -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of J H/TEAM 360 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:15 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) I am self-imposing a limited lifespan on my physical caches. They will be pulled and archived after a set amount of time passes, in order that I may keep my hiding techniques fresh and offer the local cachers the continuous challenges of new finds. Additionally, this move will keep any environmental damage around a site to a minimum. Jeff of TEAM 360. _____ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3794C.B3768430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Sounds=20 like a reasonable idea.  I might suggest (you've probably thought = of this=20 already) posting an expiration date on each one.  That way, people = who want=20 to go look for them don't put them off too long.  =
 
Brian
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = J=20 H/TEAM 360
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:15 = PM
To:=20 az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: = [Az-Geocaching] (no=20 subject)

I am self-imposing a limited = lifespan on=20 my physical caches. They will be pulled and archived after a set amount = of time=20 passes, in order that I may keep my hiding techniques fresh and offer = the local=20 cachers the continuous challenges of new finds. Additionally, this move = will=20 keep any environmental damage around a site to a = minimum.
Jeff of TEAM = 360.

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Yahoo!=20 SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design = software ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3794C.B3768430-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 13 00:02:29 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <001e01c37987$5fd55c30$0000fea9@starvinmarvin> Message-ID: <20030913000229.94561.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> --0-115102828-1063411349=:92934 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree with listing an expiration date. (I don't think I quite agree with the need to have a finite life for each cache, but that is the choice of the owner. Some caches I think are too good to have a limited lifespan.) Please do list the date you plan to pull. That would certainly help the rest of us know how long we have to get it. Brian LaFrance wrote:Sounds like a reasonable idea. I might suggest (you've probably thought of this already) posting an expiration date on each one. That way, people who want to go look for them don't put them off too long. Brian -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of J H/TEAM 360 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:15 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) I am self-imposing a limited lifespan on my physical caches. They will be pulled and archived after a set amount of time passes, in order that I may keep my hiding techniques fresh and offer the local cachers the continuous challenges of new finds. Additionally, this move will keep any environmental damage around a site to a minimum. Jeff of TEAM 360. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-115102828-1063411349=:92934 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I agree with listing an expiration date. (I don't think I quite agree with the need to have a finite life for each cache, but that is the choice of the owner. Some caches I think are too good to have a limited lifespan.) Please do list the date you plan to pull. That would certainly help the rest of us know how long we have to get it. 

Brian LaFrance <brian@brianlafrance.com> wrote:
Sounds like a reasonable idea.  I might suggest (you've probably thought of this already) posting an expiration date on each one.  That way, people who want to go look for them don't put them off too long. 
 
Brian
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of J H/TEAM 360
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:15 PM
To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject)

I am self-imposing a limited lifespan on my physical caches. They will be pulled and archived after a set amount of time passes, in order that I may keep my hiding techniques fresh and offer the local cachers the continuous challenges of new finds. Additionally, this move will keep any environmental damage around a site to a minimum.
Jeff of TEAM 360.

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Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-115102828-1063411349=:92934-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 13 00:06:50 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:06:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Thank You Snaptech Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------=_NextPartTM-000-563340bb-a118-44c2-a046-e874ca1cafeb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3798A.EDF7E5C0" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3798A.EDF7E5C0 Content-Type: text/plain I just wanted to say, I just used the custom book for the caches (off the Team page) and the improvements to check all , or how they are unchecked, is great. Like always you guys make this so much easier. Thanks Denny Tres Hombres ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3798A.EDF7E5C0 Content-Type: text/html
 I just wanted to say,
I just used the custom book for the caches (off the Team page) and the improvements to check all , or how they are unchecked,
is great.
 
Like always you guys make this so much easier.
 
Thanks
Denny
Tres Hombres

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3798A.EDF7E5C0-- ------=_NextPartTM-000-563340bb-a118-44c2-a046-e874ca1cafeb-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 13 00:28:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) Message-ID: <20030913002851.22365.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2004155273-1063412931=:21568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii About the self-imposed lifespan of my caches: not to worry too much, I am thinking of leaving them out for 6 months. Let's face it, most cachers will have hit it by then. Then I pull and archive it, and come up with a different type of cache in a different spot. Emerald had to go, the tree in which it was placed got bare and you could see it just hanging there by itself. After my visit with Dave Ulmer, I am convinced he is right about putting a limited amount of time on caches. this way it keeps the game fresh, and cuts way down on cache maintenance, geo-litter from abandoned caches, and damage to the surrounding environment. It will also keep me on my toes to constantly come up with a sneakier cache, to fool you better. Jeff of TEAM 360. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-2004155273-1063412931=:21568 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
About the self-imposed lifespan of my caches: not to worry too much, I am thinking of leaving them out for 6 months. Let's face it, most cachers will have hit it by then. Then I pull and archive it, and come up with a different type of cache in a different spot. Emerald had to go, the tree in which it was placed got bare and you could see it just hanging there by itself. After my visit with Dave Ulmer, I am convinced he is right about putting a limited amount of time on caches. this way it keeps the game fresh, and cuts way down on cache maintenance, geo-litter from abandoned caches, and damage to the surrounding environment. It will also keep me on my toes to constantly come up with a sneakier cache, to fool you better.
Jeff of TEAM 360.

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-2004155273-1063412931=:21568-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 13 00:37:15 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20030913002851.22365.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030913003715.46079.qmail@web14802.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1107627971-1063413435=:46014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii J H/TEAM 360 wrote: It will also keep me on my toes to constantly come up with a sneakier cache, to fool you better. You're killing my few remaining brain cells. Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1107627971-1063413435=:46014 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


J H/TEAM 360 <team360wwg@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
It will also keep me on my toes to constantly come up with a sneakier cache, to fool you better.
 
 
You're killing my few remaining brain cells.


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1107627971-1063413435=:46014-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 13 01:00:57 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:00:57 -0600 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: 4 Corners Cachers BBQ References: <200309130045.RAA11502@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: <002001c37992$7ec79120$08ca0043@htfl701> All Arizona cachers up for an excellent adventure meet tommorrow for the 4 Corners Cachers BBQ I know it's really short notice, As I have been reading your posts all month Kind of feels like I'm getting to know some of you already I'm bringing the ribs, jello salad, and the homemade rootbeer we also have several fun/interesting activities planned The weather is excellent, and there is a touch of fall in the air with all the moisture we have been getting lately it is shaping up really nice Promises to be a wonderful weekend! So If your not too busy tomorrow, stick a crowbar in the ATM, get some cash, buy some fuel, come on over and check out some the great caches we have in the 4 corners area maybe eat some ribs, drink some rootbeer, and have a great day! If your up for it, we'd love to see you there! http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=d85f6594-2033-4051-81 a4-b2a85e12b430 keep on caching! and always remember..... It's all fun and games til somebody gets their eye poked out! Pablo1111 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 13 02:34:40 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:34:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Prescott Event Cache Message-ID: <00cf01c3799f$968586c0$e2044bab@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C37964.E90957E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just thinking of anyone wanting to carpool up that way ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C37964.E90957E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
just thinking of anyone wanting to = carpool  up=20 that way
------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C37964.E90957E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 13 05:32:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:32:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) Message-ID: 6 months seems kinda short...perhaps 1 year. Some wilderness caches dont see but a few visits in that time. I do agree with the limited life though. There are just too many caches out there. Many which were placed by cachers not even in the game anymore. I thought about 1 year on my cache...RTW-1... but since there has only been like a dozen visits on it in just about one year now, I guess it will stay awhile yet! :) So, for those who found my first cache to be too easy.... soon we shall place RTW-2! Stay tuned! :) Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 13 06:23:13 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 23:23:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11 References: <000e01c378d6$a7b99e00$1e01a8c0@connie> Message-ID: <00ec01c379bf$82f7acd0$91f50244@cx301817d> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E9_01C37984.D6728820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TB6C9 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: connie.farquhar@cox.net=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 7:36 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11 EXTREMELY well said Terry. I agree 100% with your statement. --Connie Team "Wyle E" -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = General Bracket Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:55 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11 I'm of the opinion that one of the very things that makes us = Americans is that we are able move past these types of tragedies and = remember them for what they are, which in this case is the great and = sometimes terrible price that we pay for our freedom. I remember 9/11. Am I having a tough time with it? No. I remember = that my fellow countrymen paid for my freedom with their blood, and it = makes me proud of them and forever grateful. Freedom isn't cheap, and = those who pay the price in your stead deserve your pride and respect, = not your sorrow or pity (NOT implying that Gale is not prideful or = respectful). 9/11 for me is at once both a terrible and great moment in = our history. Not only did it demonstrate what freedom costs, it also = demonstrated what freedom has made us; virtually indestructible in the = face of insurmountable tragedy and loss. I remember an interview with the wife of a man who had fought back = against hijackers. He had called her on the phone moments before taking = action. It was an act which inevitably led to the his death. This = woman had lost her husband and the father of her child. She wasn't = tearful or sad. She was smiling and proud, and it showed through very = clearly. That about sums up how I feel, and how I think others should = feel. =20 Stand tall people. Remember 9/11 for testing our mettle, and us = having passed the test with flying colors. -- Terry Hernlund/General Bracket ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gale Draper=20 To: list=20 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:10 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11 There are no words for this day. Anyone else having a tough time = with it? Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking 9/11 Never Forget=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------=_NextPart_000_00E9_01C37984.D6728820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
TB6C9
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 connie.farquhar@cox.net =
Sent: Thursday, September 11, = 2003 7:36=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = off=20 topic-9/11

EXTREMELY well said Terry. I agree 100% with your=20 statement.
--Connie
Team=20 "Wyle E"
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 General Bracket
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:55=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject:=20 Re: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11

I'm of the opinion that one of the = very things=20 that makes us Americans is that we are able move past these types of = tragedies and remember them for what they are, which in this case=20 is the great and sometimes terrible price that we pay for = our=20 freedom.
 
I remember 9/11.  Am I having = a tough time=20 with it?  No.  I remember that my fellow countrymen paid = for my=20 freedom with their blood, and it makes me proud of them and forever=20 grateful.  Freedom isn't = cheap, and=20 those who pay the price in your stead deserve your pride and = respect, not=20 your sorrow or pity (NOT implying that Gale is not prideful or=20 respectful).  9/11 for me is at once both a terrible and great = moment=20 in our history.  Not only did it demonstrate what freedom = costs, it=20 also demonstrated what freedom has made us; virtually indestructible = in the=20 face of insurmountable tragedy and loss.
 
I remember an interview with the = wife of a man=20 who had fought back against hijackers.  He had called her on = the phone=20 moments before taking action.  It was an act which inevitably = led to=20 the his death.  This woman had lost her husband and the = father of=20 her child.  She wasn't tearful or sad.  She was = smiling and=20 proud, and it showed through very clearly.  That about sums up = how I=20 feel, and how I think others should feel. 
 
Stand tall people.  Remember = 9/11 for=20 testing our mettle, and us having passed the test with flying=20 colors.
 
--
 
Terry Hernlund/General = Bracket
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Gale Draper
To: list
Sent: Thursday, September = 11, 2003=20 6:10 AM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = off=20 topic-9/11

There are no words for this day. Anyone else having a tough = time with=20 it?


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
 
9/11   Never Forget=20

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------=_NextPart_000_00E9_01C37984.D6728820-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 13 12:24:12 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:24:12 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <000701c379f1$f1126660$0500a8c0@one> NO! You have to leave all caches until I am able to find them in lets say 2 to 5 years. I would say some caches may require a time limit but usually those will disappear on there own. Others should be left alone if they are still getting hits. Others should never be removed on purpose. If a cache is good, leave it. If it gets a good response, leave it. If it's so-so then a limit is ok. Each cache should be evaluated for it's on merits an treated accordingly. Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message ----- From: "RopingThe Wind" To: Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) > 6 months seems kinda short...perhaps 1 year. Some wilderness caches dont see > but a few visits in that time. I do agree with the limited life though. > There are just too many caches out there. Many which were placed by cachers > not even in the game anymore. > > I thought about 1 year on my cache...RTW-1... but since there has only been > like a dozen visits on it in just about one year now, I guess it will stay > awhile yet! :) So, for those who found my first cache to be too easy.... > soon we shall place RTW-2! Stay tuned! :) > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 13 15:44:11 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:44:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Thank You Snaptech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F633B4B.3070201@snaptek.com> your quite welcome!!! jason snaptek Ford, Denny wrote: > I just wanted to say, > I just used the custom book for the caches (off the Team page) and the improvements to check all , or how they are > unchecked, > is great. > > Like always you guys make this so much easier. > > Thanks > Denny > Tres Hombres > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 13 16:14:14 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 09:14:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11 Message-ID: <20030913091416.7639.h014.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Um, can you give us another hint? Currently you can only search for a travel bug by a keyword, so the ID # didn't get me anywhere.... Trisha On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 23:23:13 -0700, "Ken" wrote: TB6C9 ----- Original Message ----- From: connie.farquhar@cox.net To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 7:36 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11 EXTREMELY well said Terry. I agree 100% with your statement. --Connie Team "Wyle E" -----Original Message-----From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of General BracketSent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:55 AMTo: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11 I'm of the opinion that one of the very things that makes us Americans is that we are able move past these types of tragedies and remember them for what they are, which in this case is the great and sometimes terrible price that we pay for our freedom.   I remember 9/11.  Am I having a tough time with it?  No.  I remember that my fellow countrymen paid for my freedom with their blood, and it makes me proud of them and forever grateful.  Freedom isn't cheap, and those who pay the price in your stead deserve your pride and respect, not your sorrow or pity (NOT implying that Gale is not prideful or respectful).  9/11 for me is at once both a terrible and great moment in our history.  Not only did it demonstrate what freedom costs, it also demonstrated what freedom has made us; virtually indestructible in the face of insurmountable tragedy and loss.   I remember an interview with the wife of a man who had fought back against hijackers.  He had called her on the phone moments before taking action.  It was an act which inevitably led to the his death.  This woman had lost her husband and the father of her child.  She wasn't tearful or sad.  She was smiling and proud, and it showed through very clearly.  That about sums up how I feel, and how I think others should feel.    Stand tall people.  Remember 9/11 for testing our mettle, and us having passed the test with flying colors.   --   Terry Hernlund/General Bracket     ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Draper To: list Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:10 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11 There are no words for this day. Anyone else having a tough time with it? Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking     9/11   Never Forget Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 13 19:12:54 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:12:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20030912231447.68462.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030912231447.68462.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F636C36.3070806@Snaptek.com> J H/TEAM 360 wrote: > I am self-imposing a limited lifespan on my physical caches. They will be pulled and archived after a set amount of time passes, in order that I may keep my hiding techniques fresh and offer the local cachers the continuous challenges of new finds. Additionally, this move will keep any environmental damage around a site to a minimum. I always worried that the more people that cached, the more traffic to the caches, and therefore more and more damage. Then I started paying attention to the graphs and noticing that traffic to the caches seems to always stay steady and in most cases even slowed down, and if you look at the trend of the growth of caches vs cachers, ( http://www.azgeocaching.com/cache_growth.html ) they mirror each other almost exactly, so no matter how many cachers we get, as long as people keep hiding caches like we have been, there will be very little damage to the sites. Also, for the most part, the more out in the boon docs a cache is the more likely it WON'T be visited as much, but those are more likely to the be caches that people would want to be protecting the area the most, so the landscape has a natural limiting factor. The graphs on azgeocaching.com can be very missleading because the ALWAYS go up. This causes some people that don't look long enough to actually understand the graphs to think that the traffic to the caches is increasing at a steady rate, when in reality if the line in straight, that people are coming at a steady rate from day one. Now if everyone did like you are suggesting, then there would be a HUGE decrease in the number of caches and a HUGE increase in the traffic to the remaining caches causeing damage to their surrounding areas, which would probably make people want to take them away even faster, makeing the situation even worse for the remaining caches. After a bit there would be so few caches and so many people going to them that where ever they were hidden would be destroyed almost over night.... killing geocaching. People just need to use their heads when hiding their caches and ask themselves... what are people going to do when looking for my cache. With that in mind, maybe people won't poke a cache in the middle of a bush that would have to be repetedly disturbed or walked on and eventually smooshed. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek AzGeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 13 20:36:06 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:36:06 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11 Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C379FB.FBB98EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Trisha, Go to the Track Travel Bugs site; place the travel bugs ID number (TB6C9)= into the small box under the large travel bug figure in the upper right = corner of the page. After you place the number in the box, click on the = arrow below the box. This will take you to the travel bugs page. (Be su= re your volume is turned on for your computer.) http://www.geocaching.com/track/ =20 Rand ----- Original Message ----- From: Trisha Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 9:52 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11 Um, can you give us another hint? Currently you can only search for a travel bug by a keyword, so the ID # didn't get me anywhere.... Trisha On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 23:23:13 -0700, "Ken" wrote: TB6C9 =20 ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: connie.farquhar@cox.net =20 =20 EXTREMELY well said Terry. I agree 100% with your =20 statement. --Connie Team =20 "Wyle E" =20 =20 -----Original Message----- =20 General BracketSent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:55 =20 =20 I'm of the opinion that one of the very things =20 that makes us Americans is that we are able move past these types of =20 tragedies and remember them for what they are, which in this case =20 is the great and sometimes terrible price that we pay for our =20 freedom. =20 I remember 9/11. Am I having a tough time =20 with it? No. I remember that my fellow countrymen paid for my =20 freedom with their blood, and it makes me proud of them and forever =20 grateful. Freedom isn't cheap, and =20 those who pay the price in your stead deserve your pride and respect, not =20 your sorrow or pity (NOT implying that Gale is not prideful or =20 respectful). 9/11 for me is at once both a terrible and great moment =20 in our history. Not only did it demonstrate what freedom costs, it =20 also demonstrated what freedom has made us; virtually indestructible in the =20 face of insurmountable tragedy and loss. =20 I remember an interview with the wife of a man =20 who had fought back against hijackers. He had called her on the phone =20 moments before taking action. It was an act which inevitably led to =20 the his death. This woman had lost her husband and the father of =20 her child. She wasn't tearful or sad. She was smiling and =20 proud, and it showed through very clearly. That about sums up how I =20 feel, and how I think others should feel. =20 =20 Stand tall people. Remember 9/11 for =20 testing our mettle, and us having passed the test with flying =20 colors. =20 -- =20 Terry Hernlund/General Bracket =20 =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- =20 =20 From: Gale Draper =20 =20 There are no words for this day. Anyone else having a tough time with =20 it? =20 =20 Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking =20 =20 9/11 Never Forget =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C379FB.FBB98EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Trisha,
=
 
Go to the Track Travel Bugs = site; place the travel bugs ID number (TB6C9) into the s= mall box under the large travel bug figure in the upper right corner of t= he page.  After you place the number in the box, click on the arrow = below the box.  This will take you to the travel bugs page.  (B= e sure your volume is turned on for your computer.)
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, = 2003 6:28=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Re: = [Az-Geocaching] Why=20 very few new caches lately in Arizona?]

or=20 Murphey's
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 Gale Draper
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:27=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject:=20 Re: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in=20 Arizona?]

PLace one at Gurley Street Grill and I'm = there.

Regan L=20 Smith <buggers@mindspring.com> wrote:=20
a=20 better idea let's all carpool with ken and place a cache under = every=20 park
bench in Prescott!!!!!!!!!!



Think people I = rather=20 have quality that quantity just placing a cache to
get a find = is not a=20 reason to place a cache, I also feel that until you have
found = a=20 minimum of 50 percent of the caches placed in the state, = don't
bemoan=20 the point and waste your time which could be better spent on=20 finding
all those caches that people do place under a park = bench and=20 not say on top
of a hill with a slight = cave...




-----=20 Original Message -----
From: "Ford, Denny"=20
To: =
Sent:=20 Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:05 PM
Subject: RE: [Re: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Why very few new caches lately in
Arizona?]


> = With the 1%=20 rule in place I guess the Tres Hombres are safe we are = at
1.45%
>=20 that is until I log all the ones I have done and not=20 logged.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = Mark=20 Heitowit [mailto:mheitowit@usa.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, = September 09,=20 2003 1:46 PM
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> = Subject: Re:=20 [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in
>=20 Arizona?]
>
>
> If every team with 100 or more = finds=20 were to place 1% of their finds,
there
> would be more = caches=20 than Circle K's and Walgreens combined here = in
Phoenix.
>
>=20 "Trisha" wrote:
>
> > OK, not = to=20 belabor my point (but I guess this will) I just checked = the
> >=20 AZ caching stats. Of the top 25 teams, all with over 350 finds,=20 just
> > over half have hidden LESS THAN 10 caches. I'm = not=20 picking on anybody
> > in particular, but maybe if those = who are=20 benefitting the most (most
> > finds) would step up and = put out a=20 few more caches (no more excuses!
> > you have over 350 = finds!)=20 then it would make Ken happier....?
> > Trisha=20 "Lightning"
> > Prescott
> >
> = >
>=20 >
> >
> > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:02:18 -0700 = (PDT),=20 Ken Akerman wrote:
> >
> > I've been looking at = the list=20 of new caches, and it appears that there
> > is very = little new=20 cache activity in Arizona during the past week.
> > There = have=20 been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. = 2,
> >=20 while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past=20 seven
> > days.
> >
> > There are many = great=20 places to put caches in the high elevations of
> > = Arizona. There=20 are still many regions of the state of Arizona that
> > = don't=20 have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide = them
>=20 > this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim. Don't = complain=20 about< BR>> > the heat in the Phoenix area - the high=20 elevations are less than two
> > hours away and the = gasoline is=20 less expensive in towns like Payson and
> > Prescott than = it is=20 in Phoenix.
> >
> > Why does Utah continue to = outpace=20 Arizona in cache activity? Utah has
> > less than half = the=20 population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as
> > = of today,=20 while Arizona has 1,733 caches. We really should have more
> = >=20 caches than our neighboring state to the north. (This has = always
>=20 > irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona. Why = should=20 Utah
> > be a better geocaching state than Arizona? I = would like=20 to challenge
> > Arizona to become the best geocaching = state in=20 the USA).
> >
> > Ken (a.k.a. = Highpointer)
> >=20 = ____________________________________________________________
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------=_NextPart_000_0105_01C37A3E.28E58F80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 14 04:58:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:58:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] Message-ID: <20030913215836.25742.h005.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> YUM....Three of the best restaurants in Prescott, not counting the Mexican and Chinese places... As a friend recently said...and I think this is a great "quote for living": "there are TAKERS, and there are GIVERS, and the TAKERS will NEVER understand" I sure hope some of the Phx folks can make it up next weekend for the breakfast event. The weather is GORGEOUS....you can literally see forever! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:29:48 -0700, "Richard E Holmes" wrote: Try Zuma's, especially at happy hour! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mimi Philpott To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 6:28 PM Subject: RE: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] or Murphey's -----Original Message-----From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Gale DraperSent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:27 PMTo: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject: Re: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] PLace one at Gurley Street Grill and I'm there.Regan L Smith wrote: a better idea let's all carpool with ken and place a cache under every parkbench in Prescott!!!!!!!!!!Think people I rather have quality that quantity just placing a cache toget a find is not a reason to place a cache, I also feel that until you havefound a minimum of 50 percent of the caches placed in the state, don'tbemoan the point and waste your time which could be better spent on findingall those caches that people do place under a park bench and not say on topof a hill with a slight cave...----- Original Message ----- From: "Ford, Denny" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:05 PMSubject: RE: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately inArizona?]> With the 1% rule in place I guess the Tres Hombres are safe we are at1.45%> that is until I log all the ones I have done and not logged.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Heitowit [mailto:mheitowit@usa.net]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:46 PM> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com> Subject: Re: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in> Arizona?]>>> If every team with 100 or more finds were to place 1% of their finds,there> would be more caches than Circle K's and Walgreens combined here inPhoenix.>> "Trisha" wrote:>> > OK, not to belabor my point (but I guess this will) I just checked the> > AZ caching stats. Of the top 25 teams, all with over 350 finds, just> > over half have hidden LESS THAN 10 caches. I'm not picking on anybody> > in particular, but maybe if those who are benefitting the most (most> > finds) would step up and put out a few more caches (no more excuses!> > you have over 350 finds!) then it would make Ken happier....?> > Trisha "Lightning"> > Prescott> >> >> >> >> > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Ken Akerman wrote:> >> > I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears that there> > is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past week.> > There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since Sept. 2,> > while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the past seven> > days.> >> > There are many great places to put caches in the high elevations of> > Arizona. There are still many regions of the state of Arizona that> > don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and hide them> > this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim. Don't complain about< BR>> > the heat in the Phoenix area - the high elevations are less than two> > hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like Payson and> > Prescott than it is in Phoenix.> >> > Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity? Utah has> > less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 caches as> > of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches. We really should have more> > caches than our neighboring state to the north. (This has always> > irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona. Why should Utah> > be a better geocaching state than Arizona? I would like to challenge> > Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA).> >> > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)> > ____________________________________________________________> > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com> > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:> > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching> >> > Arizona's Geocaching Resource> > http://www.azgeocaching.com> >>>>> ____________________________________________________________> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching>> Arizona's Geocaching Resource> http://www.azgeocaching.com> ____________________________________________________________> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching>> Arizona's Geocaching Resource> http://www.azgeocaching.com____________________________________________________________Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.comTo edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocachingArizona's Geocaching Resourcehttp://www.azgeocaching.com Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking   Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"   Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898 Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 14 05:25:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1424 - 4 msgs In-Reply-To: <200309140515.WAA18341@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: <20030914052500.7640.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com> --0-594537763-1063517100=:7197 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii First of all, I did not even look at any charts or graphs to come to this decision, but I did use my head and have given this some thought. Besides, it's not like I am pulling all my caches without replacing them. I will be putting new ones out as the old ones get archived. True, this will not increase Arizona's total number of caches, but it will NOT decrease them, either. I am certainly not asking anyone else to follow this course of action, it is my decision alone and my right to do whatever I feel necessary to my caches to cut down on potential damage to the environment and prevent possible geo-litter. This includes putting a time limit on them. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-594537763-1063517100=:7197 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
First of all, I did not even look at any charts or graphs to come to this decision, but I did use my head and have given this some thought. Besides, it's not like I am pulling all my caches without replacing them. I will be putting new ones out as the old ones get archived. True, this will not increase Arizona's total number of caches, but it will NOT decrease them, either. I am certainly not asking anyone else to follow this course of action, it is my decision alone and my right to do whatever I feel necessary to my caches to cut down on potential damage to the environment and prevent possible geo-litter. This includes putting a time limit on them.

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-594537763-1063517100=:7197-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 14 06:50:32 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:50:32 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (Self-imposed) Limited lifetime caches Message-ID: <3F640FB8.1020507@mchsi.com> I'd like to echo what Team Sand Dollar wrote about this and add the following: A good cache ought to stay active as long as it remains active. In other words, if people are still searching for it, leave it out there. If the searches are few and far between, or if maintenance on the cache isn't worth the effort, then by all means archive it. As for "keeping it fresh", I think about all the newcomers to geocaching. All the caches are "fresh" to them. Just because all the current regulars have hit a cache, doesn't mean there won't be others in the future who will be surprised or fooled by that clever hide and enjoy it just as much. I do agree that some caches ought to be archived-- I saw a number of them this weekend. They had an inch or more of water in them and they were so overgrown with mold and mildew inside that I couldn't even recognize the contents. The log books were mush. They obviously are not being maintained and they have had few hits in the past months. But I digress.... I've been caching for just under a year and I hate to think how many cool caches I would have missed if they had been archived after only 6 months of activity. -- Sprocket >I would say some caches may require a time limit but usually those will >disappear on there own. Others should be left alone if they are still >getting hits. Others should never be removed on purpose. If a cache is >good, leave it. If it gets a good response, leave it. If it's so-so then a >limit is ok. Each cache should be evaluated for it's on merits an treated >accordingly. > >Team Sand Dollar > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 14 20:25:55 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Puzzled Message-ID: <20030914202555.40731.qmail@web14809.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1397672950-1063571155=:40339 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is there any reason why Team Wyle E's Mission series of caches appears as new cache listings at geocaching.com? Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1397672950-1063571155=:40339 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Is there any reason why Team Wyle E's Mission series of caches appears as new cache listings at geocaching.com?


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1397672950-1063571155=:40339-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 14 21:51:46 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:51:46 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Puzzled Message-ID: <20030914215145.LPHF13988.fed1mtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1063576306960_SJQkNGWz1Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe it's part of his mission to take over the world by confusing cacher into submission. Brian Team A.I. > > From: Gale Draper > Date: 2003/09/14 Sun PM 04:25:55 EDT > To: list > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Puzzled > > Is there any reason why Team Wyle E's Mission series of caches appears as new cache listings at geocaching.com? > > > Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking > > Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes > On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: > "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- > "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" > > > > Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > ------=____1063576306960_SJQkNGWz1Q Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
Is there any reason why Team Wyle E's Mission series of caches appears as new cache listings at geocaching.com?


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------=____1063576306960_SJQkNGWz1Q-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 14 22:16:28 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Richard E Holmes) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:16:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) References: <20030913002851.22365.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009c01c37b0d$d88211a0$5c360244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01C37AD3.2BF0DF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have you been to Coyote Mike's Coyote Cache 1 and 2? The are among the = very best, and have been there almost three years. These are just two = examples of caches that should remain as long as possible. Creepin' Jeepers ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J H/TEAM 360=20 To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) About the self-imposed lifespan of my caches: not to worry too much, I = am thinking of leaving them out for 6 months. Let's face it, most = cachers will have hit it by then. Then I pull and archive it, and come = up with a different type of cache in a different spot. Emerald had to = go, the tree in which it was placed got bare and you could see it just = hanging there by itself. After my visit with Dave Ulmer, I am convinced = he is right about putting a limited amount of time on caches. this way = it keeps the game fresh, and cuts way down on cache maintenance, = geo-litter from abandoned caches, and damage to the surrounding = environment. It will also keep me on my toes to constantly come up with = a sneakier cache, to fool you better. Jeff of TEAM 360. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01C37AD3.2BF0DF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Have you been to Coyote Mike's Coyote = Cache 1=20 and 2? The are among the very best, and have been there almost three = years.=20 These are just two examples of caches that should remain as long as=20 possible.
 
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About the self-imposed lifespan of my caches: not to worry too = much, I am=20 thinking of leaving them out for 6 months. Let's face it, most cachers = will=20 have hit it by then. Then I pull and archive it, and come up with a = different=20 type of cache in a different spot. Emerald had to go, the tree in = which it was=20 placed got bare and you could see it just hanging there by itself. = After my=20 visit with Dave Ulmer, I am convinced he is right about putting a = limited=20 amount of time on caches. this way it keeps the game fresh, and cuts = way down=20 on cache maintenance, geo-litter from abandoned caches, and = damage to the=20 surrounding environment. It will also keep me on my toes to constantly = come up=20 with a sneakier cache, to fool you better.
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Yahoo!=20 SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design=20 software ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01C37AD3.2BF0DF00-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 15 01:11:59 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:11:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mt. Lemmon Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030914180857.01393418@mail.myblueheaven.com> I have been lurking back on the list for a little over a week now, actually since returning from Burningman. I have a question about Mt. Lemmon. Does anyone know if the highway is open yet and if there is access to Mt. Lemmon? I received a hit on my In Hot Water cache today. The log says that the cache contents are pretty much all melted but that the log book survived. I want to archive the cache and go out and retrieve it, but don't want to enter the burnt areas if they are closed. Scott PS. My off topic part of the post. If anyone knows of anyone looking for a computer/network/electronics tech with management experience let me know. I sold my interest in my business to my former partner and am no un-employed and need to find something to pay the bills. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 15 01:53:11 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:53:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Puzzled References: <20030914202555.40731.qmail@web14809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004201c37b2c$1f544620$f4104bab@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C37AF1.720A71E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would guess there is a reason and my guess is that the date and or = starting coords have changed... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gale Draper=20 To: list=20 Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 1:25 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Puzzled Is there any reason why Team Wyle E's Mission series of caches appears = as new cache listings at geocaching.com? Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C37AF1.720A71E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would guess there is a reason and my = guess is=20 that the date and or starting coords have changed...
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Is there any reason why Team Wyle E's Mission series of caches = appears as=20 new cache listings at geocaching.com?


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Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang = interminable=20 changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- = so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the = Ranges=20 --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for = you.=20 Go!"
 
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Yahoo!=20 SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design=20 software ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C37AF1.720A71E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 15 02:05:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:05:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11 Message-ID: <20030914190601.28061.h003.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Thanks RAnd, I thought that spot was only for the dogtag number. See? Ya learn sumptin' every day! :-) Cute TB Trisha On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:36:06 -0700, "RAND HARDIN" wrote: Trisha,   Go to the Track Travel Bugs site; place the travel bugs ID number (TB6C9) into the small box under the large travel bug figure in the upper right corner of the page.  After you place the number in the box, click on the arrow below the box.  This will take you to the travel bugs page.  (Be sure your volume is turned on for your computer.)   http://www.geocaching.com/track/   Rand   ----- Original Message ----- From: Trisha Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 9:52 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11   Um, can you give us another hint? Currently you can only search for atravel bug by a keyword, so the ID # didn't get me anywhere....TrishaOn Fri, 12 Sep 2003 23:23:13 -0700, "Ken" wrote:TB6C9  ----- Original Message -----   From: connie.farquhar@cox.net       EXTREMELY well said Terry. I agree 100% with your   statement.  --Connie  Team   "Wyle E"      -----Original Message-----     General BracketSent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:55          I'm of the opinion that one of the very things     that makes us Americans is that we are able move past these typesof     tragedies and remember them for what they are, which in this case     is the great and sometimes terrible price that we pay for our     freedom.         I remember 9/11.  Am I having a tough time     with it?  No.  I remember that my fellow countrymen paid for my     freedom with their blood, and it makes me proud of them andforever     grateful.  Freedom isn't cheap, and     those who pay the price in your stead deserve your pride andrespect, not     your sorrow or pity (NOT implying that Gale is not prideful or     respectful).  9/11 for me is at once both a terrible and greatmoment     in our history.  Not only did it demonstrate what freedom costs,it     also demonstrated what freedom has made us; virtuallyindestructible in the     face of insurmountable tragedy and loss.         I remember an interview with the wife of a man     who had fought back against hijackers.  He had called her on thephone     moments before taking action.  It was an act which inevitably ledto     the his death.  This woman had lost her husband and the father of     her child.  She wasn't tearful or sad.  She was smiling and     proud, and it showed through very clearly.  That about sums up howI     feel, and how I think others should feel.           Stand tall people.  Remember 9/11 for     testing our mettle, and us having passed the test with flying     colors.         --         Terry Hernlund/General Bracket                    ----- Original Message -----       From: Gale Draper                   There are no words for this day. Anyone else having a tough timewith       it?                  Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking                    9/11   Never Forget    From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 15 02:42:53 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:42:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) Message-ID: I sure hope they stay there a long time! I have been wanting to get them every time I go thru there on Hwy 93. Are they difficult to get to? They dont appear to be very far off the highway. One is like a mile off the highway, but it appears (on topo software) that there might be a canyon or something in between. I will have to take another look at them on my way home from Washington in a few weeks. Do they require pretty serious 4x4 or can a 2x4 long bed truck (fairly high clearance) make it? Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 15 03:06:44 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:06:44 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) Message-ID: <20030915030641.MJYD7829.fed1mtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> I would venture to say your truck could probaby make it to them, even though I haven't visited them myself. Brian Team A.I. > > From: "RopingThe Wind" > Date: 2003/09/14 Sun PM 10:42:53 EDT > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) > > I sure hope they stay there a long time! I have been wanting to get them > every time I go thru there on Hwy 93. Are they difficult to get to? They > dont appear to be very far off the highway. One is like a mile off the > highway, but it appears (on topo software) that there might be a canyon or > something in between. I will have to take another look at them on my way > home from Washington in a few weeks. Do they require pretty serious 4x4 or > can a 2x4 long bed truck (fairly high clearance) make it? > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 15 03:10:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Henson) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:10:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <24D14B73-E72A-11D7-A59F-000393A13A32@cableone.net> --Apple-Mail-4--611123574 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > I sure hope they stay there a long time! I have been wanting to get > them every time I go thru there on Hwy 93. Are they difficult to get > to? They dont appear to be very far off the highway. One is like a > mile off the highway, but it appears (on topo software) that there > might be a canyon or something in between. I will have to take another > look at them on my way home from Washington in a few weeks. Do they > require pretty serious 4x4 or can a 2x4 long bed truck (fairly high > clearance) make it? coyote cache 1 - the directions to this are very good. Do not drive up Date Creek without 4 wheel drive. Coyote Cache 2 - a lot of folks end up right next to Ship Rock and are really close to the cache. The only problem is that it is straight up. ;-) You go to the northwest of the cache (down the wash) and then go south and then northeast to get to the cache. Took me two tries. It is a great cache location. - Ken (aka - Lincoln) --Apple-Mail-4--611123574 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I sure hope they stay there a long time! I have been wanting to get them every time I go thru there on Hwy 93. Are they difficult to get to? They dont appear to be very far off the highway. One is like a mile off the highway, but it appears (on topo software) that there might be a canyon or something in between. I will have to take another look at them on my way home from Washington in a few weeks. Do they require pretty serious 4x4 or can a 2x4 long bed truck (fairly high clearance) make it? Verdanacoyote cache 1 - the directions to this are very good. Do not drive up Date Creek without 4 wheel drive. Coyote Cache 2 - a lot of folks end up right next to Ship Rock and are really close to the cache. The only problem is that it is straight up. ;-) You go to the northwest of the cache (down the wash) and then go south and then northeast to get to the cache. Took me two tries. It is a great cache location. - Ken (aka - Lincoln)Times New Roman --Apple-Mail-4--611123574-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 15 04:13:40 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Richard E Holmes) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:13:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) References: <24D14B73-E72A-11D7-A59F-000393A13A32@cableone.net> Message-ID: <002101c37b3f$beaa6520$5c360244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C37B05.11F92760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We always study the logs before we attempt a cache; maybe that's why we = have so few "first finds." The logs on both of these caches are pretty = good. Seems like Coyote Mike has disappeared, or at least left AZ. After these = two, he placed one in Maine. Dan Rich AKA Snakebusters placed the first = cache in Arizona, as far as I can determine, and also placed Willow = Creek about six months later, then seemed to fall off the earth. Then I = guess when you're first, what else is there. Creepin' Jeepers ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ken Henson=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) I sure hope they stay there a long time! I have been wanting to get = them every time I go thru there on Hwy 93. Are they difficult to get to? = They dont appear to be very far off the highway. One is like a mile off = the highway, but it appears (on topo software) that there might be a = canyon or something in between. I will have to take another look at them = on my way home from Washington in a few weeks. Do they require pretty = serious 4x4 or can a 2x4 long bed truck (fairly high clearance) make it? coyote cache 1 - the directions to this are very good. Do not drive up = Date Creek without 4 wheel drive. Coyote Cache 2 - a lot of folks end up right next to Ship Rock and are = really close to the cache. The only problem is that it is straight up. = ;-) You go to the northwest of the cache (down the wash) and then go south = and then northeast to get to the cache. Took me two tries. It is a great = cache location. - Ken (aka - Lincoln) ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C37B05.11F92760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We always study the logs before we = attempt a=20 cache; maybe that's why we have so few "first finds." The logs on both = of these=20 caches are pretty good.
 
Seems like Coyote Mike has disappeared, = or at least=20 left AZ. After these two, he placed one in Maine. Dan Rich AKA = Snakebusters=20 placed the first cache in Arizona, as far as I can determine, and also = placed=20 Willow Creek about  six months later, then seemed to fall off the = earth.=20 Then I guess when you're first, what else is there.
 
Creepin' Jeepers
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ken=20 Henson
Sent: Sunday, September 14, = 2003 8:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = (no=20 subject)

I sure hope they stay there a long time! I have been = wanting to=20 get them every time I go thru there on Hwy 93. Are they difficult to = get to?=20 They dont appear to be very far off the highway. One is like a mile = off the=20 highway, but it appears (on topo software) that there might be a = canyon or=20 something in between. I will have to take another look at them on my = way=20 home from Washington in a few weeks. Do they require pretty serious = 4x4 or=20 can a 2x4 long bed truck (fairly high clearance) make = it?
coyote cache 1 - the=20 directions to this are very good. Do not drive up Date Creek without 4 = wheel=20 drive.

Coyote Cache 2 - a lot of folks end up right next to = Ship Rock=20 and are really close to the cache. The only problem is that it is = straight up.=20 ;-)

You go to the northwest of the cache (down the wash) and = then go=20 south and then northeast to get to the cache. Took me two tries. It is = a great=20 cache location.

- Ken (aka - = Lincoln)
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C37B05.11F92760-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 15 15:03:21 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:03:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mt. Lemmon In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030914180857.01393418@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: Best bet is to call the rangers office downtown. The road up *is* open, along with ski valley - I know several people who have been up there now. As for trails, etc. you will need to call. BTW apparently the Bullock area is now open. This means we'll check on Hollywood Arizona sometime in the next couple of months. Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott Wood Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:12 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mt. Lemmon I have been lurking back on the list for a little over a week now, actually since returning from Burningman. I have a question about Mt. Lemmon. Does anyone know if the highway is open yet and if there is access to Mt. Lemmon? I received a hit on my In Hot Water cache today. The log says that the cache contents are pretty much all melted but that the log book survived. I want to archive the cache and go out and retrieve it, but don't want to enter the burnt areas if they are closed. Scott PS. My off topic part of the post. If anyone knows of anyone looking for a computer/network/electronics tech with management experience let me know. I sold my interest in my business to my former partner and am no un-employed and need to find something to pay the bills. ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 16 00:27:02 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Navicache listings Message-ID: <20030916002702.1909.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1407857575-1063672022=:1550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I must say, I am a bit disappointed that there aren't more Arizona caches listed on the "other" site, Navicache. I actually listed my caches over there as well today, and it's very user-friendly. They even have easy-to-use buttons for handicapped access, parking lot, water, restroom facilities nearby, etc..when you list a cache, along with a better system for adding clues. There is no reason why you can't put your caches on both websites, I would like to see more support of this site. Just a thought, that's all. Jeff of TEAM 360. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1407857575-1063672022=:1550 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I must say, I am a bit disappointed that there aren't more Arizona caches listed on the "other" site, Navicache. I actually listed my caches over there as well today, and it's very user-friendly. They even have easy-to-use buttons for handicapped access, parking lot, water, restroom facilities nearby, etc..when you list a cache, along with a better system for adding clues. There is no reason why you can't put your caches on both websites, I would like to see more support of this site.
Just a thought, that's all.
Jeff of TEAM 360.

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1407857575-1063672022=:1550-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 16 18:47:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:47:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] .GPX to .XLS Message-ID: <3F675ACF.6010407@mchsi.com> Does anybody have any easy way to get the data displayed in EasyGPS into an Excel spreadsheet? Or, better yet, does anyone have a list of all the Locationless caches already in an Excel spreadsheet? -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 16 18:42:31 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:42:31 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] .GPX to .XLS In-Reply-To: <3F675ACF.6010407@mchsi.com> Message-ID: GeoBuddy can take an EasyGPS file and save as a CSV file. However, I think that GeoBuddy may only work with the EasyGPS files generated by geocaching.com rather than the ones saved by EasyGPS. Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott Sparks Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:48 AM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] .GPX to .XLS Does anybody have any easy way to get the data displayed in EasyGPS into an Excel spreadsheet? Or, better yet, does anyone have a list of all the Locationless caches already in an Excel spreadsheet? -- Sprocket ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 16 22:04:42 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (jr davis) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:04:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sprocket 600 Message-ID: <000c01c37c9e$88206fd0$0100a8c0@yourm5d4u9r2uv> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C37C63.DB6239C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like Sprocket went over 600 mark in less than year.Good going = Sprocket. AJ.JR ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C37C63.DB6239C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks like Sprocket went over 600 mark = in less than=20 year.Good going Sprocket.    = AJ.JR
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C37C63.DB6239C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 16 23:38:25 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:38:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fwd: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. Message-ID: <20030916163825.20406.h003.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> OK, third time MIGHT be the charm...I've tried twice to post this to the list, it seems to be down, so I will use the alternate addy, if you get this message more than once, PLEASE excuse me, read one and delete the others....except me sure to note that the duck derby is NOT this weekend! Hi list posters and lurkers, Just wanted to remind y'all that there will be an event cache in Prescott this Saturday (GCGW7T). I know it's early (0700), but we plan to go at about 0800 and it lasts until 0930. Here is some more info: 1) The weather is absolutely gorgeous....sunny but not too hot, and you can literally see forever. Beautiful clear blue skies (watch, it will rain Sat! LOL) 2) Gas is plentiful and relatively cheaper ($1.77 and less) 3) In addition to the Breakfast event, there are a number of things to do for the rest of the day to make the trip more "worthwhile": a. Your own caching, if you haven't been up here, or been here lately, there are a number and good variety of quality caches. Email me for suggestions if you wish. b. Some good 4x4 caching with Jeeps with Lincoln (listed on the cache page logs....these are some great trips!! c. Some "easier" caching with our team, SW of Prescott in the Wilhoit/Hassayampa River/Yarnell areas..we plan to spend the morning and nab a half dozen or so caches that aren't too strenuous. Please email me ahead of time if you are interested in joining us and I can give you details on which caches we plan to do. d. The Yavapai Co Fair...at the new fairgrounds on 89A between Prescott Valley and Mingis Mtn. In contrast to the huge state fair, this local fair is usually pretty laid-back with the usual rides, exhibits and animals, some special events, and less crowds and no gangs. A fun family day. See ya! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott (Valley) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 17 00:33:55 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:33:55 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. Message-ID: <179.1fac9e30.2c9905f3@aol.com> -------------------------------1063758835 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A question for the Prescott locals... Shawna and I have decided to spend the weekend there. Can you give me a few non-geocaching ideas of things to do or see, favorite restaurants, or anything along those lines? She will shoot me if I make her cache the whole time! Thanks in advance! Dave Team DaSH -------------------------------1063758835 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. > My wife and I enjoy walking around the square with the shops on Whiskey > Row. The Palace is great for a burger for lunch. We normally stop > there to eat. If you like antique shopping, Cortez street just off the > north side of the square has many shops. > > Another place we have been many times is a few (2-4) miles north on Hwy > 89. Watson Lake has some awesome boulders that you can hike around on. > We love to go there just to take pictures. > > There is also Lynx Lake to the southeast that is surrounded by pine > trees and a good place to hike or relax. > > Just my suggestions, > Virgil > > > On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 17:33, TeamDaSH@aol.com wrote: > > A question for the Prescott locals... > > > > Shawna and I have decided to spend the weekend there. Can you give me > > a few non-geocaching ideas of things to do or see, favorite > > restaurants, or anything along those lines? She will shoot me if I > > make her cache the whole time! > > > > Thanks in advance! > > Dave > > Team DaSH > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 17 18:34:23 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Rust, Scott # PHX) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:34:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1429 - 11 msgs Message-ID: I've used GPSBabel which converts all kinds of GPS files to all other kinds of GPS files, as well as .csv files.. You can get it here: http://gpsbabel.sourceforge.net/. -Roostermiester --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:47:43 -0700 From: Scott Sparks To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] .GPX to .XLS Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Does anybody have any easy way to get the data displayed in EasyGPS into an Excel spreadsheet? Or, better yet, does anyone have a list of all the Locationless caches already in an Excel spreadsheet? -- Sprocket This E-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply E-mail, and destroy all copies of the original message. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 17 19:40:41 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Chelby Geiss) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:40:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. In-Reply-To: <000f01c37ccd$593b3c20$6401a8c0@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: If you're into ghosts, Mozartman, have you checked out the MVD ghostchasers...they're based out of mesa. They are actually staying at the Hotel Vendome in a couple weeks. I've been on a couple of their tours, one to the Westward Ho downtown phoenix and another to the Hotel Connor in Jerome. Keep an open mind and its a lot of fun!:) Here's their website: http://members.tripod.com/azspiritchaser/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 17 19:54:05 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:54:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c37d55$7428d0f0$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Chelby, Good to see you back in here. How's the "micro cacher"? Steve Team Tierra Buena -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Chelby Geiss Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:41 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. If you're into ghosts, Mozartman, have you checked out the MVD ghostchasers...they're based out of mesa. They are actually staying at the Hotel Vendome in a couple weeks. I've been on a couple of their tours, one to the Westward Ho downtown phoenix and another to the Hotel Connor in Jerome. Keep an open mind and its a lot of fun!:) Here's their website: http://members.tripod.com/azspiritchaser/ ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 17 20:03:06 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:03:06 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway Message-ID: Hey Brian, What ever happened with this initiative? -----Original Message----- From: Brian Casteel [mailto:bcasteel@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:51 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway Folks, I was driving around last week and started to take notice of the Adopt-A-Highway signs, and thought it might be a great benefit to the community (not to mention great PR) if the AZ Geocachers were to perhaps select a highway segment to maintain. I e-mailed Mark Schalliol with ADOT, and inquired about the program and asked for a list of available highway segments around Phoenix. He provided me with a list of 6. SR87 Both directions MP181-182 (between Mcdowell and Gilbert) Both directions MP186-187 (between Gilbert and Shea) SB MP200.8-202.8 (near Four Peaks) SR347 (Maricopa Rd) Both directions 184.24-185.25 SR587 (south of Chandler) Both directions MP 218.6-221 (Jct 87 to RWCD canal) Both directions MP 223-225 (Gila River to I-10) The jist of the thing is this: ADOT would require 4x annually pickup of the area we would be assigned. I would also consult the powers-that-be and look to get approval for each cleanup as an event cache, which could conclude with a picnic/bbq at a nearby park. Another stipulation that I feel is critical is that a working group of 6-10 people would be needed for each cleanup. I'd truly hope I would be able to get at least a half-dozen of you out there to help cleanup. I have all the contact information and would be willing to assume the role of coordinator for the venture. Let me know by either private mail or listserv what the interest is among the people. BTW, we would get our own sign! Arizona Geocachers on an Adopt-A-Highway sign would be just too cool. Brian Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 17 20:20:21 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:20:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway References: Message-ID: <000c01c37d59$1ec25740$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> I was actually thinking about that yesterday (kinda let it slip through the cracks). As soon as I get time this week, I'm going to submit the paperwork for a stretch of the Beeline probably near McDowell/87. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koch, Dan" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:03 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway > Hey Brian, > > What ever happened with this initiative? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Casteel [mailto:bcasteel@cox.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:51 PM > To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway > > > Folks, > > I was driving around last week and started to take notice of the > Adopt-A-Highway signs, and thought it might be a great benefit to the > community (not to mention great PR) if the AZ Geocachers were to perhaps > select a highway segment to maintain. I e-mailed Mark Schalliol with ADOT, > and inquired about the program and asked for a list of available highway > segments around Phoenix. He provided me with a list of 6. > > SR87 > Both directions MP181-182 (between Mcdowell and Gilbert) > Both directions MP186-187 (between Gilbert and Shea) > SB MP200.8-202.8 (near Four Peaks) > > SR347 (Maricopa Rd) Both directions 184.24-185.25 > > SR587 (south of Chandler) > Both directions MP 218.6-221 (Jct 87 to RWCD canal) > Both directions MP 223-225 (Gila River to I-10) > > The jist of the thing is this: ADOT would require 4x annually pickup of the > area we would be assigned. I would also consult the powers-that-be and look > to get approval for each cleanup as an event cache, which could conclude > with a picnic/bbq at a nearby park. Another stipulation that I feel is > critical is that a working group of 6-10 people would be needed for each > cleanup. I'd truly hope I would be able to get at least a half-dozen of you > out there to help cleanup. > > I have all the contact information and would be willing to assume the role > of coordinator for the venture. Let me know by either private mail or > listserv what the interest is among the people. > > BTW, we would get our own sign! Arizona Geocachers on an Adopt-A-Highway > sign would be just too cool. > > Brian > Team A.I. > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 17 00:56:04 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. In-Reply-To: <179.1fac9e30.2c9905f3@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030917005604.26802.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> --0-926526595-1063760164=:26542 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Murphey's, Gurley Street Grill, pie at Berry's. There's a nice benchmark at the courthouse square right behind the Rough Riders statue if you are downtown. TeamDaSH@aol.com wrote: A question for the Prescott locals... Shawna and I have decided to spend the weekend there. Can you give me a few non-geocaching ideas of things to do or see, favorite restaurants, or anything along those lines? She will shoot me if I make her cache the whole time! Thanks in advance! Dave Team DaSH --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-926526595-1063760164=:26542 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Murphey's, Gurley Street Grill, pie at Berry's.
 
There's a nice benchmark at the courthouse square right behind the Rough Riders statue if you are downtown.

TeamDaSH@aol.com wrote:
A question for the Prescott locals...
 
Shawna and I have decided to spend the weekend there.  Can you give me a few non-geocaching ideas of things to do or see, favorite restaurants, or anything along those lines?  She will shoot me if I make her cache the whole time!
 
Thanks in advance!
Dave
Team DaSH

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-926526595-1063760164=:26542-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 17 22:50:14 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:50:14 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. Message-ID: <1dc.1100b060.2c9a3f26@aol.com> -------------------------------1063839014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the suggestions everyone. It doesn't look like we will be hurting for something to do! Dave Team DaSH -------------------------------1063839014 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It looks like Sprocket is on the move = with 600 az=20 finds in less than a year.  Can you double it in another = year?
  Good going Sprocket. =20 JR
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C37BDD.585F3810-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 16 15:06:07 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:06:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. Message-ID: <20030916080617.25606.h018.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Sorry if you get this twice, but I sent it last night and it didn't appear in my inbox, so I am not sure if it went out to the list... Hi list posters and lurkers, Just wanted to remind y'all that there will be an event cache in Prescott this Saturday (GCGW7T). I know it's early (0700), but we plan to go at about 0800 and it lasts until 0930. Here is some more info: 1) The weather is absolutely gorgeous....sunny but not too hot, and you can literally see forever. Beautiful clear blue skies (watch, it will rain Sat! LOL) 2) Gas is plentiful and relatively cheaper ($1.77 and less) 3) In addition to the Breakfast event, there are a number of things to do for the rest of the day to make the trip more "worthwhile": a. Your own caching, if you haven't been up here, or been here lately, there are a number and good variety of quality caches. Email me for suggestions if you wish. b. Some good 4x4 caching with Jeeps with Lincoln (listed on the cache page logs....these are some great trips!! c. Some "easier" caching with our team, SW of Prescott in the Wilhoit/Hassayampa River/Yarnell areas..we plan to spend the morning and nab a half dozen or so caches that aren't too strenuous. Please email me ahead of time if you are interested in joining us and I can give you details on which caches we plan to do. d. The Yavapai Co Fair...at the new fairgrounds on 89A between Prescott Valley and Mingis Mtn. In contrast to the huge state fair, this local fair is usually pretty laid-back with the usual rides, exhibits and animals, some special events, and less crowds and no gangs. A fun family day. e. The Duck Derby races at Sharlot Hall....not sure on the time but I believe around 10 am. See ya! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott (Valley) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 17 01:30:18 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bryon Culling) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. In-Reply-To: <179.1fac9e30.2c9905f3@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030917013018.4801.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1207852860-1063762218=:3925 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Take Seneter Highway down to Crown King and have lunch or dinner at a little place there called The Mill. It's a long drive from Prescott but the food there is well worth the drive. they are only open friday, Sat, Sun so go early. the menu is what ever they take up for the weekend so can change from week to week and also from day to day depending on whats on hand. but the food is great. Or you can take the bumble bee turn off from I-17 and get there that way. it's alot faster. TeamDaSH@aol.com wrote:A question for the Prescott locals... Shawna and I have decided to spend the weekend there. Can you give me a few non-geocaching ideas of things to do or see, favorite restaurants, or anything along those lines? She will shoot me if I make her cache the whole time! Thanks in advance! Dave Team DaSH --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1207852860-1063762218=:3925 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Take Seneter Highway down to Crown King and have lunch or dinner at a little place there called The Mill.  It's a long drive from Prescott but the food there is well worth the drive.  they are only open friday, Sat, Sun so go early.  the menu is what ever they take up for the weekend so can change from week to week and also from day to day depending on whats on hand.   but the food is great.   Or you can take the bumble bee turn off from I-17 and get there that way.  it's alot faster.

TeamDaSH@aol.com wrote:
A question for the Prescott locals...
 
Shawna and I have decided to spend the weekend there.  Can you give me a few non-geocaching ideas of things to do or see, favorite restaurants, or anything along those lines?  She will shoot me if I make her cache the whole time!
 
Thanks in advance!
Dave
Team DaSH

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1207852860-1063762218=:3925-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 17 23:48:25 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:48:25 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. Message-ID: --0__=0ABBE737DF114EBA8f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBE737DF114EBA Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The road from the bumble bee turn off from I-17 is a 25 mile dirt road. That is not in the best of shape. FYI Barry Bryon Culling To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent by: cc: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching. Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. com Tuesday September 16, 2003 06:30 PM Please respond to listserv Take Seneter Highway down to Crown King and have lunch or dinner at a little place there called The Mill. It's a long drive from Prescott but the food there is well worth the drive. they are only open friday, Sat, Sun so go early. the menu is what ever they take up for the weekend so can change from week to week and also from day to day depending on whats on hand. but the food is great. Or you can take the bumble bee turn off from I-17 and get there that way. it's alot faster. TeamDaSH@aol.com wrote:A question for the Prescott locals... Shawna and I have decided to spend the weekend there. Can you give me a few non-geocaching ideas of things to do or see, favorite restaurants, or anything along those lines? She will shoot me if I make her cache the whole time! Thanks in advance! Dave Team DaSH --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030917235726.52570.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> --0-701136204-1063843046=:51981 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah. it's a wash bored road but it's still very doable in a car. (Unless you drive some slammed rice rocket) i've seen cars on both roads to Crown King. I also saw the new all wheel drive station wagon going down the trail from CK to lake Pleasant. the guys driving the car were part of the field test team doing the final road tests on the car. I forget the make and modle though. the car cam out this past model year. Anyway. I was in a Pinzgauer coming up the trail. we had to guide them down "The Step". my friends and I were betting on weather or not they would make it. (They did. I lost) barry.neely@prudential.com wrote: The road from the bumble bee turn off from I-17 is a 25 mile dirt road. That is not in the best of shape. FYI Barry Bryon Culling To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent by: cc: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching. Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. com Tuesday September 16, 2003 06:30 PM Please respond to listserv Take Seneter Highway down to Crown King and have lunch or dinner at a little place there called The Mill. It's a long drive from Prescott but the food there is well worth the drive. they are only open friday, Sat, Sun so go early. the menu is what ever they take up for the weekend so can change from week to week and also from day to day depending on whats on hand. but the food is great. Or you can take the bumble bee turn off from I-17 and get there that way. it's alot faster. TeamDaSH@aol.com wrote:A question for the Prescott locals... Shawna and I have decided to spend the weekend there. Can you give me a few non-geocaching ideas of things to do or see, favorite restaurants, or anything along those lines? She will shoot me if I make her cache the whole time! Thanks in advance! Dave Team DaSH --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software (See attached file: C.htm) Take Seneter Highway down to Crown King and have lunch or dinner at a little place there called The Mill. It's a long drive from Prescott but the food there is well worth the drive. they are only open friday, Sat, Sun so go early. the menu is what ever they take up for the weekend so can change from week to week and also from day to day depending on whats on hand. but the food is great. Or you can take the bumble bee turn off from I-17 and get there that way. it's alot faster. TeamDaSH@aol.com wrote: A question for the Prescott locals... Shawna and I have decided to spend the weekend there. Can you give me a few non-geocaching ideas of things to do or see, favorite restaurants, or anything along those lines? She will shoot me if I make her cache the whole time! Thanks in advance! Dave Team DaSH --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Yeah.  it's a wash bored road but it's still very doable in a car. (Unless you drive some slammed rice rocket)  i've seen cars on both roads to Crown King.  I also saw the new all wheel drive station wagon going down the trail from CK to lake Pleasant.  the guys driving the car were part of the field test team doing the final road tests on the car.  I forget the make and modle though.  the car cam out this past model year.  Anyway. I was in a Pinzgauer coming up the trail.  we had to guide them down "The Step".  my friends and I were betting on weather or not they would make it.  (They did.  I lost)


barry.neely@prudential.com wrote:

The road from the bumble bee turn off from I-17 is a 25 mile dirt road.
That is not in the best of shape. FYI

Barry





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Take Seneter Highway down to Crown King and have lunch or dinner at a
little place there called The Mill. It's a long drive from Prescott but
the food there is well worth the drive. they are only open friday, Sat,
Sun so go early. the menu is what ever they take up for the weekend so can
change from week to week and also from day to day depending on whats on
hand. but the food is great. Or you can take the bumble bee turn off
from I-17 and get there that way. it's alot faster.

TeamDaSH@aol.com wrote:A question for the Prescott locals...

Shawna and I have decided to spend the weekend there. Can you give me a
few non-geocaching ideas of things to do or see, favorite restaurants, or
anything along those lines? She will shoot me if I make her cache the
whole time!

Thanks in advance!
Dave
Team DaSH



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Take Seneter Highway down to Crown King and have lunch or dinner at a little place there called The Mill.  It's a long drive from Prescott but the food there is well worth the drive.  they are only open friday, Sat, Sun so go early.  the menu is what ever they take up for the weekend so can change from week to week and also from day to day depending on whats on hand.   but the food is great.   Or you can take the bumble bee turn off from I-17 and get there that way.  it's alot faster.

TeamDaSH@aol.com wrote:
A question for the Prescott locals...
 
Shawna and I have decided to spend the weekend there.  Can you give me a few non-geocaching ideas of things to do or see, favorite restaurants, or anything along those lines?  She will shoot me if I make her cache the whole time!
 
Thanks in advance!
Dave
Team DaSH

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-701136204-1063843046=:51981-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 17 05:36:02 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:36:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. Message-ID: <20030916223603.22012.h005.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Well, the Yavapai Co Fair is going on, it has more than jsut carnival rides (animals, exhibits, etc). We have 2 movie theaters (Harkins 14 in Prescott Valley and a 10-plex behind WalMArt.) We have a MALL... Downtown at the courthouse usually has something going on, as well as just west on Gurley, Sharlot Hall Museum (hint: has a cache) As for restaurants, there are a number downtown including Murphy's, Zuma's, Gurley St Grill. Mexican: Tecate Grill, El Chaparral. Chinese: China Buffet above Costco, plus a couple good ones I can't remember the names. We also have Red Lobster, Applebees.... Hint: Shopping at the Mall, a movie and a nice dinner will offset alot of caching. HAve fun! Trisha "Lightning" On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:33:55 EDT, TeamDaSH@aol.com wrote: A question for the Prescott locals...   Shawna and I have decided to spend the weekend there.  Can you give me a few non-geocaching ideas of things to do or see, favorite restaurants, or anything along those lines?  She will shoot me if I make her cache the whole time!   Thanks in advance! Dave Team DaSH From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 18 00:23:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:23:00 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. Message-ID: --0__=0ABBE736DF919A0F8f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBE736DF919A0F Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bryon, You are correct it is doable in a car. It just like a better road on the map than it realy is and it will take a while to do the drive. Barry Bryon Culling To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent by: cc: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching. Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. com Wednesday September 17, 2003 04:57 PM Please respond to listserv Yeah. it's a wash bored road but it's still very doable in a car. (Unless you drive some slammed rice rocket) i've seen cars on both roads to Crown King. I also saw the new all wheel drive station wagon going down the trail from CK to lake Pleasant. the guys driving the car were part of the field test team doing the final road tests on the car. I forget the make and modle though. the car cam out this past model year. Anyway. I was in a Pinzgauer coming up the trail. we had to guide them down "The Step". my friends and I were betting on weather or not they would make it. (They did. I lost) barry.neely@prudential.com wrote: The road from the bumble bee turn off from I-17 is a 25 mile dirt road. That is not in the best of shape. FYI Barry Bryon Culling To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent by: cc: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching. Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. com Tuesday September 16, 2003 06:30 PM Please respond to listserv Take Seneter Highway down to Crown King and have lunch or dinner at a little place there called The Mill. It's a long drive from Prescott but the food there is well worth the drive. they are only open friday, Sat, Sun so go early. the menu is what ever they take up for the weekend so can change from week to week and also from day to day depending on whats on hand. but the food is great. Or you can take the bumble bee turn off from I-17 and get there that way. it's alot faster. TeamDaSH@aol.com wrote:A question for the Prescott locals... Shawna and I have decided to spend the weekend there. Can you give me a few non-geocaching ideas of things to do or see, favorite restaurants, or anything along those lines? She will shoot me if I make her cache the whole time! Thanks in advance! Dave Team DaSH --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software (See attached file: C.htm) Take Seneter Highway down to Crown King and have lunch or dinner at a little place there called The Mill. It's a long drive from Prescott but the food there is well worth the drive. they are only open friday, Sat, Sun so go early. the menu is what ever they take up for the weekend so can change from week to week and also from day to day depending on whats on hand. but the food is great. Or you can take the bumble bee turn off from I-17 and get there that way. it's alot faster. TeamDaSH@aol.com wrote: A question for the Prescott locals... Shawna and I have decided to spend the weekend there. Can you give me a few non-geocaching ideas of things to do or see, favorite restaurants, or anything along those lines? She will shoot me if I make her cache the whole time! Thanks in advance! Dave Team DaSH --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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[Az-Geocaching] Another one bites the dust...sort of Message-ID: <20030918011737.TIAG22020.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Well, if you haven't seen/heard the rumblings on the forums, Team360 has left the Geocaching scene...again, for self-proclaimed greener pastures on 'other sites'. He deleted all posts in the thread, replacing them with a simple "." this morning, before I had a chance to read them, but you can get some of the quotes from his posts throughout. His caches have all been subsequently archived (except the Geocaching plaque), and I believe all of his cache logs have been removed as well...again. I don't know what to think. See for yourself forum responses, [url=http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=4016058331&m=37260368]here[/url] Ugh. Brian Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 18 02:29:15 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another one bites the dust...sort of In-Reply-To: <20030918011737.TIAG22020.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20030918022915.97496.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2109859068-1063852155=:97202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii His caches were placed on Navicache, then pulled from there as well. That's a shame. Arizona Imposter was a good one. Oh well. I had a similar idea before he posted his. Sometime soon, I'll put that one up. bcasteel@cox.net wrote:Well, if you haven't seen/heard the rumblings on the forums, Team360 has left the Geocaching scene...again, for self-proclaimed greener pastures on 'other sites'. He deleted all posts in the thread, replacing them with a simple "." this morning, before I had a chance to read them, but you can get some of the quotes from his posts throughout. His caches have all been subsequently archived (except the Geocaching plaque), and I believe all of his cache logs have been removed as well...again. I don't know what to think. See for yourself forum responses, [url=http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=4016058331&m=37260368]here[/url] Ugh. Brian Team A.I. ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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His caches were placed on Navicache, then pulled from there as well. That's a shame. Arizona Imposter was a good one. Oh well. I had a similar idea before he posted his. Sometime soon, I'll put that one up.

bcasteel@cox.net wrote:
Well, if you haven't seen/heard the rumblings on the forums, Team360 has left the Geocaching scene...again, for self-proclaimed greener pastures on 'other sites'.

He deleted all posts in the thread, replacing them with a simple "." this morning, before I had a chance to read them, but you can get some of the quotes from his posts throughout.

His caches have all been subsequently archived (except the Geocaching plaque), and I believe all of his cache logs have been removed as well...again.

I don't know what to think. See for yourself forum responses, [url=http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=4016058331&m=37260368]here[/url]

Ugh.

Brian
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Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
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See for yourself forum responses, [url=http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=401 6058331&m=37260368]here[/url] > > Ugh. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 18 02:43:40 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:43:40 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another one bites the dust...sort of Message-ID: <20030918024339.EHKF7829.fed1mtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> There's a number of things possible. One of which could have quite a bit to do with c*che_p*r*te. There are other claims made on the 'other' forums, but who knows? Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Randy Kinkel" > Date: 2003/09/17 Wed PM 10:31:46 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Another one bites the dust...sort of > > somebody fill me in, what caused 360's flight? does anybody know > for sure? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 6:17 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another one bites the dust...sort of > > > > Well, if you haven't seen/heard the rumblings on the forums, > Team360 has left the Geocaching scene...again, for > self-proclaimed greener pastures on 'other sites'. > > > > He deleted all posts in the thread, replacing them with a > simple "." this morning, before I had a chance to read them, but > you can get some of the quotes from his posts throughout. > > > > His caches have all been subsequently archived (except the > Geocaching plaque), and I believe all of his cache logs have been > removed as well...again. > > > > I don't know what to think. See for yourself forum responses, > [url=http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=401 > 6058331&m=37260368]here[/url] > > > > Ugh. > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 16 06:22:33 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:22:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. Message-ID: <20030915232234.11500.h003.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Hi list posters and lurkers, Just wanted to remind y'all that there will be an event cache in Prescott this Saturday (GCGW7T). I know it's early (0700), but we plan to go at about 0800 and it lasts until 0930. Here is some more info: 1) The weather is absolutely gorgeous....sunny but not too hot, and you can literally see forever. Beautiful clear blue skies (watch, it will rain Sat! LOL) 2) Gas is plentiful and relatively cheaper ($1.77 and less) 3) In addition to the Breakfast event, there are a number of things to do for the rest of the day to make the trip more "worthwhile": a. Your own caching, if you haven't been up here, or been here lately, there are a number and good variety of quality caches. Email me for suggestions if you wish. b. Some good 4x4 caching with Jeeps with Lincoln (listed on the cache page logs....these are some great trips!! c. Some "easier" caching with our team, SW of Prescott in the Wilhoit/Hassayampa River/Yarnell areas..we plan to spend the morning and nab a half dozen or so caches that aren't too strenuous. Please email me ahead of time if you are interested in joining us and I can give you details on which caches we plan to do. d. The Yavapai Co Fair...at the new fairgrounds on 89A between Prescott Valley and Mingis Mtn. In contrast to the huge state fair, this local fair is usually pretty laid-back with the usual rides, exhibits and animals, some special events, and less crowds and no gangs. A fun family day. e. The Duck Derby races at Sharlot Hall....not sure on the time but I believe around 10 am. See ya! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott (Valley) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 18 02:57:27 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:57:27 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Funny articles Message-ID: <20030918025731.UIWE22020.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Ok, not sure how many of you read TheOnion every Wednesday, but I thought I'd share a few of my favs... Revised Patriot Act Will Make It Illegal To Read Patriot Act WASHINGTON, DC—President Bush spoke out Monday in support of a revised version of the 2001 USA Patriot Act that would make it illegal to read the USA Patriot Act. "Under current federal law, there are unreasonable obstacles to investigating and prosecuting acts of terrorism, including the public's access to information about how the federal police will investigate and prosecute acts of terrorism," Bush said at a press conference Monday. "For the sake of the American people, I call on Congress to pass this important law prohibiting access to itself." Bush also proposed extending the rights of states to impose the death penalty "in the wake of Sept. 11 and stuff." Supreme Court Gets Free Box Of Shoes After Mentioning Nike In Ruling WASHINGTON, DC—The nine justices of the U.S. Supreme Court were treated to a free crate of athletic shoes Monday, following an offhand mention of Nike during a ruling in the case of McBrayer & Company v. The City Of Detroit. "All I did was say that the claims made by the defendant were similar to those made by Nike when defending labor conditions in its Asian footwear factories," Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said. "Next thing you know, we get this big box of red Air Zoom Spiridons in the mail. Inside the box was a form letter from Nike's publicist. Sweet!" The Supreme Court will begin its new session Oct. 6, with Case 03-130: Sony High-Definition Widescreen Televisions v. Fossil Sterling Silver Multifunction Watches v. Bombay Sapphire Gin. And for the latest in FDA approved medications: http://www.theonion.com/3936/news2.html Enjoy! Brian Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 16 01:57:02 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:57:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Navicache listings In-Reply-To: <20030916002702.1909.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01f501c37bf5$d3400ce0$6601a8c0@qwest.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01F6_01C37BBB.26E134E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't get it. I took a look. There are only 16 caches listed for = Arizona and 11 are yours. Obviously, nobody is using that site. What's the = point in double entry? =20 CacheLess -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of J = H/TEAM 360 Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:27 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Navicache listings I must say, I am a bit disappointed that there aren't more Arizona = caches listed on the "other" site, Navicache. I actually listed my caches over there as well today, and it's very user-friendly. They even have = easy-to-use buttons for handicapped access, parking lot, water, restroom facilities nearby, etc..when you list a cache, along with a better system for = adding clues. There is no reason why you can't put your caches on both = websites, I would like to see more support of this site. Just a thought, that's all. Jeff of TEAM 360. _____ =20 Do you Yahoo!? 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I=20 don't get it.  I took a look.  There are only 16 caches listed = for=20 Arizona and 11 are yours.  Obviously, nobody is using that = site. =20 What's the point in double entry?
 
CacheLess
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = J=20 H/TEAM 360
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:27 = PM
To:=20 az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Navicache listings

I must say, I am a bit disappointed that there aren't more = Arizona caches=20 listed on the "other" site, Navicache. I actually listed my caches = over there=20 as well today, and it's very user-friendly. They even have easy-to-use = buttons=20 for handicapped access, parking lot, water, restroom facilities = nearby,=20 etc..when you list a cache, along with a better system for adding = clues. There=20 is no reason why you can't put your caches on both websites, I would = like to=20 see more support of this site.
Just a thought, that's all.
Jeff of TEAM 360.

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------=_NextPart_000_01F6_01C37BBB.26E134E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 18 03:08:31 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:08:31 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Navicache listings Message-ID: <20030918030835.ULZA22020.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1063854511403_Q4UulDQF2M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's always the "you have to start somewhere" thing, but with caches listed in 180 countries on gc.com, it's akin to someone who can only program in QBasic taking on Microsoft in the battle for desktop dominance. Personally, unless they ban approval of ALL caches, I'm going to continue to support Groundspeak and TPTB over there, with the occasional grumbling when something ruffles my feathers. I love the forums on gc.com (700+ posts should hint at that), so why try to fight a losing battle by trying to convert the world's 60,000+ cachers to another site that in all likelihood couldn't handle the traffic? Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Bill Tomlinson" > Date: 2003/09/15 Mon PM 09:57:02 EDT > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Navicache listings > > I don't get it. I took a look. There are only 16 caches listed for Arizona > and 11 are yours. Obviously, nobody is using that site. What's the point > in double entry? > > CacheLess > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of J H/TEAM > 360 > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:27 PM > To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Navicache listings > > > I must say, I am a bit disappointed that there aren't more Arizona caches > listed on the "other" site, Navicache. I actually listed my caches over > there as well today, and it's very user-friendly. They even have easy-to-use > buttons for handicapped access, parking lot, water, restroom facilities > nearby, etc..when you list a cache, along with a better system for adding > clues. There is no reason why you can't put your caches on both websites, I > would like to see more support of this site. > Just a thought, that's all. > Jeff of TEAM 360. > > > > _____ > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > > ------=____1063854511403_Q4UulDQF2M Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply" Message
I don't get it.  I took a look.  There are only 16 caches listed for Arizona and 11 are yours.  Obviously, nobody is using that site.  What's the point in double entry?
 
CacheLess
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of J H/TEAM 360
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:27 PM
To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Navicache listings

I must say, I am a bit disappointed that there aren't more Arizona caches listed on the "other" site, Navicache. I actually listed my caches over there as well today, and it's very user-friendly. They even have easy-to-use buttons for handicapped access, parking lot, water, restroom facilities nearby, etc..when you list a cache, along with a better system for adding clues. There is no reason why you can't put your caches on both websites, I would like to see more support of this site.
Just a thought, that's all.
Jeff of TEAM 360.

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------=____1063854511403_Q4UulDQF2M-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 18 03:11:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another one bites the dust...sort of In-Reply-To: <000801c37d8d$01ca4600$6401a8c0@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <20030918031143.73955.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> --0-938526145-1063854703=:73671 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yesterday he said that he was harassed in the forums. One thread disappeared. Maybe it had to do with him, and maybe not. He had a poll about a virtual cache of his that apparently was getting a bit nasty. He said the cache approver told him that if he didn't like the fact that his virtual was not going to be approved, then he could just leave. Supposedly that is what he did. He posted his caches on navicache yesterday but has since pulled those as well and says he is quitting geocaching. That is basically what he posted in his grand farewell thread before he deleted it this morning. I wonder if he has some personal issues going on at the moment that may account for a bit of stress in his life and the way he reacted. Randy Kinkel wrote: somebody fill me in, what caused 360's flight? does anybody know for sure? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another one bites the dust...sort of > Well, if you haven't seen/heard the rumblings on the forums, Team360 has left the Geocaching scene...again, for self-proclaimed greener pastures on 'other sites'. > > He deleted all posts in the thread, replacing them with a simple "." this morning, before I had a chance to read them, but you can get some of the quotes from his posts throughout. > > His caches have all been subsequently archived (except the Geocaching plaque), and I believe all of his cache logs have been removed as well...again. > > I don't know what to think. See for yourself forum responses, [url=http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=401 6058331&m=37260368]here[/url] > > Ugh. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-938526145-1063854703=:73671 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Yesterday he said that he was harassed in the forums. One thread disappeared. Maybe it had to do with him, and maybe not. He had a poll about a virtual cache of his that apparently was getting a bit nasty. He said the cache approver told him that if he didn't like the fact that his virtual was not going to be approved, then he could just leave. Supposedly that is what he did. He posted his caches on navicache yesterday but has since pulled those as well and says he is quitting geocaching. That is basically what he posted in his grand farewell thread before he deleted it this morning. I wonder if he has some personal issues going on at the moment that may account for a bit of stress in his life and the way he reacted.
 
Randy Kinkel <ark45@cox.net> wrote:
somebody fill me in, what caused 360's flight? does anybody know
for sure?


----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 6:17 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another one bites the dust...sort of


> Well, if you haven't seen/heard the rumblings on the forums,
Team360 has left the Geocaching scene...again, for
self-proclaimed greener pastures on 'other sites'.
>
> He deleted all posts in the thread, replacing them with a
simple "." this morning, before I had a chance to read them, but
you can get some of the quotes from his posts throughout.
>
> His caches have all been subsequently archived (except the
Geocaching plaque), and I believe all of his cache logs have been
removed as well...again.
>
> I don't know what to think. See for yourself forum responses,
[url=http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=401
6058331&m=37260368]here[/url]
>
> Ugh.
>
> Brian
> Team A.I.
>
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Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-938526145-1063854703=:73671-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 18 03:37:01 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:37:01 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another one bites the dust...sort of Message-ID: <20030918033705.UUAE22020.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1063856221808_NjqvjnhE5X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He brought whatever happened in the forums on himself though. Through posting via emotion and not rational thought (threatening physical harm to another cacher for a difference of opinion? - the mysterious deleted thread). When things didn't go his way, it looked as though he was just blowing his lid and venting whatever was on his mind without formulating a response that would be taken by others in a more positive manner. The hostility was met with hostility. Oh, and that virtual which was denied was regarding a roadside sign on Hwy 93 (I believe). It was widely known that virtual caches were going to be denied until something could be determined with regards to their future within geocaching, such as creating a separate area like benchmarks. The thread became increasingly hostile toward admins and others who thought a micro could go there in place of it. Here it is: http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=4016058331&m=87260948&r=32360948#32360948 The same thing happened several months ago when he made his initial withdrawl from geocaching. Brian Team A.I. > > From: Gale Draper > Date: 2003/09/17 Wed PM 11:11:43 EDT > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Another one bites the dust...sort of > > Yesterday he said that he was harassed in the forums. One thread disappeared. Maybe it had to do with him, and maybe not. He had a poll about a virtual cache of his that apparently was getting a bit nasty. He said the cache approver told him that if he didn't like the fact that his virtual was not going to be approved, then he could just leave. Supposedly that is what he did. He posted his caches on navicache yesterday but has since pulled those as well and says he is quitting geocaching. That is basically what he posted in his grand farewell thread before he deleted it this morning. I wonder if he has some personal issues going on at the moment that may account for a bit of stress in his life and the way he reacted. > > Randy Kinkel wrote: > somebody fill me in, what caused 360's flight? does anybody know > for sure? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 6:17 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another one bites the dust...sort of > > > > Well, if you haven't seen/heard the rumblings on the forums, > Team360 has left the Geocaching scene...again, for > self-proclaimed greener pastures on 'other sites'. > > > > He deleted all posts in the thread, replacing them with a > simple "." this morning, before I had a chance to read them, but > you can get some of the quotes from his posts throughout. > > > > His caches have all been subsequently archived (except the > Geocaching plaque), and I believe all of his cache logs have been > removed as well...again. > > > > I don't know what to think. See for yourself forum responses, > [url=http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=401 > 6058331&m=37260368]here[/url] > > > > Ugh. > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking > > Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes > On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: > "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- > "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" > > > > Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > ------=____1063856221808_NjqvjnhE5X Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
Yesterday he said that he was harassed in the forums. One thread disappeared. Maybe it had to do with him, and maybe not. He had a poll about a virtual cache of his that apparently was getting a bit nasty. He said the cache approver told him that if he didn't like the fact that his virtual was not going to be approved, then he could just leave. Supposedly that is what he did. He posted his caches on navicache yesterday but has since pulled those as well and says he is quitting geocaching. That is basically what he posted in his grand farewell thread before he deleted it this morning. I wonder if he has some personal issues going on at the moment that may account for a bit of stress in his life and the way he reacted.
 
Randy Kinkel <ark45@cox.net> wrote:
somebody fill me in, what caused 360's flight? does anybody know
for sure?


----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 6:17 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another one bites the dust...sort of


> Well, if you haven't seen/heard the rumblings on the forums,
Team360 has left the Geocaching scene...again, for
self-proclaimed greener pastures on 'other sites'.
>
> He deleted all posts in the thread, replacing them with a
simple "." this morning, before I had a chance to read them, but
you can get some of the quotes from his posts throughout.
>
> His caches have all been subsequently archived (except the
Geocaching plaque), and I believe all of his cache logs have been
removed as well...again.
>
> I don't know what to think. See for yourself forum responses,
[url=http://ubbx.groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=401
6058331&m=37260368]here[/url]
>
> Ugh.
>
> Brian
> Team A.I.
>
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> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:
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>
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Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------=____1063856221808_NjqvjnhE5X-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 18 04:12:02 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:12:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Funny articles Message-ID: <20030917211203.29239.h006.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Didn't another active list-poster get hammered by somebody for posting something humorous? A whole snit about "off-topic" resulted, and feelings were hurt (but this person is more mature than most and didn't "leave"....) Brian, I'm not slamming you, I'm just pointing this out. To be "FAIR"....IS the same person who complained before going to step up and complain about "off-topic" humor posted now? Personally Brian, I don't care if you post stuff like this, and it was funny :-), Just defending a friend. Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:57:27 -0400, bcasteel@cox.net wrote: > > Ok, not sure how many of you read TheOnion every Wednesday, but I > thought I'd share a few of my favs... > > Revised Patriot Act Will Make It Illegal To Read Patriot Act > WASHINGTON, DC—President Bush spoke out Monday in support of a revised > version of the 2001 USA Patriot Act that would make it illegal to read > the USA Patriot Act. "Under current federal law, there are > unreasonable obstacles to investigating and prosecuting acts of > terrorism, including the public's access to information about how the > federal police will investigate and prosecute acts of terrorism," Bush > said at a press conference Monday. "For the sake of the American > people, I call on Congress to pass this important law prohibiting > access to itself." Bush also proposed extending the rights of states > to impose the death penalty "in the wake of Sept. 11 and stuff." > > Supreme Court Gets Free Box Of Shoes After Mentioning Nike In Ruling > WASHINGTON, DC—The nine justices of the U.S. Supreme Court were > treated to a free crate of athletic shoes Monday, following an offhand > mention of Nike during a ruling in the case of McBrayer & Company v. > The City Of Detroit. "All I did was say that the claims made by the > defendant were similar to those made by Nike when defending labor > conditions in its Asian footwear factories," Justice Ruth Bader > Ginsburg said. "Next thing you know, we get this big box of red Air > Zoom Spiridons in the mail. Inside the box was a form letter from > Nike's publicist. Sweet!" The Supreme Court will begin its new session > Oct. 6, with Case 03-130: Sony High-Definition Widescreen Televisions > v. Fossil Sterling Silver Multifunction Watches v. Bombay Sapphire Gin. > > And for the latest in FDA approved medications: > > http://www.theonion.com/3936/news2.html > > Enjoy! > > Brian > Team A.I. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 18 04:29:33 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Bay) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:29:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway Message-ID: I for one, think that this is a great idea. It's funny also, I was driving home from school today and was noticing a very large amount of trash that was building up on the roadside. Then I started to think how I should do something about it. I get home and this topic is posted on the server, almost like a sign from above. You have my participation, for sure, if this works out. ~Eric Crazyebay >From: "Brian Casteel" >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway >Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:20:21 -0700 > >I was actually thinking about that yesterday (kinda let it slip through the >cracks). As soon as I get time this week, I'm going to submit the >paperwork >for a stretch of the Beeline probably near McDowell/87. > >Brian >Team A.I. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Koch, Dan" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:03 PM >Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway > > > > Hey Brian, > > > > What ever happened with this initiative? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian Casteel [mailto:bcasteel@cox.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:51 PM > > To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway > > > > > > Folks, > > > > I was driving around last week and started to take notice of the > > Adopt-A-Highway signs, and thought it might be a great benefit to the > > community (not to mention great PR) if the AZ Geocachers were to perhaps > > select a highway segment to maintain. I e-mailed Mark Schalliol with >ADOT, > > and inquired about the program and asked for a list of available highway > > segments around Phoenix. He provided me with a list of 6. > > > > SR87 > > Both directions MP181-182 (between Mcdowell and Gilbert) > > Both directions MP186-187 (between Gilbert and Shea) > > SB MP200.8-202.8 (near Four Peaks) > > > > SR347 (Maricopa Rd) Both directions 184.24-185.25 > > > > SR587 (south of Chandler) > > Both directions MP 218.6-221 (Jct 87 to RWCD canal) > > Both directions MP 223-225 (Gila River to I-10) > > > > The jist of the thing is this: ADOT would require 4x annually pickup of >the > > area we would be assigned. I would also consult the powers-that-be and >look > > to get approval for each cleanup as an event cache, which could conclude > > with a picnic/bbq at a nearby park. Another stipulation that I feel is > > critical is that a working group of 6-10 people would be needed for each > > cleanup. I'd truly hope I would be able to get at least a half-dozen of >you > > out there to help cleanup. > > > > I have all the contact information and would be willing to assume the >role > > of coordinator for the venture. Let me know by either private mail or > > listserv what the interest is among the people. > > > > BTW, we would get our own sign! Arizona Geocachers on an >Adopt-A-Highway > > sign would be just too cool. > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com _________________________________________________________________ Try MSN Messenger 6.0 with integrated webcam functionality! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_webcam From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 18 04:47:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 0:47:22 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Funny articles Message-ID: <20030918044723.FAUB11104.fed1mtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Now that you mention it, someone was slammed for that very thing. I agreed that at the time it was stupid to slam for something like that, but understood the point. We all get the Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Funny Stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111 messages from people who are just to ignorant to know how annoying they are. I also understand that this could be construed as the same thing. If so, big deal. I'm not going to put a hollow point through my skull because someone didn't like it. They can go pound sand for all I care. :) I'll re-evaluate any future funny ha-ha stuff at another date when the mood strikes me to make a few of you laugh about the same thing I did. I'm glad it made at least someone laugh tonight though. I got a kick out of the Patriot Act one. Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Trisha" > Date: 2003/09/18 Thu AM 12:12:02 EDT > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Funny articles > > Didn't another active list-poster get hammered by somebody for posting > something humorous? A whole snit about "off-topic" resulted, and > feelings were hurt (but this person is more mature than most and > didn't "leave"....) > Brian, I'm not slamming you, I'm just pointing this out. To be > "FAIR"....IS the same person who complained before going to step up > and complain about "off-topic" humor posted now? > > Personally Brian, I don't care if you post stuff like this, and it was > funny :-), Just defending a friend. > > Trisha "Lightning" > Prescott > > > > On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:57:27 -0400, bcasteel@cox.net wrote: > > > > > Ok, not sure how many of you read TheOnion every Wednesday, but I > > thought I'd share a few of my favs... > > > > Revised Patriot Act Will Make It Illegal To Read Patriot Act > > WASHINGTON, DC—President Bush spoke out Monday in support of a > revised > > version of the 2001 USA Patriot Act that would make it illegal to > read > > the USA Patriot Act. "Under current federal law, there are > > unreasonable obstacles to investigating and prosecuting acts of > > terrorism, including the public's access to information about how the > > federal police will investigate and prosecute acts of terrorism," > Bush > > said at a press conference Monday. "For the sake of the American > > people, I call on Congress to pass this important law prohibiting > > access to itself." Bush also proposed extending the rights of states > > to impose the death penalty "in the wake of Sept. 11 and stuff." > > > > Supreme Court Gets Free Box Of Shoes After Mentioning Nike In Ruling > > WASHINGTON, DC—The nine justices of the U.S. Supreme Court were > > treated to a free crate of athletic shoes Monday, following an > offhand > > mention of Nike during a ruling in the case of McBrayer & Company v. > > The City Of Detroit. "All I did was say that the claims made by the > > defendant were similar to those made by Nike when defending labor > > conditions in its Asian footwear factories," Justice Ruth Bader > > Ginsburg said. "Next thing you know, we get this big box of red Air > > Zoom Spiridons in the mail. Inside the box was a form letter from > > Nike's publicist. Sweet!" The Supreme Court will begin its new > session > > Oct. 6, with Case 03-130: Sony High-Definition Widescreen Televisions > > v. Fossil Sterling Silver Multifunction Watches v. Bombay Sapphire > Gin. > > > > And for the latest in FDA approved medications: > > > > http://www.theonion.com/3936/news2.html > > > > Enjoy! > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 18 04:50:13 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 0:50:13 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway Message-ID: <20030918045017.VOKD22020.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> I looked into this before I went on vacation in July and got all the materials to review a short time later. However, in all of my doings, I put the paperwork on a shelf right next to me, and omitted from memory that it was there, except at 2am when I was in bed and trying to fall asleep. The proverbial ball will not be dropped again, I assure you. It should be a good time, and a positive aspect of geocaching that people don't often get to see. Perhaps we could even turn one of the cleanups into a great news article to somewhat counteract the bad press written by slanted reporters. Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Eric Bay" > Date: 2003/09/18 Thu AM 12:29:33 EDT > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway > > I for one, think that this is a great idea. It's funny also, I was driving > home from school today and was noticing a very large amount of trash that > was building up on the roadside. Then I started to think how I should do > something about it. I get home and this topic is posted on the server, > almost like a sign from above. You have my participation, for sure, if this > works out. > > ~Eric > Crazyebay > > > >From: "Brian Casteel" > >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway > >Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:20:21 -0700 > > > >I was actually thinking about that yesterday (kinda let it slip through the > >cracks). As soon as I get time this week, I'm going to submit the > >paperwork > >for a stretch of the Beeline probably near McDowell/87. > > > >Brian > >Team A.I. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Koch, Dan" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:03 PM > >Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway > > > > > > > Hey Brian, > > > > > > What ever happened with this initiative? > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Brian Casteel [mailto:bcasteel@cox.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:51 PM > > > To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > I was driving around last week and started to take notice of the > > > Adopt-A-Highway signs, and thought it might be a great benefit to the > > > community (not to mention great PR) if the AZ Geocachers were to perhaps > > > select a highway segment to maintain. I e-mailed Mark Schalliol with > >ADOT, > > > and inquired about the program and asked for a list of available highway > > > segments around Phoenix. He provided me with a list of 6. > > > > > > SR87 > > > Both directions MP181-182 (between Mcdowell and Gilbert) > > > Both directions MP186-187 (between Gilbert and Shea) > > > SB MP200.8-202.8 (near Four Peaks) > > > > > > SR347 (Maricopa Rd) Both directions 184.24-185.25 > > > > > > SR587 (south of Chandler) > > > Both directions MP 218.6-221 (Jct 87 to RWCD canal) > > > Both directions MP 223-225 (Gila River to I-10) > > > > > > The jist of the thing is this: ADOT would require 4x annually pickup of > >the > > > area we would be assigned. I would also consult the powers-that-be and > >look > > > to get approval for each cleanup as an event cache, which could conclude > > > with a picnic/bbq at a nearby park. Another stipulation that I feel is > > > critical is that a working group of 6-10 people would be needed for each > > > cleanup. I'd truly hope I would be able to get at least a half-dozen of > >you > > > out there to help cleanup. > > > > > > I have all the contact information and would be willing to assume the > >role > > > of coordinator for the venture. Let me know by either private mail or > > > listserv what the interest is among the people. > > > > > > BTW, we would get our own sign! Arizona Geocachers on an > >Adopt-A-Highway > > > sign would be just too cool. > > > > > > Brian > > > Team A.I. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________ > >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Try MSN Messenger 6.0 with integrated webcam functionality! > http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_webcam > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 18 05:06:47 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:06:47 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Funny articles In-Reply-To: <20030917211203.29239.h006.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.critica lpath.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030917220216.013b2ad8@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 09:12 PM 9/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Didn't another active list-poster get hammered by somebody for posting >something humorous? A whole snit about "off-topic" resulted, and >feelings were hurt (but this person is more mature than most and >didn't "leave"....) I assume you are calling me immature. >Brian, I'm not slamming you, I'm just pointing this out. To be >"FAIR"....IS the same person who complained before going to step up >and complain about "off-topic" humor posted now? Why bother. After the vicious, nasty things people called me via private email after I complained about reading a post on the list that I had seen atleast 4 times that day already, I just came to the realization that there are many people on this list that were not all that friendly. At least I spoke my mind in an open forum. Heck, those that agreed with me via private mail didn't even bother to stand up and express their opinions in the public forum. The one things that I have learned about this list is that you are damned if you have an opinion, and damned to hell if you actually express that opinion. I decided to check out the list after having been gone for a little while, but I see that very little has changed. Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 18 05:52:23 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs In-Reply-To: <200309180555.WAA13160@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: <20030918055223.71800.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> --0-663476330-1063864343=:69962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey Brian, before you roast me in a public forum, maybe ask me what is going on. I will tell you what really happened here, and it has very little to do with getting that virtual posted. The only thing I did was to say that I was going to list my caches elsewhere, on the advice of an Admin at GC.com. All of a sudden I felt like I was married to the Mob, they wouldn't let me just leave. "Oh my God, is he really going against the will of the almighty Geocaching.com?" SHAME, SHAME ON TEAM 360! I got called all sorts of things: irrational, childish, emotional....the same old cliches from the same old narrow-minded people on that board, the so-called "intellectuals". HA. Try to do something on your own, and you are branded a heretic. The way they acted against me, you would swear that the Spanish Inquisition had come to town just to visit ME. I don't want to play the numbers game against the rest of the world, so I wiped my cache finds in order not to be tracked. I still have a co py of every find in a personal book I keep. Nothing wrong with that. It's taken a great weight off my shoulders. For those of you who may be upset that I did so, I apologize for any heartache it may cause until the next cacher logs a find and fills the void. Oh, I may still get out there and cache, but only to write it in my own records, not logging it online. I can do that, right? Or will I get ostracized here in Arizona as well for doing that? If that's the case, then so be it. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-663476330-1063864343=:69962 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hey Brian, before you roast me in a public forum, maybe ask me what is going on. I will tell you what really happened here, and it has very little to do with getting that virtual posted. The only thing I did was to say that I was going to list my caches elsewhere, on the advice of an Admin at GC.com. All of a sudden I felt like I was married to the Mob, they wouldn't let me just leave. "Oh my God, is he really going against the will of the almighty Geocaching.com?" SHAME, SHAME ON TEAM 360! I got called all sorts of things: irrational, childish, emotional....the same old cliches from the same old narrow-minded people on that board, the so-called "intellectuals". HA. Try to do something on your own, and you are branded a heretic. The way they acted against me, you would swear that the Spanish Inquisition had come to town just to visit ME. I don't want to play the numbers game against the rest of the world, so I wiped my cache finds in order not to be tracked. I still have a copy of every find in a personal book I keep. Nothing wrong with that. It's taken a great weight off my shoulders. For those of you who may be upset that I did so, I apologize for any heartache it may cause until the next cacher logs a find and fills the void. Oh, I may still get out there and cache, but only to write it in my own records, not logging it online. I can do that, right? Or will I get ostracized here in Arizona as well for doing that? If that's the case, then so be it.
 

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-663476330-1063864343=:69962-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 18 06:31:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:31:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs References: <20030918055223.71800.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d501c37dae$86b164e0$0600a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C37D73.DA3D0910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 3 reactions you listed I've seen in posts on the forums, and they = weren't off the mark at all. I called it as I saw it, and don't regret = that. =20 Since you've deleted your caches from both gc.com AND navi, wouldn't it = have been better overall for the caching community to simply ask for = someone to take them over for you? That would have kept the caches in = circulation and allowed others to find them. Instead, everything is = deleted from gc.com, posted at navi, deleted from navi..... perhaps a = conclusion can be reached and stuck to this time. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J H/TEAM 360=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:52 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 = msgs Hey Brian, before you roast me in a public forum, maybe ask me what is = going on. I will tell you what really happened here, and it has very = little to do with getting that virtual posted. The only thing I did was = to say that I was going to list my caches elsewhere, on the advice of an = Admin at GC.com. All of a sudden I felt like I was married to the Mob, = they wouldn't let me just leave. "Oh my God, is he really going against = the will of the almighty Geocaching.com?" SHAME, SHAME ON TEAM 360! I = got called all sorts of things: irrational, childish, emotional....the = same old cliches from the same old narrow-minded people on that board, = the so-called "intellectuals". HA. Try to do something on your own, and = you are branded a heretic. The way they acted against me, you would = swear that the Spanish Inquisition had come to town just to visit ME. I = don't want to play the numbers game against the rest of the world, so I = wiped my cache finds in order not to be tracked. I still have a copy of = every find in a personal book I keep. Nothing wrong with that. It's = taken a great weight off my shoulders. For those of you who may be upset = that I did so, I apologize for any heartache it may cause until the next = cacher logs a find and fills the void. Oh, I may still get out there and = cache, but only to write it in my own records, not logging it online. I = can do that, right? Or will I get ostracized here in Arizona as well for = doing that? If that's the case, then so be it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C37D73.DA3D0910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The 3 reactions you listed I've seen in = posts on=20 the forums, and they weren't off the mark at all.  I called it as I = saw it,=20 and don't regret that. 
 
Since you've deleted your caches from = both gc.com=20 AND navi, wouldn't it have been better overall for the caching community = to=20 simply ask for someone to take them over for you?  That would have = kept the=20 caches in circulation and allowed others to find them.  Instead, = everything=20 is deleted from gc.com, posted at navi, deleted from navi.....  = perhaps a=20 conclusion can be reached and stuck to this time.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J = H/TEAM=20 360
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, = 2003 10:52=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re:=20 Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs

Hey Brian, before you roast me in a public forum, maybe ask me = what is=20 going on. I will tell you what really happened here, and it has very = little to=20 do with getting that virtual posted. The only thing I did was to say = that I=20 was going to list my caches elsewhere, on the advice of an Admin at = GC.com.=20 All of a sudden I felt like I was married to the Mob, they wouldn't = let me=20 just leave. "Oh my God, is he really going against the will of the = almighty=20 Geocaching.com?" SHAME, SHAME ON TEAM 360! I got called all sorts of = things:=20 irrational, childish, emotional....the same old cliches from the same = old=20 narrow-minded people on that board, the so-called "intellectuals". HA. = Try to=20 do something on your own, and you are branded a heretic. The way they = acted=20 against me, you would swear that the Spanish Inquisition had come to = town just=20 to visit ME. I don't want to play the numbers game against the rest of = the=20 world, so I wiped my cache finds in order not to be tracked. I still = have a=20 copy of every find in a personal book I keep. Nothing wrong with that. = It's=20 taken a great weight off my shoulders. For those of you who may be = upset that=20 I did so, I apologize for any heartache it may cause until the next = cacher=20 logs a find and fills the void. Oh, I may still get out there and = cache, but=20 only to write it in my own records, not logging it online. I can do = that,=20 right? Or will I get ostracized here in Arizona as well for doing = that? If=20 that's the case, then so be it.
 

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Yahoo!=20 SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design=20 software ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C37D73.DA3D0910-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 18 06:54:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Randy Kinkel) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:54:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs References: <20030918055223.71800.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002901c37db1$bdba6a60$6401a8c0@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C37D77.110F4720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Team 360-- Wish you'd reconsider--I will miss your participation in the forums and = your caches! Thanks also for helping out this novice cacher with = advice!=20 Randy "Mozartman" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J H/TEAM 360=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:52 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 = msgs Hey Brian, before you roast me in a public forum, maybe ask me what is = going on. I will tell you what really happened here, and it has very = little to do with getting that virtual posted. The only thing I did was = to say that I was going to list my caches elsewhere, on the advice of an = Admin at GC.com. All of a sudden I felt like I was married to the Mob, = they wouldn't let me just leave. "Oh my God, is he really going against = the will of the almighty Geocaching.com?" SHAME, SHAME ON TEAM 360! I = got called all sorts of things: irrational, childish, emotional....the = same old cliches from the same old narrow-minded people on that board, = the so-called "intellectuals". HA. Try to do something on your own, and = you are branded a heretic. The way they acted against me, you would = swear that the Spanish Inquisition had come to town just to visit ME. I = don't want to play the numbers game against the rest of the world, so I = wiped my cache finds in order not to be tracked. I still have a copy of = every find in a personal book I keep. Nothing wrong with that. It's = taken a great weight off my shoulders. For those of you who may be upset = that I did so, I apologize for any heartache it may cause until the next = cacher logs a find and fills the void. Oh, I may still get out there and = cache, but only to write it in my own records, not logging it online. I = can do that, right? Or will I get ostracized here in Arizona as well for = doing that? If that's the case, then so be it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C37D77.110F4720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Team 360--
 
Wish you'd reconsider--I will miss your = participation in the forums and your caches!  Thanks also for=20 helping out this novice cacher with advice!
 
Randy "Mozartman"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J = H/TEAM=20 360
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, = 2003 10:52=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re:=20 Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs

Hey Brian, before you roast me in a public forum, maybe ask me = what is=20 going on. I will tell you what really happened here, and it has very = little to=20 do with getting that virtual posted. The only thing I did was to say = that I=20 was going to list my caches elsewhere, on the advice of an Admin at = GC.com.=20 All of a sudden I felt like I was married to the Mob, they wouldn't = let me=20 just leave. "Oh my God, is he really going against the will of the = almighty=20 Geocaching.com?" SHAME, SHAME ON TEAM 360! I got called all sorts of = things:=20 irrational, childish, emotional....the same old cliches from the same = old=20 narrow-minded people on that board, the so-called "intellectuals". HA. = Try to=20 do something on your own, and you are branded a heretic. The way they = acted=20 against me, you would swear that the Spanish Inquisition had come to = town just=20 to visit ME. I don't want to play the numbers game against the rest of = the=20 world, so I wiped my cache finds in order not to be tracked. I still = have a=20 copy of every find in a personal book I keep. Nothing wrong with that. = It's=20 taken a great weight off my shoulders. For those of you who may be = upset that=20 I did so, I apologize for any heartache it may cause until the next = cacher=20 logs a find and fills the void. Oh, I may still get out there and = cache, but=20 only to write it in my own records, not logging it online. I can do = that,=20 right? Or will I get ostracized here in Arizona as well for doing = that? If=20 that's the case, then so be it.
 

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Yahoo!=20 SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design=20 software ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C37D77.110F4720-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 18 07:04:31 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Tennis) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. Message-ID: <20030918070431.80660.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1793992729-1063868671=:70085 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I plan on being there around 8:30-9:00. I very much look forward to this event. If anybody from the Phoenix area would like to carpool, I have 2 seats in the back open for the trip (I am only bringing one person). Just let me know by e-mail if you are interested and we can share the price of gas (My Elantra gets great gas mileage). Anyways, hope to see most of you there! Frieza --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1793992729-1063868671=:70085 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I plan on being there around 8:30-9:00. I very much look forward to this event. If anybody from the Phoenix area would like to carpool, I have 2 seats in the back open for the trip (I am only bringing one person). Just let me know by e-mail if you are interested and we can share the price of gas (My Elantra gets great gas mileage). Anyways, hope to see most of you there!
 
Frieza

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1793992729-1063868671=:70085-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 18 20:20:15 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] my viewpoint In-Reply-To: <200309181905.MAA16201@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: <20030918202015.95148.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2017181685-1063916415=:94910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "perhaps a conclusion can be reached and stuck to this time." It already has been. az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com wrote: Send Az-Geocaching mailing list submissions to az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com You can reach the person managing the list at az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Az-Geocaching digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs (J H/TEAM 360) 2. Re: Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs (Brian Casteel) 3. Re: Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs (Randy Kinkel) 4. Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. (Mark Tennis) > ATTACHMENT part 3.1 message/rfc822 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:52:23 -0700 (PDT) From: J H/TEAM 360 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs Hey Brian, before you roast me in a public forum, maybe ask me what is going on. I will tell you what really happened here, and it has very little to do with getting that virtual posted. The only thing I did was to say that I was going to list my caches elsewhere, on the advice of an Admin at GC.com. All of a sudden I felt like I was married to the Mob, they wouldn't let me just leave. "Oh my God, is he really going against the will of the almighty Geocaching.com?" SHAME, SHAME ON TEAM 360! I got called all sorts of things: irrational, childish, emotional....the same old cliches from the same old narrow-minded people on that board, the so-called "intellectuals". HA. Try to do something on your own, and you are branded a heretic. The way they acted against me, you would swear that the Spanish Inquisition had come to town just to visit ME. I don't want to play the numbers game against the rest of the world, so I wiped my cache finds in order not to be tracked. I still have a co py of every find in a personal book I keep. Nothing wrong with that. It's taken a great weight off my shoulders. For those of you who may be upset that I did so, I apologize for any heartache it may cause until the next cacher logs a find and fills the void. Oh, I may still get out there and cache, but only to write it in my own records, not logging it online. I can do that, right? Or will I get ostracized here in Arizona as well for doing that? If that's the case, then so be it. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > ATTACHMENT part 3.2 message/rfc822 From: "Brian Casteel" To: Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:31:43 -0700 The 3 reactions you listed I've seen in posts on the forums, and they weren't off the mark at all. I called it as I saw it, and don't regret that. Since you've deleted your caches from both gc.com AND navi, wouldn't it have been better overall for the caching community to simply ask for someone to take them over for you? That would have kept the caches in circulation and allowed others to find them. Instead, everything is deleted from gc.com, posted at navi, deleted from navi..... perhaps a conclusion can be reached and stuck to this time. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: J H/TEAM 360 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:52 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs Hey Brian, before you roast me in a public forum, maybe ask me what is going on. I will tell you what really happened here, and it has very little to do with getting that virtual posted. The only thing I did was to say that I was going to list my caches elsewhere, on the advice of an Admin at GC.com. All of a sudden I felt like I was married to the Mob, they wouldn't let me just leave. "Oh my God, is he really going against the will of the almighty Geocaching.com?" SHAME, SHAME ON TEAM 360! I got called all sorts of things: irrational, childish, emotional....the same old cliches from the same old narrow-minded people on that board, the so-called "intellectuals". HA. Try to do something on your own, and you are branded a heretic. The way they acted against me, you would swear that the Spanish Inquisition had come to town just to visit ME. I don't want to play the numbers game against the rest of the world, so I wiped my cache finds in order not to be tracked. I still have a co py of every find in a personal book I keep. Nothing wrong with that. It's taken a great weight off my shoulders. For those of you who may be upset that I did so, I apologize for any heartache it may cause until the next cacher logs a find and fills the void. Oh, I may still get out there and cache, but only to write it in my own records, not logging it online. I can do that, right? Or will I get ostracized here in Arizona as well for doing that? If that's the case, then so be it. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > ATTACHMENT part 3.3 message/rfc822 From: "Randy Kinkel" To: Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:54:43 -0700 Hi, Team 360-- Wish you'd reconsider--I will miss your participation in the forums and your caches! Thanks also for helping out this novice cacher with advice! Randy "Mozartman" ----- Original Message ----- From: J H/TEAM 360 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:52 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs Hey Brian, before you roast me in a public forum, maybe ask me what is going on. I will tell you what really happened here, and it has very little to do with getting that virtual posted. The only thing I did was to say that I was going to list my caches elsewhere, on the advice of an Admin at GC.com. All of a sudden I felt like I was married to the Mob, they wouldn't let me just leave. "Oh my God, is he really going against the will of the almighty Geocaching.com?" SHAME, SHAME ON TEAM 360! I got called all sorts of things: irrational, childish, emotional....the same old cliches from the same old narrow-minded people on that board, the so-called "intellectuals". HA. Try to do something on your own, and you are branded a heretic. The way they acted against me, you would swear that the Spanish Inquisition had come to town just to visit ME. I don't want to play the numbers game against the rest of the world, so I wiped my cache finds in order not to be tracked. I still have a co py of every find in a personal book I keep. Nothing wrong with that. It's taken a great weight off my shoulders. For those of you who may be upset that I did so, I apologize for any heartache it may cause until the next cacher logs a find and fills the void. Oh, I may still get out there and cache, but only to write it in my own records, not logging it online. I can do that, right? Or will I get ostracized here in Arizona as well for doing that? If that's the case, then so be it. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > ATTACHMENT part 3.4 message/rfc822 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:04:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Tennis To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. I plan on being there around 8:30-9:00. I very much look forward to this event. If anybody from the Phoenix area would like to carpool, I have 2 seats in the back open for the trip (I am only bringing one person). Just let me know by e-mail if you are interested and we can share the price of gas (My Elantra gets great gas mileage). Anyways, hope to see most of you there! Frieza --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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1. Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs (J H/TEAM 360)
2. Re: Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs (Brian Casteel)
3. Re: Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs (Randy Kinkel)
4. Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. (Mark Tennis)


> ATTACHME NT part 3.1 message/rfc822
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:52:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: J H/TEAM 360
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs

Hey Brian, before you roast me in a public forum, maybe ask me what is going on. I will tell you what really happened here, and it has very little to do with getting that virtual posted. The only thing I did was to say that I was going to list my caches elsewhere, on the advice of an Admin at GC.com. All of a sudden I felt like I was married to the Mob, they wouldn't let me just leave. "Oh my God, is he really going against the will of the almighty Geocaching.com?" SHAME, SHAME ON TEAM 360! I got called all sorts of things: irrational, childish, emotional....the same old cliches from the same old narrow-minded people on that board, the so-called "intellectuals". HA. Try to do something on your own, and you are branded a heretic. The way they acted against me, you would swear that the Spanish Inquisition had come to town just to visit ME. I don't want to play the numbers game against the rest of the world, so I wiped my cache finds in order not to be tracked. I still have a copy of every find in a personal book I keep. Nothing wrong with that. It's taken a great weight off my shoulders. For those of you who may be upset that I did so, I apologize for any heartache it may cause until the next cacher logs a find and fills the void. Oh, I may still get out there and cache, but only to write it in my own records, not logging it online. I can do that, right? Or will I get ostracized here in Arizona as well for doing that? If that's the case, then so be it.
 

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> ATTACHMENT part 3.2 message/rfc822
From: "Brian Casteel"
To:
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:31:43 -0700

The 3 reactions you listed I've seen in posts on the forums, and they weren't off the mark at all.  I called it as I saw it, and don't regret that. 
 
Since you've deleted your caches from both gc.com AND navi, wouldn't it have been better overall for the caching community to simply ask for someone to take them over for you?  That would have kept the caches in circulation and allowed others to find them.  Instead, everything is deleted from gc.com, posted at navi, deleted from navi.....  perhaps a conclusion can be reached and stuck to this time.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:52 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs

Hey Brian, before you roast me in a public forum, maybe ask me what is going on. I will tell you what really happened here, and it has very little to do with getting that virtual posted. The only thing I did was to say that I was going to list my caches elsewhere, on the advice of an Admin at GC.com. All of a sudden I felt like I was married to the Mob, they wouldn't let me just leave. "Oh my God, is he really going against the will of the almighty Geocaching.com?" SHAME, SHAME ON TEAM 360! I got called all sorts of things: irrational, childish, emotional....the same old cliches from the same old narrow-minded people on that board, the so-called "intellectuals". HA. Try to do something on your own, and you are branded a heretic. The way they acted against me, you would swear that the Spanish Inquisition had come to town just to visit ME. I don't want to play the numbers game against the rest of the world, so I wiped my cache finds in order not to be tracked. I still have a copy of every find in a personal book I keep. Nothing wrong with that. It's taken a great weight off my shoulders. For those of you who may be upset that I did so, I apologize for any heartache it may cause until the next cacher logs a find and fills the void. Oh, I may still get out there and cache, but only to write it in my own records, not logging it online. I can do that, right? Or will I get ostracized here in Arizona as well for doing that? If that's the case, then so be it.
 

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> ATTACHMENT part 3.3 message/rfc822
From: "Randy Kinkel"
To:
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:54:43 -0700

Hi, Team 360--
 
Wish you'd reconsider--I will miss your participation in the forums and your caches!  Thanks also for helping out this novice cacher with advice!
 
Randy "Mozartman"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:52 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 6 msgs

Hey Brian, before you roast me in a public forum, maybe ask me what is going on. I will tell you what really happened here, and it has very little to do with getting that virtual posted. The only thing I did was to say that I was going to list my caches elsewhere, on the advice of an Admin at GC.com. All of a sudden I felt like I was married to the Mob, they wouldn't let me just leave. "Oh my God, is he really going against the will of the almighty Geocaching.com?" SHAME, SHAME ON TEAM 360! I got called all sorts of things: irrational, childish, emotional....the same old cliches from the same old narrow-minded people on that board, the so-called "intellectuals". HA. Try to do something on your own, and you are branded a heretic. The way they acted against me, you would swear that the Spanish Inquisition had come to town just to visit ME. I don't want to play the numbers game against the rest of the world, so I wiped my cache finds in order not to be tracked. I still have a copy of every find in a personal book I keep. Nothing wrong with that. It's taken a great weight off my shoulders. For those of you who may be upset that I did so, I apologize for any heartache it may cause until the next cacher logs a find and fills the void. Oh, I may still get out there and cache, but only to write it in my own records, not logging it online. I can do that, right? Or will I get ostracized here in Arizona as well for doing that? If that's the case, then so be it.
 

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> ATTACHMENT part 3.4 message/rfc822
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:04:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark Tennis
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat.

I plan on being there around 8:30-9:00. I very much look forward to this event. If anybody from the Phoenix area would like to carpool, I have 2 seats in the back open for the trip (I am only bringing one person). Just let me know by e-mail if you are interested and we can share the price of gas (My Elantra gets great gas mileage). Anyways, hope to see most of you there!
 
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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-2017181685-1063916415=:94910-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 19 19:43:57 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:43:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Anniversary Message-ID: <3F6B5C7D.1000103@mchsi.com> Today (September 19, 2003) marks the one year anniversary of Team Sprocket's first cache hunt. Today also marks our 652nd cache found in the past year. I've really enjoyed this hobby/sport/obsession and want to take a moment to thank all of those who have contributed to the sport by hiding caches, maintaining web pages dedicated to geocaching, putting on event caches and generally promoting the sport. I'd like to give a special thanks to Team AJ.JR for introducing me (and my team) to geocaching and accompanying me on our first hunt (Mission: Looney Toons) one year ago today. I'd also like to take a moment to curse all of you who have forced me to hike to the top of a hill unnecesarily, plunge through a thorn bush unceremoniously and wander in circles unknowingly. Thanks for nothin'! ;-) Vive' Le' Geocaching! -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 20 23:34:20 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 16:34:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] ok battery question Message-ID: <001701c37fcf$b7fbdbc0$7929b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C37F95.0A91FC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable is 13.95 a good price for 4 NiMh batteries??? ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C37F95.0A91FC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
is 13.95 a good price for 4 NiMh = batteries???=20
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C37F95.0A91FC60-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 20 23:56:29 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 16:56:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] ok battery question In-Reply-To: <001701c37fcf$b7fbdbc0$7929b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: Not too bad a price. It depends on the mAh rating. I've seen Sanyo 2100 mAh NiMH batteries for about $3.85 each at greenbatteries.com and I've seen some new 2200 mAh NiMH's for about $4 something each while I was looking at a Maha charger (I just did a google search on "NiMH battery charger" to find a good set of links, FYI). If you're buying them locally, $13.95 isn't a bad price. Jim. On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Regan L Smith wrote: > is 13.95 a good price for 4 NiMh batteries??? Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Sep 20 23:56:50 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:56:50 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] ok battery question Message-ID: <20030920235647.LJMY15909.fed1mtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1064102210864_(rawFLH?s. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Depends on the power. I've seen 4-packs of 1850s for $8 something at Fry's. Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Regan L Smith" > Date: 2003/09/20 Sat PM 07:34:20 EDT > To: > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] ok battery question > > is 13.95 a good price for 4 NiMh batteries??? > ------=____1064102210864_(rawFLH?s. Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
is 13.95 a good price for 4 NiMh batteries???
------=____1064102210864_(rawFLH?s.-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 21 00:03:20 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:03:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] ok battery question References: <20030920235647.LJMY15909.fed1mtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <001201c37fd3$c5859980$7929b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C37F99.18096AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will check on the rating first ----- Original Message -----=20 From: bcasteel@cox.net=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] ok battery question Depends on the power. I've seen 4-packs of 1850s for $8 something at = Fry's. Brian Team A.I. >=20 > From: "Regan L Smith" > Date: 2003/09/20 Sat PM 07:34:20 EDT > To: > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] ok battery question >=20 > is 13.95 a good price for 4 NiMh batteries??? >=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- is 13.95 a good price for 4 NiMh batteries??? ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C37F99.18096AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will check on the rating = first
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] ok = battery=20 question

Depends on the power.  I've seen 4-packs of 1850s = for $8=20 something at Fry's.

Brian
Team A.I.
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> is 13.95 = a good=20 price for 4 NiMh batteries???
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is 13.95 a good price for 4 NiMh = batteries???=20
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C37F99.18096AA0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 21 00:19:49 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:19:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] ok battery question In-Reply-To: <001201c37fd3$c5859980$7929b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Regan L Smith wrote: > I will check on the rating first The 2200 mAh NiMH batteries I was looking at were the MAHA Powerex batteries that I found at http://www.nimhbattery.com/ for $16.97 for a 4 pack. These seem to be about the highest capacity NiMH on the market today. They have 2000 mAh Powerex batteries for $13.97 for a 4 pack and 1800s for $9.97 a 4 pack. They have some other brands as well.... Jim. Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 21 00:14:11 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian LaFrance) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:14:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions In-Reply-To: <001201c37fd3$c5859980$7929b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C37F9A.9C4032D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a couple of questions about what people use to power their GPS. I currently only use alkaline batteries, but I am thinking switching to something else or adding a cigarette lighter adapter. Have any of you used the generic cigarette lighter adapter for the eTrex series GPS that is selling on eBay? Has anyone used one for a different GPS? If you have ever used one, did it work well, or did you have issues with it? How many people are using rechargeables? Do they work well? Anyone using them in an eTrex Vista? What kind of life do they have (per charge and how many charges before they are trash)? Thanks for your input. Brian ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C37F9A.9C4032D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have=20 a couple of questions about what people use to power their = GPS. =20 I currently only use alkaline batteries, but I am thinking = switching=20 to something else or adding a cigarette lighter = adapter.
 
Have=20 any of you used the generic cigarette lighter adapter for the eTrex = series GPS=20 that is selling on eBay?  Has anyone used one for a different = GPS?  If=20 you have ever used one, did it work well, or did you have issues with=20 it?
 
How=20 many people are using rechargeables?  Do they work well?  = Anyone using=20 them in an eTrex Vista?  What kind of life do they have (per charge = and how=20 many charges before they are trash)?
 
Thanks=20 for your input.
 
Brian
------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C37F9A.9C4032D0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 21 00:38:35 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:38:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions In-Reply-To: References: <001201c37fd3$c5859980$7929b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030920173539.013a7528@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_349141018==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:14 PM 9/20/2003 -0700, you wrote: >How many people are using rechargeables? Do they work well? Anyone using >them in an eTrex Vista? What kind of life do they have (per charge and >how many charges before they are trash)? > I have been using rechargeables in both of my Magellans since I got them. I use the Rayovac 1 hour charger, which I think is the best on the market. So far I find that I get about 80% of the life I would out of alkalines per charge. With the Rayovac charger is normally takes just under an hour to charge them again. As for how many charges, I don't know yet, I have yet to have any of mine go bad. I sort of wish they would though, all my batteries are 1700-1800s and I would like to buy some bigger ones, but until these fail I don't see any reason to do so. Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com --=====================_349141018==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 05:14 PM 9/20/2003 -0700, you wrote:

How many people are using rechargeables?  Do they work well?  Anyone using them in an eTrex Vista?  What kind of life do they have (per charge and how many charges before they are trash)?
 

I have been using rechargeables in both of my Magellans since I got them.  I use the Rayovac 1 hour charger, which I think is the best on the market.  So far I find that I get about 80% of the life I would out of alkalines per charge.  With the Rayovac charger is normally takes just under an hour to charge them again.  As for how many charges, I don't know yet, I have yet to have any of mine go bad.  I sort of wish they would though, all my batteries are 1700-1800s and I would like to buy some bigger ones, but until these fail I don't see any reason to do so.



Scott

scott@myblueheaven.com
--=====================_349141018==.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 21 01:50:46 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Henson) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:50:46 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Prescott Breakfast Cache Event In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.16.20030530171208.2a5f0c4a@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <04BAFF9C-EBD6-11D7-8464-000393A13A32@cableone.net> --Apple-Mail-4--97499318 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Prescott Breakfast Cache Event Many thanks to the 21 teams (39 people) that showed up for this cache event. It is always fun getting together with other Geocachers. TeamAzona won the drawing for the Ammo box that had lots of goodies in it, including a log book and pencil. Will be looking for a new cache in the Prescott area. Team DDJT was drawn for the gold nugget, that was donated by TeamAzona. Four teams got together after the breakfast and did three caches South of Prescott. They were: Big Chief Mine, Slate Creek - Ore Shoot, and Coke & Lime. These three took about six plus hours to do. No problems to report on this quest, unless you count the loosing of a GPS. Someone was very very lucky and managed to retrace their track (without a GPS) and find the missing little critter. Was a Great Day to be in the woods with good company. Hopefully, the other cachers that spread out from the event cache had a productive day too. Happy Hunting. ~ Lincoln --Apple-Mail-4--97499318 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII GenevaPrescott Breakfast Cache Event Many thanks to the 21 teams (39 people) that showed up for this cache event. It is always fun getting together with other Geocachers. TeamAzona won the drawing for the Ammo box that had lots of goodies in it, including a log book and pencil. Will be looking for a new cache in the Prescott area. Team DDJT was drawn for the gold nugget, that was donated by TeamAzona. Four teams got together after the breakfast and did three caches South of Prescott. They were: Big Chief Mine, Slate Creek - Ore Shoot, and Coke & Lime. These three took about six plus hours to do. No problems to report on this quest, unless you count the loosing of a GPS. Someone was very very lucky and managed to retrace their track (without a GPS) and find the missing little critter. Was a Great Day to be in the woods with good company. Hopefully, the other cachers that spread out from the event cache had a productive day too. Happy Hunting. ~ Lincoln --Apple-Mail-4--97499318-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 21 04:57:02 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:57:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions Message-ID: I have been using the generic cig lighter adpter for my Etrex Legend that I got on Ebay for about 1 1/2 years now and it is still working well. It is a bit cheaper made then the one you would get from Garmin... but you pay less and you usually get less! :) I payed around $9.95 for mine on Ebay while Garmin's sell for quite a bit more. The only issue I have with my generic one is that the square connector (at the GPS) is wearing out and doesnt fit as snug as it did new. But otherwise it still works great. If I ever bought another one though, I would buy a quality Garmin one. As far as recharg batteries go... I use the cheapie old fashion NiCad's from Rad Shack. Couldnt tell you any specs on them, but they were cheap and I bought them probably 2 years ago and I am still recharging the same ones and I use my GPS very often and for long periods of time. Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 21 13:01:34 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Patrick Brown) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 06:01:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Stats Message-ID: <3F6DA12E.000033.03052@EMachine> What has happened to the cache stats again a bunch went out of state again?? some thing needs to be fixed on that ?? Patrick Brown PANDA77 Check out http://www.geocaching.com/ http://www.azgeocaching.com/ http://users.w3az.net/panda77/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 21 19:36:19 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:36:19 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions References: Message-ID: <002401c38077$a29bf820$1c10b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3803C.F5182820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use a Cig adaptor to drive to the cache location then I disconnect and = go off battery power, I have been purchasing low price batteries like = the ones I purchased 16 for a $ at the Under a dollar store at AZ Mills = Mall though I found some NiMH that I think I might get after I check on the = rating for. I will add that yes a pair of the $ batteries last about 10 = to 15 caches each.... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian LaFrance=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 5:14 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions I have a couple of questions about what people use to power their GPS. = I currently only use alkaline batteries, but I am thinking switching to = something else or adding a cigarette lighter adapter. Have any of you used the generic cigarette lighter adapter for the = eTrex series GPS that is selling on eBay? Has anyone used one for a = different GPS? If you have ever used one, did it work well, or did you = have issues with it? How many people are using rechargeables? Do they work well? Anyone = using them in an eTrex Vista? What kind of life do they have (per = charge and how many charges before they are trash)? Thanks for your input. Brian ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3803C.F5182820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I use a Cig adaptor to drive to the = cache location=20 then I disconnect and go off battery power,  I have been purchasing = low=20 price batteries like the ones I purchased 16 for a $ at the Under a = dollar store=20 at AZ Mills Mall
though I found some NiMH that I think I = might get=20 after I check on the rating for. I will add that yes a pair of the $ = batteries=20 last about 10 to 15 caches each....
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian=20 LaFrance
Sent: Saturday, September 20, = 2003 5:14=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Power = Source=20 Questions

I=20 have a couple of questions about what people use to power = their=20 GPS.  I currently only use alkaline batteries, but I=20 am thinking switching to something else or adding a cigarette = lighter=20 adapter.
 
Have=20 any of you used the generic cigarette lighter adapter for the eTrex = series GPS=20 that is selling on eBay?  Has anyone used one for a different = GPS? =20 If you have ever used one, did it work well, or did you have issues = with=20 it?
 
How=20 many people are using rechargeables?  Do they work well?  = Anyone=20 using them in an eTrex Vista?  What kind of life do they have = (per charge=20 and how many charges before they are trash)?
 
Thanks for your input.
 
Brian
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3803C.F5182820-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 21 20:12:35 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] virtual TB Message-ID: <20030921201235.60409.qmail@web14803.mail.yahoo.com> --0-222886377-1064175155=:59454 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Another virtual TB. Have fun. http://www.geocaching.com/track/track_detail.asp?ID=22609 Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-222886377-1064175155=:59454 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-222886377-1064175155=:59454-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 21 20:38:10 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:38:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] virtual TB In-Reply-To: <20030921201235.60409.qmail@web14803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030921133730.013a41e8@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_421182308==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:12 PM 9/21/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Another virtual TB. Have fun. >http://www.geocaching.com/track/track_detail.asp?ID=22609 > I guess I am missing something here. What exactly is the point with this bug? Do you actually have to do something to get it, or can you just grab it whenever you feel like it? Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com --=====================_421182308==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 01:12 PM 9/21/2003 -0700, you wrote:
Another virtual TB. Have fun. http://www.geocaching.com/track/track_detail.asp?ID=22609


I guess I am missing something here.  What exactly is the point with this bug?  Do you actually have to do something to get it, or can you just grab it whenever you feel like it?



Scott

scott@myblueheaven.com
--=====================_421182308==.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 21 20:51:05 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:51:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] virtual TB References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030921133730.013a41e8@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <005b01c38082$14888160$1c10b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C38047.67370C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nope not missing a thing also look up Virtual Victor, ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Wood=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] virtual TB At 01:12 PM 9/21/2003 -0700, you wrote: Another virtual TB. Have fun. = http://www.geocaching.com/track/track_detail.asp?ID=3D22609 I guess I am missing something here. What exactly is the point with = this bug? Do you actually have to do something to get it, or can you = just grab it whenever you feel like it? Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C38047.67370C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
nope not missing a thing also = look  up Virtual=20 Victor,
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Scott=20 Wood
Sent: Sunday, September 21, = 2003 1:38=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = virtual=20 TB

At 01:12 PM 9/21/2003 -0700, you wrote:
Another virtual TB. = Have fun. http= ://www.geocaching.com/track/track_detail.asp?ID=3D22609


I=20 guess I am missing something here.  What exactly is the point = with this=20 bug?  Do you actually have to do something to get it, or can you = just=20 grab it whenever you feel like it?



Scott

------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C38047.67370C00-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 21 22:13:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 18:13:22 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] virtual TB Message-ID: <20030921221321.RUSF14291.fed1mtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1064182402126_Zee0KShP)k Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whatever happened to Virtual Victor anyway. Last time I checked, I was unable to log a 'theft' of him. Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Regan L Smith" > Date: 2003/09/21 Sun PM 04:51:05 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] virtual TB > > nope not missing a thing also look up Virtual Victor, > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Wood > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] virtual TB > > > At 01:12 PM 9/21/2003 -0700, you wrote: > > Another virtual TB. Have fun. http://www.geocaching.com/track/track_detail.asp?ID=22609 > > > > I guess I am missing something here. What exactly is the point with this bug? Do you actually have to do something to get it, or can you just grab it whenever you feel like it? > > > > > Scott > > > scott@myblueheaven.com > www.myblueheaven.com > ------=____1064182402126_Zee0KShP)k Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
nope not missing a thing also look  up Virtual Victor,
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Wood
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] virtual TB

At 01:12 PM 9/21/2003 -0700, you wrote:
Another virtual TB. Have fun. http://www.geocaching.com/track/track_detail.asp?ID=22609


I guess I am missing something here.  What exactly is the point with this bug?  Do you actually have to do something to get it, or can you just grab it whenever you feel like it?



Scott

------=____1064182402126_Zee0KShP)k-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 21 22:31:27 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] virtual TB In-Reply-To: <20030921221321.RUSF14291.fed1mtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20030921223127.71446.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1695907960-1064183487=:70875 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Apparently once it hit a million miles, something "snapped" at gc.com. Either their computer refused to allow it to log miles (and wiped out everyone else's logs) or TPTB refused to allow anyone to log any more logs on it. My log entry is gone, but I still have the credit for finding it. bcasteel@cox.net wrote:Whatever happened to Virtual Victor anyway. Last time I checked, I was unable to log a 'theft' of him. Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Regan L Smith" > Date: 2003/09/21 Sun PM 04:51:05 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] virtual TB > > nope not missing a thing also look up Virtual Victor, > > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1695907960-1064183487=:70875 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Apparently once it hit a million miles, something "snapped" at gc.com. Either their computer refused to allow it to log miles (and wiped out everyone else's logs) or TPTB refused to allow anyone to log any more logs on it. My log entry is gone, but I still have the credit for finding it.

bcasteel@cox.net wrote:
Whatever happened to Virtual Victor anyway. Last time I checked, I was unable to log a 'theft' of him.

Brian
Team A.I.

>
> From: "Regan L Smith"
> Date: 2003/09/21 Sun PM 04:51:05 EDT
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] virtual TB
>
> nope not missing a thing also look up Virtual Victor,
>
>

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1695907960-1064183487=:70875-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 22 03:41:25 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:41:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Prescott Breakfast Cache Event Message-ID: <20030921204126.29953.h006.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> The Prescott Breakfast event cache was a great success and so much fun with so many Phoenix/out-of-area cachers attending in addition to the "locals". Thanks to those who made the journey, it was good to meet many new folks and see a few people we hadn't seen in awhile. We hope to have another event cache up in the Prescott area next spring...it's probably my turn to organize something, huh Lincoln? :-) .... when it starts to get HOT down in the flats and y'all can come up to the cool mountains. "We" (who?) might even put out a few new caches beforehand to give some of the folks who come up here from time to time some new ones to find. I can see from the watch-list logs that a number of people did go caching in the area and had a good time. We (hubby, 12 yr old daughter and I) went to the county fair, and then did ONE cache (Yeager Canyon), so at least we did ONE! take care everybody, Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:50:46 -0700, Ken Henson wrote: > > Prescott Breakfast Cache Event > > Many thanks to the 21 teams (39 people) that showed up for this cache > event. > > It is always fun getting together with other Geocachers. TeamAzona > won > the drawing for the Ammo box that had lots of goodies in it, including > a log book and pencil. Will be looking for a new cache in the > Prescott > area. Team DDJT was drawn for the gold nugget, that was donated by > TeamAzona. > > Four teams got together after the breakfast and did three caches South > of Prescott. They were: Big Chief Mine, Slate Creek - Ore Shoot, and > Coke & Lime. These three took about six plus hours to do. > > No problems to report on this quest, unless you count the loosing of a > GPS. Someone was very very lucky and managed to retrace their track > (without a GPS) and find the missing little critter. > > Was a Great Day to be in the woods with good company. > > Hopefully, the other cachers that spread out from the event cache had > a > productive day too. Happy Hunting. ~ Lincoln From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 22 17:15:10 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:15:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Brian, Definitely you should switch to NiMH batteries and get a 12V car adaptor for your GPS. I have a 12V adaptor and it immediately decreased my battery usage by a huge factor since I'd say more than 50% of my GPS time is spent driving around. But then, I also use rechargable NiMH batteries, so that's not quite as important (but it does add to the convenience of not having to swap out batteries so often). My GPS is a Garmin Legend. The only issue with the 12V adaptor is that it doesn't take much to loosen the contact, and the GPS will automatically shut down in 30sec if you don't notice it and press a button or reconnect the adaptor. For the same reason, sometimes you don't realize you're actually running only on batteries when you first start the car.... That's as much a fault of the GPS as of the adaptor though... The NiMH batteries work almost as well as alkaline batteries. I have no hesitance in using a rapid charger (I use a 1 hour Rayovac charger, but my transformer for that charger just busted and I'm thinking about getting a Maha C-401FS charger) as long as you get one of the smart chargers (with a built in microprocessor that watches the individual batteries and switches to trickle charging appropriately). The NiMH are rated for 1000 charges, with a very slow decay in charge capacity. Check out http://www.thomas-distributing.com/nimhbattery-faq.htm for an excellent FAQ on NiMH batteries. Greenbatteries.com (http://www.greenbatteries.com/) also have an excellent set of FAQs on batteries. I'd also look at getting the higher capacity batteries. Mail order them if you can, since you can get a better price and selection than I've found at the local Walget (or is that Tar-Mart?) and you can usually get a deal on getting both a good charger and a set of batteries at the same time. I've also just discovered plastic battery holders which help prevent accidental shorting of batteries and makes carrying extra batteries in your pocket more convenient. Both the companies in the URLs I mentioned above sell them or even give them away with battery orders. Jim. On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Brian LaFrance wrote: > I have a couple of questions about what people use to power their GPS. I > currently only use alkaline batteries, but I am thinking switching to > something else or adding a cigarette lighter adapter. > > Have any of you used the generic cigarette lighter adapter for the eTrex > series GPS that is selling on eBay? Has anyone used one for a different > GPS? If you have ever used one, did it work well, or did you have issues > with it? > > How many people are using rechargeables? Do they work well? Anyone using > them in an eTrex Vista? What kind of life do they have (per charge and how > many charges before they are trash)? > > Thanks for your input. > > Brian > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 23 00:32:48 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:32:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sprocket's 12 Step Program Message-ID: <3F6F94B0.7010704@mchsi.com> For anyone that's been waiting for this cache (GCD812) to come back on-line, we replaced the missing clues and put it back up a few days ago. -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 23 01:10:08 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:10:08 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sprocket's 12 Step Program Message-ID: <5C7A05C6.7573C338.0013DAD2@aol.com> Do I need a sponsor to get this one? :) In a message dated 9/22/2003 8:32:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scottsparks1@mchsi.com writes: > > For anyone that's been waiting for this cache (GCD812) to come back > on-line, we replaced the missing clues and put it back up a few days ago. > > -- Sprocket > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocach > ing > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 23 04:07:13 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian LaFrance) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:07:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ...now that I think about it, those batteries the guys at NASA were messing with may have been nicads...still funny...and probably just as dangerous. -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jim Scotti Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:15 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions Hi Brian, Definitely you should switch to NiMH batteries and get a 12V car adaptor for your GPS. I have a 12V adaptor and it immediately decreased my battery usage by a huge factor since I'd say more than 50% of my GPS time is spent driving around. But then, I also use rechargable NiMH batteries, so that's not quite as important (but it does add to the convenience of not having to swap out batteries so often). My GPS is a Garmin Legend. The only issue with the 12V adaptor is that it doesn't take much to loosen the contact, and the GPS will automatically shut down in 30sec if you don't notice it and press a button or reconnect the adaptor. For the same reason, sometimes you don't realize you're actually running only on batteries when you first start the car.... That's as much a fault of the GPS as of the adaptor though... The NiMH batteries work almost as well as alkaline batteries. I have no hesitance in using a rapid charger (I use a 1 hour Rayovac charger, but my transformer for that charger just busted and I'm thinking about getting a Maha C-401FS charger) as long as you get one of the smart chargers (with a built in microprocessor that watches the individual batteries and switches to trickle charging appropriately). The NiMH are rated for 1000 charges, with a very slow decay in charge capacity. Check out http://www.thomas-distributing.com/nimhbattery-faq.htm for an excellent FAQ on NiMH batteries. Greenbatteries.com (http://www.greenbatteries.com/) also have an excellent set of FAQs on batteries. I'd also look at getting the higher capacity batteries. Mail order them if you can, since you can get a better price and selection than I've found at the local Walget (or is that Tar-Mart?) and you can usually get a deal on getting both a good charger and a set of batteries at the same time. I've also just discovered plastic battery holders which help prevent accidental shorting of batteries and makes carrying extra batteries in your pocket more convenient. Both the companies in the URLs I mentioned above sell them or even give them away with battery orders. Jim. On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Brian LaFrance wrote: > I have a couple of questions about what people use to power their GPS. I > currently only use alkaline batteries, but I am thinking switching to > something else or adding a cigarette lighter adapter. > > Have any of you used the generic cigarette lighter adapter for the eTrex > series GPS that is selling on eBay? Has anyone used one for a different > GPS? If you have ever used one, did it work well, or did you have issues > with it? > > How many people are using rechargeables? Do they work well? Anyone using > them in an eTrex Vista? What kind of life do they have (per charge and how > many charges before they are trash)? > > Thanks for your input. > > Brian > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 23 04:10:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian LaFrance) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:10:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: oops...meant only to send that to Jim. Disregard...the last one from me. -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian LaFrance Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:07 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions ...now that I think about it, those batteries the guys at NASA were messing with may have been nicads...still funny...and probably just as dangerous. -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jim Scotti Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:15 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions Hi Brian, Definitely you should switch to NiMH batteries and get a 12V car adaptor for your GPS. I have a 12V adaptor and it immediately decreased my battery usage by a huge factor since I'd say more than 50% of my GPS time is spent driving around. But then, I also use rechargable NiMH batteries, so that's not quite as important (but it does add to the convenience of not having to swap out batteries so often). My GPS is a Garmin Legend. The only issue with the 12V adaptor is that it doesn't take much to loosen the contact, and the GPS will automatically shut down in 30sec if you don't notice it and press a button or reconnect the adaptor. For the same reason, sometimes you don't realize you're actually running only on batteries when you first start the car.... That's as much a fault of the GPS as of the adaptor though... The NiMH batteries work almost as well as alkaline batteries. I have no hesitance in using a rapid charger (I use a 1 hour Rayovac charger, but my transformer for that charger just busted and I'm thinking about getting a Maha C-401FS charger) as long as you get one of the smart chargers (with a built in microprocessor that watches the individual batteries and switches to trickle charging appropriately). The NiMH are rated for 1000 charges, with a very slow decay in charge capacity. Check out http://www.thomas-distributing.com/nimhbattery-faq.htm for an excellent FAQ on NiMH batteries. Greenbatteries.com (http://www.greenbatteries.com/) also have an excellent set of FAQs on batteries. I'd also look at getting the higher capacity batteries. Mail order them if you can, since you can get a better price and selection than I've found at the local Walget (or is that Tar-Mart?) and you can usually get a deal on getting both a good charger and a set of batteries at the same time. I've also just discovered plastic battery holders which help prevent accidental shorting of batteries and makes carrying extra batteries in your pocket more convenient. Both the companies in the URLs I mentioned above sell them or even give them away with battery orders. Jim. On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Brian LaFrance wrote: > I have a couple of questions about what people use to power their GPS. I > currently only use alkaline batteries, but I am thinking switching to > something else or adding a cigarette lighter adapter. > > Have any of you used the generic cigarette lighter adapter for the eTrex > series GPS that is selling on eBay? Has anyone used one for a different > GPS? If you have ever used one, did it work well, or did you have issues > with it? > > How many people are using rechargeables? Do they work well? Anyone using > them in an eTrex Vista? What kind of life do they have (per charge and how > many charges before they are trash)? > > Thanks for your input. > > Brian > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 23 09:38:03 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 05:38:03 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com Message-ID: <361F4E9D.27EF63FA.00820E17@aol.com> Anyone seen this new website? www.opencaching.com It's brand new and not functional, however there are some interesting ideas being thrown around in the forums on the site. Of course, I am in no way approving, disapproving, or otherwise recommending it, merely pointing out it's existence. :) Dave Team DaSH From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 23 17:25:59 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:25:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com Message-ID: >From: TeamDaSH@aol.com >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com >Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 05:38:03 -0400 > >Anyone seen this new website? > >www.opencaching.com I personally have no desire to go anywhere else but geocaching.com. I have never really been a fan of all these new types of caches... locationless, webcams, multi's, etc and it would be cool to see a site dedicated to only pure geocaching (coordinates take you to the cache container). However, on the other hand, I also think I would loose alot of interest in the game if there were multiple websites that had to be perused to find all the caches. It seems right now that all geocaches are pretty much on geocaching.com and only a VERY small percentage of those are being posted in duplicate on the other 'wanna be' sites. Geocaching.com is where it all began and in the end, where it will all remain. It is a waste of my time to even bother to search the other sites. I have only looked at Navicache once or twice and only because the site was brought up in a discussion here or somewhere else and I clicked on a link to it. I was never impressed with the site and the lack of caches available on there and those that are where also available on Geocaching.com. So, why look at both sites? Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 23 18:06:41 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:06:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It seems one of their aims is to provide open access to the cache data. So wouldn't supporting opencaching.com possibly pave the way for either opencaching.com or geocaching.com to improve things in this respect? If you enjoy the azgeocaching.com stats, maybe you should seriously consider this. Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of RopingThe Wind Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:26 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com >From: TeamDaSH@aol.com >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com >Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 05:38:03 -0400 > >Anyone seen this new website? > >www.opencaching.com I personally have no desire to go anywhere else but geocaching.com. I have never really been a fan of all these new types of caches... locationless, webcams, multi's, etc and it would be cool to see a site dedicated to only pure geocaching (coordinates take you to the cache container). However, on the other hand, I also think I would loose alot of interest in the game if there were multiple websites that had to be perused to find all the caches. It seems right now that all geocaches are pretty much on geocaching.com and only a VERY small percentage of those are being posted in duplicate on the other 'wanna be' sites. Geocaching.com is where it all began and in the end, where it will all remain. It is a waste of my time to even bother to search the other sites. I have only looked at Navicache once or twice and only because the site was brought up in a discussion here or somewhere else and I clicked on a link to it. I was never impressed with the site and the lack of caches available on there and those that are where also available on Geocaching.com. So, why look at both sites? Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 23 18:09:20 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:09:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Also the guy running opencaching.com has shown an interest in integrating my Handicap Accessibility Guideline Generator into the site. Something that geocaching.com appears to have no interest in doing, despite my offer to Jeremy of the PHP code for free... Ooop, sorry. There I go - grinding my axe again. ;) Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of RopingThe Wind Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:26 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com >From: TeamDaSH@aol.com >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com >Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 05:38:03 -0400 > >Anyone seen this new website? > >www.opencaching.com I personally have no desire to go anywhere else but geocaching.com. I have never really been a fan of all these new types of caches... locationless, webcams, multi's, etc and it would be cool to see a site dedicated to only pure geocaching (coordinates take you to the cache container). However, on the other hand, I also think I would loose alot of interest in the game if there were multiple websites that had to be perused to find all the caches. It seems right now that all geocaches are pretty much on geocaching.com and only a VERY small percentage of those are being posted in duplicate on the other 'wanna be' sites. Geocaching.com is where it all began and in the end, where it will all remain. It is a waste of my time to even bother to search the other sites. I have only looked at Navicache once or twice and only because the site was brought up in a discussion here or somewhere else and I clicked on a link to it. I was never impressed with the site and the lack of caches available on there and those that are where also available on Geocaching.com. So, why look at both sites? Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 24 01:19:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:19:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Land Management Roundtable Message-ID: <000001c38239$e5071820$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C381FF.38A84020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a reminder that a week from tonight (September 30) is the Geocaching Roundtable with representatives of several land management agencies in Arizona. For complete details, see: http://www.azgeocaching.com/story.html?story=37. We still have room for additional representation. If you would like to attend, or if you have any questions, please email me. Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C381FF.38A84020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just a reminder that a week from tonight (September = 30) is the Geocaching Roundtable with representatives of several land = management agencies in Arizona. For complete details, = see: http://www.azg= eocaching.com/story.html?story=3D37.

We still have room for additional representation. If = you would like to attend, or if you have any questions, please email = me.

Steve

Team Tierra Buena

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C381FF.38A84020-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 24 02:20:29 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:20:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F70FF6D.7060400@Snaptek.com> Andrew Ayre wrote: > Also the guy running opencaching.com has shown an interest in integrating my > Handicap Accessibility Guideline Generator into the site. Something that > geocaching.com appears to have no interest in doing, despite my offer to > Jeremy of the PHP code for free... Jeremy might have had a problem with your HGG, for the same reason that I did. It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too fine grained. Not only would it take a significant amount of time to fill it out, but it would squeeze all the fun out of hiding a cache for cacher. You would literally need a clipboard and a large list of things to continually scan for while hiding the cache to make sure that not a single thing got missed. Now don't get me wrong, I think it's a wonderful thing to try and include as many people as possible, but it seems like the amount of deatil would squeeze the fun out of geocaching for the people that it is intended for... you need to leave a little something suprise in the end. I think you would be better off with just boiling the whole thing down to just a few questions like the ratings rather than breaking down every little detail, something like: handicap friendly Parking or Starting Point coords:___ Parking or Starting Point diffuculty: (0-9) Cache Vicinity terrain: (0-9) bending required (yes no) bathrooms nearby (yes no) cache may be difficult to open (yes no) The cache location and style section in particular is so detailed as to make it no fun at all. I'm suprised there isn't a close up picture of the cache and cache hiding location from a distance in that section. You can't cater to everyone, so just make it general and make a definition of what the different ratings appoximatly mean and leave it up to the people to decide if they want to go to the cache or not. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek P.S. You did leave out a place to list all plants in the area. We wouldn't want to leave out people with severe allergies. :) There is also no mention of the amount of thorns and other stickers that might get into a seeing eye dog's feet :) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 24 03:31:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:31:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com In-Reply-To: <3F70FF6D.7060400@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: Well, thats the problem. It's far from perfect I know, but I haven't see anyone come up with a really practical alternative. If I see one then I will happily ditch my effort and support the better system. I hoped that someone like Jeremy (who obviously has a lot of good ideas) would take the code and work it into something even better. For example, maybe it would be best if the cache location and style were just removed altogether? I don't know. If you reduce the items in the list down like you have, what do you take out and what do you leave in? For example, I see that in your list you have omitted the single most important thing for my wife - accurate distance to the cache from the nearest parking. Different things are important to different people. Also, since writing it, I've been asked by people to add a surface type of X, a route obsticle Y, which I have done, but it shows that I thought it was complete enough when something else doesn't think so. A simple list would produce a lot more requests I'm sure, and it would end up as a less well structured big list. So, to counter the complaint that it spoils the fun (which I agree with to a degree), I provided the option to encode the text. Now the problem becomes, how do you decode all that text - what a chore. If you provide an automated decoding method then you may as well not bother encoding the text in the first place. Note that you can always generate the text and then chop out parts you don't want. An example off the top of my head where I don't think it will spoil the fun is in puzzle caches. There you can work out the final location of the cache and even if you have a description of the route, there is a lot of fun in seeing for yourself if you correctly worked out the right pile of rocks it is under, even if the text said "under a pile of rocks". My view is that providing something, anything, is better than nothing, and that is what I set out to do. I also hoped that by creating something, anything, it would start a really useful, constructive discussion on the subject with the aim of creating something better, but unfortunately that didn't happen and I doubt that it really will. Maybe if more geocachers are exposed to my current system, there will be more discussion on how to make a better system? Remember that a lot of geocachers don't read the forums or this list, so their only exposure might come because someone generated the guidelines and put them on their cache page. Regarding your PS, I think that a lot of the discussion on the gc.com forum with regard to rules turns into a "lawyerish" (is that a word?) discussion on the fine detail, which becomes the focus of the debate. The same thing can happen with a tool for handicap accessibility. I think that you have to be pragmatic and draw the line somewhere. I don't think 100% inclusion is ever going to be possible, but isn't 80% inclusion better than say 70%? However, an over-simplifed system might not provide any benefit and most geocachers might not see the point using it. Maybe I should just go ahead and create a second, simpler system like you suggested, advertise it and see if the support is greater than the first system... It would be great if the members of this list would give me some guidance on this issue - I have the ability to write the code. If you prefer to contact me privately, my address is andy @ britishideas dot com. Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian Cluff Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 7:20 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com Andrew Ayre wrote: > Also the guy running opencaching.com has shown an interest in integrating my > Handicap Accessibility Guideline Generator into the site. Something that > geocaching.com appears to have no interest in doing, despite my offer to > Jeremy of the PHP code for free... Jeremy might have had a problem with your HGG, for the same reason that I did. It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too fine grained. Not only would it take a significant amount of time to fill it out, but it would squeeze all the fun out of hiding a cache for cacher. You would literally need a clipboard and a large list of things to continually scan for while hiding the cache to make sure that not a single thing got missed. Now don't get me wrong, I think it's a wonderful thing to try and include as many people as possible, but it seems like the amount of deatil would squeeze the fun out of geocaching for the people that it is intended for... you need to leave a little something suprise in the end. I think you would be better off with just boiling the whole thing down to just a few questions like the ratings rather than breaking down every little detail, something like: handicap friendly Parking or Starting Point coords:___ Parking or Starting Point diffuculty: (0-9) Cache Vicinity terrain: (0-9) bending required (yes no) bathrooms nearby (yes no) cache may be difficult to open (yes no) The cache location and style section in particular is so detailed as to make it no fun at all. I'm suprised there isn't a close up picture of the cache and cache hiding location from a distance in that section. You can't cater to everyone, so just make it general and make a definition of what the different ratings appoximatly mean and leave it up to the people to decide if they want to go to the cache or not. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek P.S. You did leave out a place to list all plants in the area. We wouldn't want to leave out people with severe allergies. :) There is also no mention of the amount of thorns and other stickers that might get into a seeing eye dog's feet :) ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 24 06:36:45 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:36:45 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F713B7D.80207@Snaptek.com> Andrew Ayre wrote: > If you reduce the items in the list down like you have, what do you take out > and what do you leave in? For example, I see that in your list you have > omitted the single most important thing for my wife - accurate distance to > the cache from the nearest parking. Different things are important to > different people. I just put a few things down off the top of my head. I would think it would be far from complete, and perhaps the questions were a bit over simplified, but it sounds like the point arrived intact :) I guess in a nut shell. The system that I think would be practicle would be one that is fuzzy enough that someone could not even know about any handicapped guidelines while hiding the cache and be able to answer the questions without having to remember a lot of specific details. I know that I never really pay attention to if there is a ledge or not, (and how many inches constitutes a ledge anyway...) but I can remember to the best of my knowledge if the trail was mostly level and didn't have anything that would be too difficult for someone in a wheelchair or crutches. Anyway, when you first brought up guidelines for handicaped people, I had planned to add it to azgeocaching along with another similar idea I had about doing a slightly more fine grained terrain/difficulty measurement. The idea is that everyone could log in and rate a particular cache themselves. Then it would show you an avarage of how hard people found the cache. I would just add a few more items so that people could rate how handicap accessable the cache was. Then you could pay attention to the average or if you trust a certain cachers experience you could look directly at what they though of a particular cache and not have to worry about the accuracy of the cache hiders opinion of accessability. That would also help to get a lot more handicap ratings on a lot more caches, much more quickly than relying on the hiders to add them to their caches. ...problem is that my job situation changed drasticly not to long after I envisioned it, so I only have parts of the code done and still have a lot more work to go. I hope to some day get enough free time again to start work on all that. It will really added a lot of interesting data and customizable features to the azgeocaching.com site... oh well, someday. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 17 02:20:35 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (William Noll) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:20:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. References: <179.1fac9e30.2c9905f3@aol.com> Message-ID: <009c01c37cc2$5009e030$ec562aa2@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01C37C87.9ACC3810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Take a drive up New Fain Rd (just recently opened, 65 mph bypass of = Prescott Valley to 89A) pull over on a high spot near Coyote wash, and = watch the Antelope at play.. Bill ----- Original Message -----=20 From: TeamDaSH@aol.com=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 5:33 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Prescott Breakfast Event cache this Sat. A question for the Prescott locals... Shawna and I have decided to spend the weekend there. Can you give me = a few non-geocaching ideas of things to do or see, favorite restaurants, = or anything along those lines? She will shoot me if I make her cache = the whole time! Thanks in advance! Dave Team DaSH ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01C37C87.9ACC3810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Take a drive up New Fain Rd (just recently opened, = 65 mph=20 bypass of Prescott Valley to 89A) pull over on a high spot near Coyote = wash, and=20 watch the Antelope at play..
 
Bill
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 TeamDaSH@aol.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, = 2003 5:33=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: = Prescott=20 Breakfast Event cache this Sat.

A question for the Prescott locals...
 
Shawna and I have decided to spend the weekend = there. =20 Can you give me a few non-geocaching ideas of things to do or see, = favorite=20 restaurants, or anything along those lines?  She will shoot me if = I make=20 her cache the whole time!
 
Thanks in advance!
Dave
Team DaSH
------=_NextPart_000_0099_01C37C87.9ACC3810-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 21 14:20:10 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (William Noll) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 07:20:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions References: Message-ID: <003801c3804b$7802d560$e9572aa2@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C38010.CACC8920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Last year, prior to going on a trip, I bought the ~$35 Garmin DC = adapter. I discovered it was broke within the package when I got it out = of the store. I got one off eBay soon after, for about $10. No problems = since. Go with the cheaper, one; they are all made in Taiwan, anyways. Have any of you used the generic cigarette lighter adapter for the eTrex = series GPS that is selling on eBay? Has anyone used one for a different = GPS? If you have ever used one, did it work well, or did you have = issues with it? ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C38010.CACC8920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Last=20 year, prior to going on a trip, I bought the ~$35 Garmin DC adapter. I=20 discovered it was broke within the package when I got it out of the = store. I got=20 one off eBay soon after, for about $10. No problems since. Go with the = cheaper,=20 one; they are all made in Taiwan, anyways.
 
 
Have=20 any of you used the generic cigarette lighter adapter for the eTrex = series GPS=20 that is selling on eBay?  Has anyone used one for a different = GPS?  If=20 you have ever used one, did it work well, or did you have issues with=20 it?
------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C38010.CACC8920-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 24 18:02:44 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:02:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C382C6.0E290290 Content-Type: text/plain I purchased a PC adaptor from 'gpsgeek' on eBay. It has worked flawlessly for over a year and I'm quite impressed with the construction. I would have no problems buying other adaptors from them. And as always, I have no vested interested in gpsgeek and this is my experience. Your mileage may vary. LazyK - Dan -----Original Message----- From: William Noll [mailto:wnoll@cybertrails.com] Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 7:20 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions Last year, prior to going on a trip, I bought the ~$35 Garmin DC adapter. I discovered it was broke within the package when I got it out of the store. I got one off eBay soon after, for about $10. No problems since. Go with the cheaper, one; they are all made in Taiwan, anyways. Have any of you used the generic cigarette lighter adapter for the eTrex series GPS that is selling on eBay? Has anyone used one for a different GPS? If you have ever used one, did it work well, or did you have issues with it? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C382C6.0E290290 Content-Type: text/html Message
I purchased a PC adaptor from 'gpsgeek' on eBay.  It has worked flawlessly for over a year and I'm quite impressed with the construction.  I would have no problems buying other adaptors from them.
 
And as always, I have no vested interested in gpsgeek and this is my experience.  Your mileage may vary.
 
LazyK - Dan


 

-----Original Message-----
From: William Noll [mailto:wnoll@cybertrails.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 7:20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions

Last year, prior to going on a trip, I bought the ~$35 Garmin DC adapter. I discovered it was broke within the package when I got it out of the store. I got one off eBay soon after, for about $10. No problems since. Go with the cheaper, one; they are all made in Taiwan, anyways.
 
 
Have any of you used the generic cigarette lighter adapter for the eTrex series GPS that is selling on eBay?  Has anyone used one for a different GPS?  If you have ever used one, did it work well, or did you have issues with it?
------_=_NextPart_001_01C382C6.0E290290-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 24 18:07:23 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:07:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions References: Message-ID: <008901c382c6$b4560e60$179c6844@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0086_01C3828C.07E1D9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageI also purchased one or two cables from gpsgeek, and have been = very happy with them. If need be, I'd purchase from them again without = hesitation. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Koch, Dan=20 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:02 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions I purchased a PC adaptor from 'gpsgeek' on eBay. It has worked = flawlessly for over a year and I'm quite impressed with the = construction. I would have no problems buying other adaptors from them. And as always, I have no vested interested in gpsgeek and this is my = experience. Your mileage may vary. LazyK - Dan =20 -----Original Message----- From: William Noll [mailto:wnoll@cybertrails.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 7:20 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions Last year, prior to going on a trip, I bought the ~$35 Garmin DC = adapter. I discovered it was broke within the package when I got it out = of the store. I got one off eBay soon after, for about $10. No problems = since. Go with the cheaper, one; they are all made in Taiwan, anyways. Have any of you used the generic cigarette lighter adapter for the = eTrex series GPS that is selling on eBay? Has anyone used one for a = different GPS? If you have ever used one, did it work well, or did you = have issues with it? ------=_NextPart_000_0086_01C3828C.07E1D9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I also purchased one or two cables from = gpsgeek,=20 and have been very happy with them.  If need be, I'd purchase from = them=20 again without hesitation.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Koch,=20 Dan
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, = 2003 11:02=20 AM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Power Source=20 Questions

I=20 purchased a PC adaptor from 'gpsgeek' on eBay.  It has = worked=20 flawlessly for over a year and I'm quite impressed with the=20 construction.  I would have no problems buying other adaptors = from=20 them.
 
And=20 as always, I have no vested interested in gpsgeek and this is my=20 experience.  Your mileage may vary.
 
LazyK - Dan


 

-----Original Message-----
From: = William Noll=20 [mailto:wnoll@cybertrails.com]
Sent: Sunday, September = 21, 2003=20 7:20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Power Source Questions

Last year, prior to going on a trip, I bought the ~$35 = Garmin DC=20 adapter. I discovered it was broke within the package when I got it = out of=20 the store. I got one off eBay soon after, for about $10. No problems = since.=20 Go with the cheaper, one; they are all made in Taiwan,=20 anyways.
 
 
Have any of you used the generic cigarette lighter adapter = for the=20 eTrex series GPS that is selling on eBay?  Has anyone used one = for a=20 different GPS?  If you have ever used one, did it work well, or = did you=20 have issues with = it?
------=_NextPart_000_0086_01C3828C.07E1D9A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Sep 24 18:26:41 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:26:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A Cache that Almost Was... Message-ID: <000201c382c9$67011f30$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3828E.BAA24730 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01C3828E.BAA24730" ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C3828E.BAA24730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We were attempting to get a cache placed at the site shown in the = attached photo, but someone must have pointed out the error to the City of = Scottsdale and they replaced the sign before we were able to get approval. This was = on Bell Road, just east of the entrance to the Tournament Players Club.=20 Since there's no more reason to put a cache there, we thought you'd = enjoy the photo. And the file name of the photo is what we were going to name = the cache. Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C3828E.BAA24730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We were attempting to get a cache placed at the site = shown in the attached photo, but someone must have pointed out the error to = the City of Scottsdale and they replaced the sign = before we were able to get approval. This was on Bell = Road, just east of the entrance to the Tournament Players Club.

Since there’s no more reason to put a cache = there, we thought you’d enjoy the photo. And the file name of the photo is = what we were going to name the cache.

Steve

Team Tierra Buena

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2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:35:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A Cache that Almost Was... References: <000201c382c9$67011f30$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <00a301c382d3$0e666dd0$179c6844@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C38298.61ED5710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hahaha....That was great. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Team Tierra Buena=20 To: Arizona Geocaching=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:26 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A Cache that Almost Was... We were attempting to get a cache placed at the site shown in the = attached photo, but someone must have pointed out the error to the City = of Scottsdale and they replaced the sign before we were able to get = approval. This was on Bell Road, just east of the entrance to the = Tournament Players Club.=20 Since there's no more reason to put a cache there, we thought you'd = enjoy the photo. And the file name of the photo is what we were going to = name the cache. 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Hahaha....That was great.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Team Tierra Buena =
To: Arizona = Geocaching=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, = 2003 11:26=20 AM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A = Cache that=20 Almost Was...

We were attempting to = get a cache=20 placed at the site shown in the attached photo, but someone must have = pointed=20 out the error to the City of Scottsdale and they=20 replaced the sign before we were able to get approval. This was on=20 Bell = Road, just=20 east of the entrance to the Tournament Players Club. =

Since there=92s no more = reason to=20 put a cache there, we thought you=92d enjoy the photo. And the file = name of the=20 photo is what we were going to name the cache.

Steve

Team Tierra=20 Buena

------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C38298.61ED5710-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 02:01:19 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030925020119.38748.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> Competition is a good thing! --- Andrew Ayre wrote: > It seems one of their aims is to provide open access > to the cache data. So > wouldn't supporting opencaching.com possibly pave > the way for either > opencaching.com or geocaching.com to improve things > in this respect? If you > enjoy the azgeocaching.com stats, maybe you should > seriously consider this. > > Andy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On > Behalf Of > RopingThe Wind > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:26 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com > > > > >From: TeamDaSH@aol.com > >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com > >Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 05:38:03 -0400 > > > >Anyone seen this new website? > > > >www.opencaching.com > > > I personally have no desire to go anywhere else but > geocaching.com. I have > never really been a fan of all these new types of > caches... locationless, > webcams, multi's, etc and it would be cool to see a > site dedicated to only > pure geocaching (coordinates take you to the cache > container). However, on > the other hand, I also think I would loose alot of > interest in the game if > there were multiple websites that had to be perused > to find all the caches. > It seems right now that all geocaches are pretty > much on geocaching.com and > only a VERY small percentage of those are being > posted in duplicate on the > other 'wanna be' sites. Geocaching.com is where it > all began and in the end, > where it will all remain. It is a waste of my time > to even bother to search > the other sites. I have only looked at Navicache > once or twice and only > because the site was brought up in a discussion here > or somewhere else and I > clicked on a link to it. I was never impressed with > the site and the lack of > caches available on there and those that are where > also available on > Geocaching.com. So, why look at both sites? > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > _________________________________________________________________ > Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. > Download it now FREE! > http://msnmessenger-download.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 03:54:32 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:54:32 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com In-Reply-To: <3F713B7D.80207@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: So Brian, If I implemented a simpler system like you suggested, where all choices are optional, would you use it yourself? What could I do to implement a system on my own web space, that could also be (nearly) seemlessly integrated into azgeocaching.com and remove the development burden from you? Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian Cluff Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:37 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com Andrew Ayre wrote: > If you reduce the items in the list down like you have, what do you take out > and what do you leave in? For example, I see that in your list you have > omitted the single most important thing for my wife - accurate distance to > the cache from the nearest parking. Different things are important to > different people. I just put a few things down off the top of my head. I would think it would be far from complete, and perhaps the questions were a bit over simplified, but it sounds like the point arrived intact :) I guess in a nut shell. The system that I think would be practicle would be one that is fuzzy enough that someone could not even know about any handicapped guidelines while hiding the cache and be able to answer the questions without having to remember a lot of specific details. I know that I never really pay attention to if there is a ledge or not, (and how many inches constitutes a ledge anyway...) but I can remember to the best of my knowledge if the trail was mostly level and didn't have anything that would be too difficult for someone in a wheelchair or crutches. Anyway, when you first brought up guidelines for handicaped people, I had planned to add it to azgeocaching along with another similar idea I had about doing a slightly more fine grained terrain/difficulty measurement. The idea is that everyone could log in and rate a particular cache themselves. Then it would show you an avarage of how hard people found the cache. I would just add a few more items so that people could rate how handicap accessable the cache was. Then you could pay attention to the average or if you trust a certain cachers experience you could look directly at what they though of a particular cache and not have to worry about the accuracy of the cache hiders opinion of accessability. That would also help to get a lot more handicap ratings on a lot more caches, much more quickly than relying on the hiders to add them to their caches. ...problem is that my job situation changed drasticly not to long after I envisioned it, so I only have parts of the code done and still have a lot more work to go. I hope to some day get enough free time again to start work on all that. It will really added a lot of interesting data and customizable features to the azgeocaching.com site... oh well, someday. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 07:14:30 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:14:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] opencaching.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F7295D6.8050006@Snaptek.com> Andrew Ayre wrote: > If I implemented a simpler system like you suggested, where all choices are > optional, would you use it yourself? > > What could I do to implement a system on my own web space, that could also > be (nearly) seemlessly integrated into azgeocaching.com and remove the > development burden from you? That's not the part that is a burden, in fact it's mostly finished. There are a zillion things I want to get done before I call it ready, and most of them hinge on having logins that directly mirror the logins on geocaching.com. I already have a way to authenticate someone's identity without having to know their password to geocaching.com password. It's mostly a big puzzle of code that I need to put together, and then fill in the holes. It's just a matter of time. I really don't know of any way that you could host a portion on your site, at least not with it being like I want it. It will all be a VERY tight mess when I get it done.... and will be using a TON of code from gnoshing.com... which is also a mess of code right now :) Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 17:05:34 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:05:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? Message-ID: <021e01c38387$3bf2b010$179c6844@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_021B_01C3834C.8F7C0A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, now I'm really curious. It almost appears that with each passing = day, more and more caches are moving from in-state to OOS finds. Did = someone give part of us back to Mexico, or is something borked in the = data retrieval? Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_021B_01C3834C.8F7C0A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, now I'm really curious.  It = almost appears=20 that with each passing day, more and more caches are moving from = in-state to OOS=20 finds.  Did someone give part of us back to Mexico, or is something = borked=20 in the data retrieval?
 
Brian
Team A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_021B_01C3834C.8F7C0A50-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 17:31:14 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Virgil Silhanek) Date: 25 Sep 2003 10:31:14 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tickets for last D-Backs game In-Reply-To: <000201c382c9$67011f30$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <000201c382c9$67011f30$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <1064511073.23480.87.camel@ip68-3-80-44.ph.ph.cox.net> Again, I have a three extra D-Backs tickets for this Sunday's game against the St. Louis Cardinals. The game is Sept. 28 at 1:30pm. They were free tickets and are ,of course, in the $6 section. I'll be placing the 3 tickets in my Over 51 cache (GCBBBB) this morning approx. 11am. Virgil Silhanek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 17:38:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry H) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? In-Reply-To: <021e01c38387$3bf2b010$179c6844@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <20030925173816.78529.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> I'm from NEW Mexico. There's a difference! --- Brian Casteel wrote: > Ok, now I'm really curious. It almost appears that > with each passing day, more and more caches are > moving from in-state to OOS finds. Did someone give > part of us back to Mexico, or is something borked in > the data retrieval? > > Brian > Team A.I. ===== FriarED _______________________________________ Isn't having a smoking section in a restaurant like having a peeing section in a swimming pool? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 18:08:27 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:08:27 -0700 Subject: [[Az-Geocaching] Stats?] Message-ID: <447HiysiA7296S16.1064513307@uwdvg016.cms.usa.net> According to the fine print in NAFTA, the Mexico border moves north one foot per day. "Brian Casteel" wrote: > Ok, now I'm really curious. It almost appears that with each passing day, more and more caches are moving from in-state to OOS finds. Did someone give part of us back to Mexico, or is something borked in the data retrieval? > > Brian > Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 19:37:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (HighwayHavoc) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? In-Reply-To: <447HiysiA7296S16.1064513307@uwdvg016.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: <20030925193736.60067.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Not trying to be a smart a**, but do you happen to have a reference for this? Mark A. Pederson --- Mark Heitowit wrote: > According to the fine print in NAFTA, the Mexico border moves north > one foot > per day. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 19:45:45 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:45:45 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? In-Reply-To: <20030925193736.60067.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It was a joke. The border is pretty much fixed, especially with all the fences, walls, crossing points and associated facilities. Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of HighwayHavoc Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:38 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? Not trying to be a smart a**, but do you happen to have a reference for this? Mark A. Pederson --- Mark Heitowit wrote: > According to the fine print in NAFTA, the Mexico border moves north > one foot > per day. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 19:40:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian LaFrance) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:40:24 -0700 Subject: [[Az-Geocaching] Stats?] In-Reply-To: <447HiysiA7296S16.1064513307@uwdvg016.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: So in a little over 900 years, Tucson will start to become part of Mexico? -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Mark Heitowit Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 11:08 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Stats?] According to the fine print in NAFTA, the Mexico border moves north one foot per day. "Brian Casteel" wrote: > Ok, now I'm really curious. It almost appears that with each passing day, more and more caches are moving from in-state to OOS finds. Did someone give part of us back to Mexico, or is something borked in the data retrieval? > > Brian > Team A.I. ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 20:05:06 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:05:06 -0700 Subject: [[Az-Geocaching] Stats?] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c383a0$50af7d30$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> > So in a little over 900 years, Tucson will start to become part of Mexico? I think it's already happened. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 20:08:11 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (HighwayHavoc) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030925200811.18912.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> I pretty much figured it was a joke, but I thought I would ask anyway. Legend has it (I haven't seen proof of this), that there was a dispute concerning the border between Maine and Canada in the way back when. One evening some U.S. fellas gave some Canadians a gift of booze and later that night moved the stakes delineating the border north 500 yards, thus gaining additional territory for the Mainians. Like I said, this could be an urban legend, but I like the story. Mark A. Pederson --- Andrew Ayre wrote: > It was a joke. The border is pretty much fixed, especially with all > the > fences, walls, crossing points and associated facilities. > > Andy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > HighwayHavoc > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:38 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? > > > Not trying to be a smart a**, but do you happen to have a reference > for this? > > Mark A. Pederson > > --- Mark Heitowit wrote: > > According to the fine print in NAFTA, the Mexico border moves > north > > one foot > > per day. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 20:13:44 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:13:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? References: Message-ID: <026d01c383a1$8522a780$179c6844@fbidaemon> There's fences/walls along the border? I always wondered how it was so hard for the UDAs to make it across to the US of A. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Ayre" To: Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:45 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? > It was a joke. The border is pretty much fixed, especially with all the > fences, walls, crossing points and associated facilities. > > Andy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > HighwayHavoc > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:38 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? > > > Not trying to be a smart a**, but do you happen to have a reference > for this? > > Mark A. Pederson > > --- Mark Heitowit wrote: > > According to the fine print in NAFTA, the Mexico border moves north > > one foot > > per day. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 21:18:26 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:18:26 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? References: <021e01c38387$3bf2b010$179c6844@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <005401c383aa$8f6bee00$0500a8c0@one> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C38389.07E4CFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It must be the caches on Indian land since they are not actually in AZ = but in a separate nation. Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian Casteel=20 To: AZ Geocaching=20 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:05 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? Ok, now I'm really curious. It almost appears that with each passing = day, more and more caches are moving from in-state to OOS finds. Did = someone give part of us back to Mexico, or is something borked in the = data retrieval? Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C38389.07E4CFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It must be the caches on Indian land = since they are=20 not actually in AZ but in a separate nation.
 
Team Sand Dollar
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian = Casteel=20
To: AZ = Geocaching
Sent: Thursday, September 25, = 2003 1:05=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = Stats?

Ok, now I'm really curious.  It = almost=20 appears that with each passing day, more and more caches are moving = from=20 in-state to OOS finds.  Did someone give part of us back to = Mexico, or is=20 something borked in the data retrieval?
 
Brian
Team = A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C38389.07E4CFE0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 22:50:50 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? In-Reply-To: <021e01c38387$3bf2b010$179c6844@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <20030925225050.17576.qmail@web14803.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1831159875-1064530250=:16968 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think mine are moving at a larger rate than some of the rest of you since we have dropped about half a dozen places in the rankings. None of our caches are south of Tucson, nor are any on Indian land so that kinda blows those "theories" out of the water. Brian Casteel wrote:Ok, now I'm really curious. It almost appears that with each passing day, more and more caches are moving from in-state to OOS finds. Did someone give part of us back to Mexico, or is something borked in the data retrieval? Brian Team A.I. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1831159875-1064530250=:16968 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I think mine are moving at a larger rate than some of the rest of you since we have dropped about half a dozen places in the rankings. None of our caches are south of Tucson, nor are any on Indian land so that kinda blows those "theories" out of the water.

Brian Casteel <bcasteel@cox.net> wrote:
Ok, now I'm really curious.  It almost appears that with each passing day, more and more caches are moving from in-state to OOS finds.  Did someone give part of us back to Mexico, or is something borked in the data retrieval?
 
Brian
Team A.I.

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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1831159875-1064530250=:16968-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 23:05:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:05:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? References: <20030925225050.17576.qmail@web14803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003901c383b9$817dce80$8928b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C3837E.CF19D340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable umm I maybe wrong but does Mike have Indian blood??? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gale Draper=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? I think mine are moving at a larger rate than some of the rest of you = since we have dropped about half a dozen places in the rankings. None of = our caches are south of Tucson, nor are any on Indian land so that kinda = blows those "theories" out of the water. Brian Casteel wrote:=20 Ok, now I'm really curious. It almost appears that with each = passing day, more and more caches are moving from in-state to OOS finds. = Did someone give part of us back to Mexico, or is something borked in = the data retrieval? Brian Team A.I. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C3837E.CF19D340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
umm I maybe wrong but does Mike have = Indian=20 blood???
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gale Draper
Sent: Thursday, September 25, = 2003 3:50=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Stats?

I think mine are moving at a larger rate than some of the rest of = you=20 since we have dropped about half a dozen places in the rankings. None = of our=20 caches are south of Tucson, nor are any on Indian land so that kinda = blows=20 those "theories" out of the water.

Brian Casteel <bcasteel@cox.net> = wrote:=20
Ok, now I'm really curious.  = It almost=20 appears that with each passing day, more and more caches are moving = from=20 in-state to OOS finds.  Did someone give part of us back to = Mexico, or=20 is something borked in the data retrieval?
 
Brian
Team = A.I.

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------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C3837E.CF19D340-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 23:14:26 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:14:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] multi micro Message-ID: <009501c383ba$ccc4a160$8928b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C38380.175C8DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What makes a good/nice multi cache? Team Evil Fish has in mind a cache = of this nature and just want to make it fun... ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C38380.175C8DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What makes a good/nice multi cache? = Team Evil Fish=20 has in mind a cache of this nature and just want to make it=20 fun...
------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C38380.175C8DE0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 23:31:09 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Henson) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:31:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] multi micro In-Reply-To: <009501c383ba$ccc4a160$8928b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <57A556E4-EFB0-11D7-9057-000393A13A32@cableone.net> --Apple-Mail-2-326123565 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Thursday, September 25, 2003, at 04:14 PM, Regan L Smith wrote: > What makes a good/nice multi cache? Team Evil Fish has in mind a cache > of this nature and just want to make it fun... For teams into the numbers game you need to make each part so that it can be logged, therefore maximum logs for time served in the field. To spend half a day, or more, to put together all the parts of a multi, is fun for some, but not others. I asked a similar question before I put together the One of Seven to Seven of Seven caches in the Prescott area. My multi became six caches with clues in them to find the seventh. Just my .02. - Ken --Apple-Mail-2-326123565 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Thursday, September 25, 2003, at 04:14 PM, Regan L Smith wrote: ArialWhat makes a good/nice multi cache? Team Evil Fish has in mind a cache of this nature and just want to make it fun... For teams into the numbers game you need to make each part so that it can be logged, therefore maximum logs for time served in the field. To spend half a day, or more, to put together all the parts of a multi, is fun for some, but not others. I asked a similar question before I put together the One of Seven to Seven of Seven caches in the Prescott area. My multi became six caches with clues in them to find the seventh. Just my .02. - Ken --Apple-Mail-2-326123565-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 23:42:47 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? In-Reply-To: <003901c383b9$817dce80$8928b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <20030925234247.25304.qmail@web14803.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1232448393-1064533367=:24241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes, 100% Navajo. Regan L Smith wrote:umm I maybe wrong but does Mike have Indian blood??? ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Draper To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? I think mine are moving at a larger rate than some of the rest of you since we have dropped about half a dozen places in the rankings. None of our caches are south of Tucson, nor are any on Indian land so that kinda blows those "theories" out of the water. Brian Casteel wrote: Ok, now I'm really curious. It almost appears that with each passing day, more and more caches are moving from in-state to OOS finds. Did someone give part of us back to Mexico, or is something borked in the data retrieval? Brian Team A.I. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1232448393-1064533367=:24241 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Yes, 100% Navajo.

Regan L Smith <buggers@mindspring.com> wrote:
umm I maybe wrong but does Mike have Indian blood???
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Stats?

I think mine are moving at a larger rate than some of the rest of you since we have dropped about half a dozen places in the rankings. None of our caches are south of Tucson, nor are any on Indian land so that kinda blows those "theories" out of the water.

Brian Casteel <bcasteel@cox.net> wrote:
Ok, now I'm really curious.  It almost appears that with each passing day, more and more caches are moving from in-state to OOS finds.  Did someone give part of us back to Mexico, or is something borked in the data retrieval?
 
Brian
Team A.I.

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Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1232448393-1064533367=:24241-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Sep 25 23:57:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:57:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? References: <20030925234247.25304.qmail@web14803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ac01c383c0$e0e0e360$8928b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C38386.2BEE4E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable see your problem isn't the reservations :)... it must lay elsewhere.... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gale Draper=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? Yes, 100% Navajo. Regan L Smith wrote:=20 umm I maybe wrong but does Mike have Indian blood??? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gale Draper=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? I think mine are moving at a larger rate than some of the rest of = you since we have dropped about half a dozen places in the rankings. = None of our caches are south of Tucson, nor are any on Indian land so = that kinda blows those "theories" out of the water. Brian Casteel wrote:=20 Ok, now I'm really curious. It almost appears that with each = passing day, more and more caches are moving from in-state to OOS finds. = Did someone give part of us back to Mexico, or is something borked in = the data retrieval? Brian Team A.I. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C38386.2BEE4E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
see your problem isn't the reservations = :)... it=20 must lay elsewhere....
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gale Draper
Sent: Thursday, September 25, = 2003 4:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Stats?

Yes, 100% Navajo.

Regan L Smith <buggers@mindspring.com>= =20 wrote:=20
umm I maybe wrong but does Mike = have Indian=20 blood???
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Gale Draper
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, September = 25, 2003=20 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Stats?

I think mine are moving at a larger rate than some of the = rest of you=20 since we have dropped about half a dozen places in the rankings. = None of=20 our caches are south of Tucson, nor are any on Indian land so that = kinda=20 blows those "theories" out of the water.

Brian = Casteel <bcasteel@cox.net> = wrote:=20
Ok, now I'm really = curious.  It almost=20 appears that with each passing day, more and more caches are = moving from=20 in-state to OOS finds.  Did someone give part of us back to = Mexico,=20 or is something borked in the data retrieval?
 
Brian
Team = A.I.

Do you Yahoo!?
The=20 New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product=20 search

Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang = interminable=20 changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- = so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the = Ranges=20 --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for = you.=20 Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The = Explorer =20 1898

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The=20 New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product=20 search ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C38386.2BEE4E00-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 26 00:01:31 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] multi micro In-Reply-To: <009501c383ba$ccc4a160$8928b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <20030926000131.78652.qmail@web14802.mail.yahoo.com> --0-239011485-1064534491=:78571 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There's a fairly new one I got a kick out of because of the way it incorporated a plaque and had you work to get the final coordinates. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=92578 Only a couple of steps, a nice location makes a good multi for me. Regan L Smith wrote: What makes a good/nice multi cache? Team Evil Fish has in mind a cache of this nature and just want to make it fun... Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-239011485-1064534491=:78571 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
There's a fairly new one I got a kick out of because of the way it incorporated a plaque and had you work to get the final coordinates. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=92578
 
Only a couple of steps, a nice location makes a good multi for me.

Regan L Smith <buggers@mindspring.com> wrote:
What makes a good/nice multi cache? Team Evil Fish has in mind a cache of this nature and just want to make it fun...


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-239011485-1064534491=:78571-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 26 01:25:47 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? In-Reply-To: <00ac01c383c0$e0e0e360$8928b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <20030926012547.51141.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com> --0-221511477-1064539547=:50802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Our team name is too long perhaps? There isn't any pattern to it that we can tell. Some of them are archived, some aren't. Some are new, some aren't. Some are recent finds, some aren't. We figured it is just a personal thing between gc.com and us. (Just kidding) I'm having some difficulty getting a response to an e-mail as well. Regan L Smith wrote: see your problem isn't the reservations :)... it must lay elsewhere.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Draper Yes, 100% Navajo. Regan L Smith wrote: umm I maybe wrong but does Mike have Indian blood??? ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Draper I think mine are moving at a larger rate than some of the rest of you since we have dropped about half a dozen places in the rankings. None of our caches are south of Tucson, nor are any on Indian land so that kinda blows those "theories" out of the water. Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-221511477-1064539547=:50802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Our team name is too long perhaps?
 
There isn't any pattern to it that we can tell. Some of them are archived, some aren't. Some are new, some aren't. Some are recent finds, some aren't.
 
We figured it is just a personal thing between gc.com and us. (Just kidding) I'm having some difficulty getting a response to an e-mail as well.

Regan L Smith <buggers@mindspring.com> wrote:
see your problem isn't the reservations :)... it must lay elsewhere....
----- Original Message -----

Yes, 100% Navajo.

Regan L Smith <buggers@mindspring.com> wrote:
umm I maybe wrong but does Mike have Indian blood???
----- Original Message -----

I think mine are moving at a larger rate than some of the rest of you since we have dropped about half a dozen places in the rankings. None of our caches are south of Tucson, nor are any on Indian land so that kinda blows those "theories" out of the water.


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-221511477-1064539547=:50802-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 26 03:10:04 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Webb Pickersgill) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:10:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tickets for last D-Backs game In-Reply-To: <1064511073.23480.87.camel@ip68-3-80-44.ph.ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <00b501c383db$af83c1f0$6501010a@pickersgill.local> Virgil, I appreciate the heads up on these tickets! I was planning on going to that game anyway (and getting the $1 seats) with my wife, sister, and 6-month old girl. This was perfect timing. I picked up the tickets today after work. I left a NYC baseball player TB in the cache. Thanks again! Webb TheWebbman -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Virgil Silhanek Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 10:31 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tickets for last D-Backs game Again, I have a three extra D-Backs tickets for this Sunday's game against the St. Louis Cardinals. The game is Sept. 28 at 1:30pm. They were free tickets and are ,of course, in the $6 section. I'll be placing the 3 tickets in my Over 51 cache (GCBBBB) this morning approx. 11am. Virgil Silhanek ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 26 03:40:12 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GREGG OBUCH) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] multi micro In-Reply-To: <57A556E4-EFB0-11D7-9057-000393A13A32@cableone.net> Message-ID: <20030926034012.85034.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> --0-382087088-1064547612=:83051 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We did a similar sort of thing with our Arizona Tidbit series of caches. The first five all ask a trivia question, give a portion of the coordinates for a check your answers cache. The check answers cache and final cache are regular size caches, and all seven have logbooks. Gregg of MO & GO Ken Henson wrote: On Thursday, September 25, 2003, at 04:14 PM, Regan L Smith wrote: > What makes a good/nice multi cache? Team Evil Fish has in mind a cache > of this nature and just want to make it fun... For teams into the numbers game you need to make each part so that it can be logged, therefore maximum logs for time served in the field. To spend half a day, or more, to put together all the parts of a multi, is fun for some, but not others. I asked a similar question before I put together the One of Seven to Seven of Seven caches in the Prescott area. My multi became six caches with clues in them to find the seventh. Just my .02. - Ken --0-382087088-1064547612=:83051 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
We did a similar sort of thing with our Arizona Tidbit series of caches.  The first five all ask a trivia question, give a portion of the coordinates for a check your answers cache.  The check answers cache and final cache are regular size caches, and all seven have logbooks.
 
Gregg of MO & GO

Ken Henson <khenson@cableone.net> wrote:

On Thursday, September 25, 2003, at 04:14 PM, Regan L Smith wrote:

> What makes a good/nice multi cache? Team Evil Fish has in mind a cache
> of this nature and just want to make it fun...

For teams into the numbers game you need to make each part so that it
can be logged, therefore maximum logs for time served in the field.

To spend half a day, or more, to put together all the parts of a multi,
is fun for some, but not others.

I asked a similar question before I put together the One of Seven to
Seven of Seven caches in the Prescott area.

My multi became six caches with clues in them to find the seventh.

Just my .02. - Ken


--0-382087088-1064547612=:83051-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 26 03:44:11 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GREGG OBUCH) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats? In-Reply-To: <021e01c38387$3bf2b010$179c6844@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <20030926034411.22225.qmail@web80212.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1682124015-1064547851=:21360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We have also noticed the daily shift from in-state to OOS finds over the past five or six days. The really funny thing is that we have actually moved up in the rankings and today find ourselves on the first page. Gregg of MO & GO Brian Casteel wrote: Ok, now I'm really curious. It almost appears that with each passing day, more and more caches are moving from in-state to OOS finds. Did someone give part of us back to Mexico, or is something borked in the data retrieval? Brian Team A.I. --0-1682124015-1064547851=:21360 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
We have also noticed the daily shift from in-state to OOS finds over the past five or six days.  The really funny thing is that we have actually moved up in the rankings and today find ourselves on the first page.
 
Gregg of MO & GO

Brian Casteel <bcasteel@cox.net> wrote:
Ok, now I'm really curious.  It almost appears that with each passing day, more and more caches are moving from in-state to OOS finds.  Did someone give part of us back to Mexico, or is something borked in the data retrieval?
 
Brian
Team A.I.
--0-1682124015-1064547851=:21360-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 26 14:33:53 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:33:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats Message-ID: <3F744E51.8060408@snaptek.com> Ill take a look (hopefully this weekend at the stats) and see whats going on... probably a change in the page layout from geocaching.com cuasing the problem. jason From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 26 22:59:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:59:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats References: <3F744E51.8060408@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <003a01c38481$e0fe0fa0$4211b83f@fishkiller> Thank you again just how many thank you's are needed to go from a g to a G?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Poulter" To: Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:33 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats > Ill take a look (hopefully this weekend at the stats) and see whats > going on... > > probably a change in the page layout from geocaching.com cuasing the > problem. > > jason > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Sep 26 23:14:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian LaFrance) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:14:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats In-Reply-To: <003a01c38481$e0fe0fa0$4211b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: I think beer may be accepted by TPTB as being more valuable than thank you's. Maybe you've been getting it all wrong. Send them a six pack of Sam Adams or something and see what happens. -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Regan L Smith Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 4:00 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Stats Thank you again just how many thank you's are needed to go from a g to a G?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Poulter" To: Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:33 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats > Ill take a look (hopefully this weekend at the stats) and see whats > going on... > > probably a change in the page layout from geocaching.com cuasing the > problem. > > jason > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 28 00:24:45 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:24:45 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sure is quite today Message-ID: <000f01c38556$f2d605e0$7c61b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3851C.3EF92640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team Evil Fish ps beware of Scorpions and other nasties... ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3851C.3EF92640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3851C.3EF92640-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 28 01:21:57 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:21:57 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sure is quite today Message-ID: <20030928012154.QUYK14291.fed1mtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1064712117096_cED2A21(Pm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quite what? :) Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Regan L Smith" > Date: 2003/09/27 Sat PM 08:24:45 EDT > To: > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sure is quite today > > > > > > > > > > Team Evil Fish > > > ps > beware of Scorpions and other nasties... > ------=____1064712117096_cED2A21(Pm Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Team Evil Fish
 
 
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------=____1064712117096_cED2A21(Pm-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 28 01:38:31 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:38:31 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sure is quite today References: <20030928012154.QUYK14291.fed1mtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <002301c38561$42a5f440$7c61b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C38526.8D1C4F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable quiet ----- Original Message -----=20 From: bcasteel@cox.net=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Sure is quite today Quite what? :) Brian Team A.I. >=20 > From: "Regan L Smith" > Date: 2003/09/27 Sat PM 08:24:45 EDT > To: > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sure is quite today >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Team Evil Fish >=20 >=20 > ps > beware of Scorpions and other nasties... >=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Team Evil Fish ps beware of Scorpions and other nasties... ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C38526.8D1C4F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Quite what?  :)

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------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C38526.8D1C4F00-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 28 02:02:20 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Randy Kinkel) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:02:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sure is quite today References: <20030928012154.QUYK14291.fed1mtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> <002301c38561$42a5f440$7c61b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <000e01c38564$8d5b4aa0$6401a8c0@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C38529.E0B94F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TOO quiet, if ya ask me... I don't like it. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan L Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Sure is quite today quiet ----- Original Message -----=20 From: bcasteel@cox.net=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Sure is quite today Quite what? :) Brian Team A.I. >=20 > From: "Regan L Smith" > Date: 2003/09/27 Sat PM 08:24:45 EDT > To: > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sure is quite today >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Team Evil Fish >=20 >=20 > ps > beware of Scorpions and other nasties... >=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Team Evil Fish ps beware of Scorpions and other nasties... ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C38529.E0B94F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C38529.E0B94F20-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 28 03:11:06 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] off topic, but may be useful to children Message-ID: <20030928031106.55993.qmail@web14812.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1336083876-1064718666=:54698 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Since some of you thought things were too quiet, I thought I'd share some important info for those who went into mourning after Desert Breeze Park lost their railroad.. Mike and I had a picnic at Freestone Park in Gilbert. Apparently their train rides will begin October 4th. It looks like their carousel is open now. Maybe we'll put out a cache to encourage those of you who have children to take them caching. Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1336083876-1064718666=:54698 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Since some of you thought things were too quiet, I thought I'd share some important info for those who went into mourning after Desert Breeze Park lost their railroad..
 
Mike and I had a picnic at Freestone Park in Gilbert. Apparently their train rides will begin October 4th. It looks like their carousel is open now.
 
Maybe we'll put out a cache to encourage those of you who have children to take them caching.


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1336083876-1064718666=:54698-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 28 04:53:09 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 0:53:09 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sure is quite today Message-ID: <20030928045309.TANB15909.fed1mtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1064724789284_cxr.p6lv+I Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land? Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Regan L Smith" > Date: 2003/09/27 Sat PM 09:38:31 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Sure is quite today > > quiet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bcasteel@cox.net > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Sure is quite today > > > Quite what? :) > > Brian > Team A.I. > > > > From: "Regan L Smith" > > Date: 2003/09/27 Sat PM 08:24:45 EDT > > To: > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sure is quite today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Team Evil Fish > > > > > > ps > > beware of Scorpions and other nasties... > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > Team Evil Fish > > > ps > beware of Scorpions and other nasties... > ------=____1064724789284_cxr.p6lv+I Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
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Quite what?  :)

Brian
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------=____1064724789284_cxr.p6lv+I-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 28 17:14:57 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Richard E Holmes) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:14:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats References: Message-ID: <000a01c385e4$0acdc100$553a0244@ph.cox.net> FYI; Creepin' Jeepers has no out-of-state finds; all of our caches are AZ-ones. And OBTW, thanks for the great service you have provided all of us over the years at Snaptek. Years? Seems like just yesterday. Dick 'n Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian LaFrance" To: Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 4:14 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Stats > I think beer may be accepted by TPTB as being more valuable than thank > you's. Maybe you've been getting it all wrong. Send them a six pack of Sam > Adams or something and see what happens. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Regan > L Smith > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 4:00 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Stats > > > Thank you again > > > just how many thank you's are needed to go from a g to a G?? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Poulter" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:33 AM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats > > > > Ill take a look (hopefully this weekend at the stats) and see whats > > going on... > > > > probably a change in the page layout from geocaching.com cuasing the > > problem. > > > > jason > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 28 20:50:40 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] obsessive admins? Message-ID: <20030928205040.54905.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1726650370-1064782240=:54884 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I noticed this note from CO admin on the new breakfast event cache in December by Evil Fish "If you wouldnt mind, I would suggest that you mention that the purpose of this gathering is, in part, to discuss caching." I realize the admins are cracking down, but does this seem a bit too anal to anyone else? I mean, is it necessary to post on the cache page that we will be discussing geocaching? That seems a bit too obvious. I don't think I've ever been to an event cache where the majority of the talk was something other than geocaching. Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1726650370-1064782240=:54884 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I noticed this note from CO admin on the new breakfast event cache in December by Evil Fish
 
"If you wouldnt mind, I would suggest that you mention that the purpose of this gathering is, in part, to discuss caching."
 
I realize the admins are cracking down, but does this seem a bit too anal to anyone else? I mean, is it necessary to post on the cache page that we will be discussing geocaching? That seems a bit too obvious. I don't think I've ever been to an event cache where the majority of the talk was something other than geocaching.


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1726650370-1064782240=:54884-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 28 21:31:13 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:31:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] obsessive admins? In-Reply-To: <20030928205040.54905.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030928142954.023410a8@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 01:50 PM 9/28/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I realize the admins are cracking down, but does this seem a bit too anal >to anyone else? I mean, is it necessary to post on the cache page that we >will be discussing geocaching? That seems a bit too obvious. I don't think >I've ever been to an event cache where the majority of the talk was >something other than geocaching. It seems to be a trend. We had 3 or 4 new caches planned, but after our last experience getting one approved, I have decided that I will probably not hide any more. I shouldn't have to justify my cache to anyone, if it is good the people that find it will like it, if it is not good, they will let me know in their logs. Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 28 23:20:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:20:24 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] obsessive admins? Message-ID: <20030928232022.CJLI4816.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1064791224151_3smqxiAHGU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think so at all. If you read the notes he leaves on his other AZ approved caches, this approver seems to be pretty cool. Brian Team A.I. > > From: Gale Draper > Date: 2003/09/28 Sun PM 04:50:40 EDT > To: list2 > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] obsessive admins? > > I noticed this note from CO admin on the new breakfast event cache in December by Evil Fish > > "If you wouldnt mind, I would suggest that you mention that the purpose of this gathering is, in part, to discuss caching." > > I realize the admins are cracking down, but does this seem a bit too anal to anyone else? I mean, is it necessary to post on the cache page that we will be discussing geocaching? That seems a bit too obvious. I don't think I've ever been to an event cache where the majority of the talk was something other than geocaching. > > > Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking > > Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes > On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: > "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- > "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" > > > > Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > ------=____1064791224151_3smqxiAHGU Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
I noticed this note from CO admin on the new breakfast event cache in December by Evil Fish
 
"If you wouldnt mind, I would suggest that you mention that the purpose of this gathering is, in part, to discuss caching."
 
I realize the admins are cracking down, but does this seem a bit too anal to anyone else? I mean, is it necessary to post on the cache page that we will be discussing geocaching? That seems a bit too obvious. I don't think I've ever been to an event cache where the majority of the talk was something other than geocaching.


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------=____1064791224151_3smqxiAHGU-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 29 09:00:10 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 5:00:10 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] obsessive admins? Message-ID: <20030929090012.YQRZ7393.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> I saw the note and wondered if a caching event had to necessarily directly involve caching? (aside from using a GPS to find the location.) I am thinking that maybe I should just post the coords to my next cache here in the list serve... or a link to a webpage of my own for a cache. I'm pretty sure if I ever plan to do any virtual caches that I'll create my own page to list them. For all the people that enjoy virtuals along with the standard hidden caches, you would think that the seperate system would have been setup by now if TPTB ever intended to create a seperate page for virtual caches. I guess that's enough tangents from the original post. Sorry if it seemed to stray too much, they all kinda roll together in my mind. Jake - Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 29 15:33:55 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:33:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] obsessive admins? In-Reply-To: <20030929090012.YQRZ7393.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: I think the hint we are supposed to get, is that TPTB don't like virtuals and don't really want them on their web site anymore in any form (seperate section, etc.). Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of insomniak@cox.net Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 2:00 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] obsessive admins? I saw the note and wondered if a caching event had to necessarily directly involve caching? (aside from using a GPS to find the location.) I am thinking that maybe I should just post the coords to my next cache here in the list serve... or a link to a webpage of my own for a cache. I'm pretty sure if I ever plan to do any virtual caches that I'll create my own page to list them. For all the people that enjoy virtuals along with the standard hidden caches, you would think that the seperate system would have been setup by now if TPTB ever intended to create a seperate page for virtual caches. I guess that's enough tangents from the original post. Sorry if it seemed to stray too much, they all kinda roll together in my mind. Jake - Team A.I. ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 29 15:41:12 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:41:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] obsessive admins? In-Reply-To: <20030929090012.YQRZ7393.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20030929090012.YQRZ7393.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <3F785298.8070700@Snaptek.com> insomniak@cox.net wrote: > I saw the note and wondered if a caching event had to necessarily directly involve caching? (aside from using a GPS to find the location.) I don't think that the event has to revolve around caching, but we know they do draw the line at having the event be a bunch of people to help you move, like in Trisha's case a couple years ago. She was going to have a bunch of goecachers show up and help her move. They all volunteered to do it before the event cache was put in, but it was never approved. I personally think it should have been. With the only addition of it having the moving part, everything else about the move would have resembled a normal event... oh well... Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 29 17:09:37 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:09:37 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] obsessive admins? References: <20030929090012.YQRZ7393.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> <3F785298.8070700@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <004c01c386ac$76839e60$179c6844@fbidaemon> Prisoner exchanges take place frequently at event caches, so why couldn't one be setup to help someone move? The only stipulation I'd have is that one piece of furniture has a mystery envelope on it with a gift certificate for Cold Stone or something in it. :) Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] obsessive admins? > insomniak@cox.net wrote: > > I saw the note and wondered if a caching event had to necessarily directly involve caching? (aside from using a GPS to find the location.) > > I don't think that the event has to revolve around caching, but we know > they do draw the line at having the event be a bunch of people to help > you move, like in Trisha's case a couple years ago. She was going to > have a bunch of goecachers show up and help her move. They all > volunteered to do it before the event cache was put in, but it was never > approved. I personally think it should have been. With the only > addition of it having the moving part, everything else about the move > would have resembled a normal event... oh well... > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 29 20:24:39 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Do administrators fear that geocachers are becoming too much like normal people? In-Reply-To: <200309291905.MAA13273@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: <20030929202439.21651.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1611338874-1064867079=:19846 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I noticed this note from CO admin on the new breakfast event cache in December by Evil Fish: "If you wouldn't mind, I would suggest that you mention that the purpose of this gathering is, in part, to discuss caching." You mean there are other things to talk about besides geocaching? I guess the administrators must fear that we geocachers are becoming too much like normal people. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-1611338874-1064867079=:19846 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I noticed this note from CO admin on the new breakfast event cache in December by Evil Fish:
 
"If you wouldn't mind, I would suggest that you mention that the purpose of this gathering is, in part, to discuss caching."
 
You mean there are other things to talk about besides geocaching?
 
I guess the administrators must fear that we geocachers are becoming too much like normal people.
 
Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)
--0-1611338874-1064867079=:19846-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 29 20:39:10 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:39:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Do administrators fear that geocachers are becoming too much like normal people? In-Reply-To: <20030929202439.21651.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030929202439.21651.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F78986E.4000300@snaptek.com> Ken Akerman wrote: > I guess the administrators must fear that we geocachers are becoming too > much like normal people. Do they think we are doing drug deal get togethers or something? Or is it that they want us to do something like: Joe: "Hi, My name is Joe Schmoe and I an Electrical Engineer" Me:"(Fingers in ears) I'm not listening LA LA LA LA LA... I start listening when you start talking about Geocaching" Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 29 20:42:59 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Do administrators fear that geocachers are becoming too much like normal people? In-Reply-To: <20030929202439.21651.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030929204259.34366.qmail@web14802.mail.yahoo.com> --0-652135145-1064868179=:34243 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ken Akerman wrote: I guess the administrators must fear that we geocachers are becoming too much like normal people. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) LOL. There's no chance of that happening. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-652135145-1064868179=:34243 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


Ken Akerman <ken@highpointer.com> wrote:
 
I guess the administrators must fear that we geocachers are becoming too much like normal people.
 
Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)
 
 
LOL. There's no chance of that happening.

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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-652135145-1064868179=:34243-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 29 21:07:17 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:07:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Do administrators fear that geocachers are becoming too much like normal people? References: <20030929202439.21651.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c601c386cd$aa0fdd90$179c6844@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C38692.FD920BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, so a simple request was blown WAAAAAAY out of proportion. CO Admin = didn't say that he wouldn't approve the event cache if that wasn't = included, but just mentioned it in a polite way. As I've said before, this approver seems to be pretty cool, and is = fairly quick on approving caches and working with cachers on caches for = approval. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ken Akerman=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Do administrators fear that geocachers are = becoming too much like normal people? =20 I noticed this note from CO admin on the new breakfast event cache in = December by Evil Fish: "If you wouldn't mind, I would suggest that you mention that the = purpose of this gathering is, in part, to discuss caching." You mean there are other things to talk about besides geocaching? I guess the administrators must fear that we geocachers are becoming = too much like normal people. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C38692.FD920BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, so a simple request was blown = WAAAAAAY out of=20 proportion.  CO Admin didn't say that he wouldn't approve the event = cache=20 if that wasn't included, but just mentioned it in a polite = way.
 
As I've said before, this approver = seems to be=20 pretty cool, and is fairly quick on approving caches and working with = cachers on=20 caches for approval.

Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ken = Akerman=20
Sent: Monday, September 29, = 2003 1:24=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Do=20 administrators fear that geocachers are becoming too much like normal=20 people?

I noticed this note from CO=20 admin on the new=20 breakfast event cache in December by Evil=20 Fish:
 
"If you wouldn't mind, I would suggest that = you=20 mention that the purpose of this gathering is, in part, to discuss=20 caching."
 
You mean there are other things to talk about besides = geocaching?
 
I guess the administrators must fear that we geocachers are = becoming too=20 much like normal people.
 
Ken (a.k.a.=20 = Highpointer)
------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C38692.FD920BE0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 29 21:46:59 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Do administrators fear that geocachers are becoming too much like normal people? References: <20030929202439.21651.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> <00c601c386cd$aa0fdd90$179c6844@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <002301c386d3$372fb240$27c0b73f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C38698.89ABE240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey no one is talking about the favorite 5????????????????????// ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian Casteel=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Do administrators fear that geocachers = are becoming too much like normal people? Ok, so a simple request was blown WAAAAAAY out of proportion. CO = Admin didn't say that he wouldn't approve the event cache if that wasn't = included, but just mentioned it in a polite way. As I've said before, this approver seems to be pretty cool, and is = fairly quick on approving caches and working with cachers on caches for = approval. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ken Akerman=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Do administrators fear that geocachers are = becoming too much like normal people? =20 I noticed this note from CO admin on the new breakfast event cache = in December by Evil Fish: "If you wouldn't mind, I would suggest that you mention that the = purpose of this gathering is, in part, to discuss caching." You mean there are other things to talk about besides geocaching? I guess the administrators must fear that we geocachers are becoming = too much like normal people. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C38698.89ABE240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey no one is talking about the = favorite=20 5????????????????????//
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian = Casteel=20
Sent: Monday, September 29, = 2003 2:07=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Do = administrators fear that geocachers are becoming too much like normal=20 people?

Ok, so a simple request was blown = WAAAAAAY out of=20 proportion.  CO Admin didn't say that he wouldn't approve the = event cache=20 if that wasn't included, but just mentioned it in a polite = way.
 
As I've said before, this approver = seems to be=20 pretty cool, and is fairly quick on approving caches and working with = cachers=20 on caches for approval.

Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ken=20 Akerman
Sent: Monday, September 29, = 2003 1:24=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Do=20 administrators fear that geocachers are becoming too much like = normal=20 people?

I noticed this note from CO=20 admin on the new=20 breakfast event cache in December by Evil=20 Fish:
 
"If you wouldn't mind, I would suggest = that you=20 mention that the purpose of this gathering is, in part, to discuss=20 caching."
 
You mean there are other things to talk about besides = geocaching?
 
I guess the administrators must fear that we geocachers are = becoming=20 too much like normal people.
 
Ken (a.k.a.=20 = Highpointer)
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C38698.89ABE240-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 29 22:14:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Do administrators fear that geocachers are becoming too much like normal people? In-Reply-To: <002301c386d3$372fb240$27c0b73f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <20030929221436.6443.qmail@web14812.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2053254745-1064873676=:6133 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm too busy griping about the geocaching admins at the moment. I sent an e-mail almost 4 weeks ago and still have not received a response despite 3 follow up e-mails. I'm getting a bit cranky and a bit turned off of the geocaching website as a result. The original issue (which was a positive issue) required follow up action from them. Grrr. But to answer your question: Micro, Fullsize, Urban, Rural, and Multi. Roadrunner's Revenge: Net Serve, D- Man for urban and micros. Ain't No Crime in Being Different for rural and fullsize Arizona Falls for urban Powerful Cacti for fullsize One that Came Before And What was Left Behind, and Los Muertos de Tempe for multi Can I nominate some of my own? I love Lonesome Bush for it's unusual benchmark. Old Glory: the Dogs of War Rx: GPS prn Winter Art Walk (the next version of this will be coming in another couple of months with the new set of statues, only I have to add a cache component to it.) Regan L Smith wrote:Hey no one is talking about the favorite 5????????????????????// --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-2053254745-1064873676=:6133 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I'm too busy griping about the geocaching admins at the moment. I sent an e-mail almost 4 weeks ago and still have not received a response despite 3 follow up e-mails. I'm getting a bit cranky and a bit turned off of the geocaching website as a result. The original issue (which was a positive issue) required follow up action from them.
 
Grrr.
 
But to answer your question:
Micro, Fullsize, Urban, Rural, and Multi.
 
Roadrunner's Revenge: Net Serve, D- Man for urban and micros.
Ain't No Crime in Being Different for rural and fullsize
Arizona Falls for urban
Powerful Cacti for fullsize
One that Came Before And What was Left Behind, and Los Muertos de Tempe for multi
 
Can I nominate some of my own?
I love Lonesome Bush for it's unusual benchmark.
Old Glory: the Dogs of War
Rx: GPS prn
Winter Art Walk  (the next version of this will be coming in another couple of months with the new set of statues, only I have to add a cache component to it.)

Regan L Smith <buggers@mindspring.com> wrote:
Hey no one is talking about the favorite 5????????????????????//

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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-2053254745-1064873676=:6133-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Sep 29 23:40:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:40:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Roundtable Reminder Message-ID: <001c01c386e3$161f15e0$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C386A8.69C03DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a reminder to all of you who have signed up to attend the Geocaching Roundtable: It is tomorrow evening (Tuesday the 30th) from 7:00 to 8:30 at the Pueblo Grande Museum in Phoenix. See you all then! Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C386A8.69C03DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just a reminder to all of you who have signed up to = attend the Geocaching Roundtable: It is tomorrow evening (Tuesday the = 30th) from 7:00 to 8:30 at the Pueblo Grande Museum in Phoenix. See you all then!

 

Steve

Team Tierra Buena

------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C386A8.69C03DE0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 30 00:50:06 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Roundtable Reminder In-Reply-To: <001c01c386e3$161f15e0$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <20030930005006.78258.qmail@web14802.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1090715795-1064883006=:78141 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How any people are going to be there? Will we be well represented? Team Tierra Buena wrote: Just a reminder to all of you who have signed up to attend the Geocaching Roundtable: It is tomorrow evening (Tuesday the 30th) from 7:00 to 8:30 at the Pueblo Grande Museum in Phoenix. See you all then! Steve Team Tierra Buena --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1090715795-1064883006=:78141 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
How any people are going to be there? Will we be well represented?

Team Tierra Buena <TeamTierraBuena@earthlink.net> wrote:

Just a reminder to all of you who have signed up to attend the Geocaching Roundtable: It is tomorrow evening (Tuesday the 30th) from 7:00 to 8:30 at the Pueblo Grande < FONT face=Arial size=2>Museum in Phoenix. See you all then!

 

Steve

Team Tierra Buena

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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1090715795-1064883006=:78141-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 30 01:58:17 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Carol King) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:58:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Co Admin Message-ID: <3F78E339.5040806@qwest.net> I agree with Scott - CO admin may be nice, but he sure is a control freak! After trying to place a really neat virtual in CO instead of a traditional as we are only up there once a year, I got put down for not making it a traditional, and then he denied it because it was a "vacation" cache anyway. I think their new rule about vacation caches is unfair and vague - especially for those of us who travel in RV's extensively. What if we have a home state like TX because of taxes, but spend our summers in CO, UT and MN(or others), and winter in AZ? Are we stuck to placing caches only in TX, and what is our perimeter, 25, 50 miles of our PO Box address or the whole state? Why are they so against virtuals, which are usually very educational and entertaining? I just don't understand their reasoning, and what recourse do we the cachers have? Does anyone know where we can express our opinion? Regards, Team Safari From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 30 02:00:09 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:00:09 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Co Admin References: <3F78E339.5040806@qwest.net> Message-ID: <000501c386f6$9b888c80$0500a8c0@one> I have no problems with virtuals but I can see why they try to limit them. A lot of the early virtual where placed by cachers on vacation that knew that they could not maintain a traditional cache. Many of these spots would make a great traditional or a stage of a multi but since a virtual was there that was no longer an option. The main type of cache was one with a container but the sport grew to include other types. Virtuals are nice and have there place but if a container can be placed there it should. So the simple rule of thumb is that if the site is suitable for a container it should have one. And if it has a container it should be maintained. Virtuals should only be placed when there is no other options. I totally agree with the no vacation rule because I've seen to many caches that go to trash because there is no one to maintain it. Yes I still have a cache in AZ and no I can not personally can not maintain it. But I have made arrangements with another team to check on it if there is a problem. Some day I do hole to be able to return but for now it is still active so I will leave it. Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol King" To: Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Co Admin > I agree with Scott - CO admin may be nice, but he sure is a control > freak! After trying to place a really neat virtual in CO instead of a > traditional as we are only up there once a year, I got put down for not > making it a traditional, and then he denied it because it was a > "vacation" cache anyway. I think their new rule about vacation caches is > unfair and vague - especially for those of us who travel in RV's > extensively. What if we have a home state like TX because of taxes, but > spend our summers in CO, UT and MN(or others), and winter in AZ? Are we > stuck to placing caches only in TX, and what is our perimeter, 25, 50 > miles of our PO Box address or the whole state? Why are they so against > virtuals, which are usually very educational and entertaining? I just > don't understand their reasoning, and what recourse do we the cachers > have? Does anyone know where we can express our opinion? Regards, Team > Safari > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 30 02:21:18 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:21:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Co Admin In-Reply-To: <000501c386f6$9b888c80$0500a8c0@one> References: <3F78E339.5040806@qwest.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030929191910.023ca4a0@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 10:00 PM 9/29/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I have no problems with virtuals but I can see why they try to limit them. >A lot of the early virtual where placed by cachers on vacation that knew >that they could not maintain a traditional cache. Many of these spots would >make a great traditional or a stage of a multi but since a virtual was there >that was no longer an option. My only problem with making a virtual a leg in a multi is what the purpose of the cache is. I use my Famous Trees cache as an example. There is no way possible to put a real cache there, and the whole point of the cache is to take you to one specific tree amongst a large group of trees. If it was simply a let of a multi, then the final destination would not be the same, and the historical significance of that particular tree would be lost. Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 30 03:37:29 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:37:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Roundtable Reminder In-Reply-To: <20030930005006.78258.qmail@web14802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c38704$2dd2e240$6401a8c0@NOTEBOOK> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C386C9.81740A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There will be about six or seven cachers, and a similar number of land management folks. It should be a comfortable mix. Steve Team Tierra Buena =20 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale Draper Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:50 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Roundtable Reminder =20 How any people are going to be there? Will we be well represented? Team Tierra Buena wrote:=20 Just a reminder to all of you who have signed up to attend the = Geocaching Roundtable: It is tomorrow evening (Tuesday the 30th) from 7:00 to 8:30 = at the Pueblo Grande < FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Museum in Phoenix. See = you all then! =20 Steve Team Tierra Buena _____ =20 Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C386C9.81740A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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How any people are going to be there? Will we = be well represented?

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Just a reminder to all of = you who have signed up to attend the Geocaching Roundtable: It is tomorrow = evening (Tuesday the 30th) from 7:00 to 8:30 at the Pueblo Grande = < FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Museum in Phoenix. See you all = then!

 

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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C386C9.81740A40-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 30 18:02:20 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Patrick Brown) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:02:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Camp out event cache Message-ID: <3F79C52C.000003.01656@EMachine> I am thinking about setting up a Camp out event cache in mid Nov. About 25 miles west of Wickenburg. Please let me know what everyone thinks. This will be near GCE666 Where there is already 6 Caches in the area. There is a camping place and food if we let them know ahead of time how many people. Patrick Brown PANDA77 Check out http://www.geocaching.com/ http://www.azgeocaching.com/ http://users.w3az.net/panda77/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 30 18:30:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Henson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:30:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Camp out event cache In-Reply-To: <3F79C52C.000003.01656@EMachine> Message-ID: <19AE9FC2-F374-11D7-AC45-000393A13A32@cableone.net> Sounds good to me. Is this a fee area for camping? Is the road into the campsite useable by large motor homes? What dates are you looking at? On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 11:02 AM, Patrick Brown wrote: > I am thinking about setting up a Camp out event cache in mid Nov. > About 25 > miles west of Wickenburg. Please let me know what everyone thinks. > This will > be near GCE666 Where there is already 6 Caches in the area. There is a > camping place and food if we let them know ahead of time how many > people. > > Patrick Brown > PANDA77 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 30 18:32:08 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:32:08 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Camp out event cache Message-ID: Sounds like a very good thing. Put me on the list. Barry "Patrick Brown" To: Sent by: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching. cc: com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Camp out event cache Tuesday September 30, 2003 11:02 AM Please respond to listserv I am thinking about setting up a Camp out event cache in mid Nov. About 25 miles west of Wickenburg. Please let me know what everyone thinks. This will be near GCE666 Where there is already 6 Caches in the area. There is a camping place and food if we let them know ahead of time how many people. Patrick Brown PANDA77 Check out http://www.geocaching.com/ http://www.azgeocaching.com/ http://users.w3az.net/panda77/ ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 30 19:36:48 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Virtuals and camping out In-Reply-To: <200309301905.MAA19481@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: <20030930193648.79138.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1913442026-1064950608=:79009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii GC.com's rules on Virtuals are bordering on the ridiculous. I personally think that a Virtual with MERIT should be approved (not "here's another stop sign" virtual). If it is a place or thing that holds some historic or interesting value, and someone wants to make it a virtual, then they should be able to. The argument that "if a traditional cache can be placed there, then it shouldn't be a virtual" just doesn't hold up, in my opinion. A micro can be placed anywhere, so that shoots down 99% of virtuals right there. I know I am not the only one who likes to read historical signs at the side of freeways, and I find them a good lesson, as well as a "find". What would it hurt GC.com to list Virts? They already list Benchmarks, there is no logbook to sign or swag to trade when you do those. Why is one forced to put yet ANOTHER micro at a location, just to get a Virtual approved? It is just an unnecessary piece of geo-litter. Why the crackdown on Virtuals, anyhow? If GC.com is try ing to free up server space by eliminating Virts, they should begin by deleting the 150+ pages of past forum discussions that no one references anyway. A Virtual cache should be allowed anywhere (with MERIT, remember) and should be able to be placed by anyone. I should be able to place a Virtual in Siberia, if I wanted, because there is no maintenance to do on these types of caches. What does it hurt to place a Virt there? Nothing at all. If people don't want to do it, then they don't have to, but there shouldn't be a push to eliminate listing them from the site. It seems that GC.com is wanting to list the types of caches that appeal to THEM only. As far as those people in RV's, if you frequent a certain route, I think you should be able to place a cache there. How often do normal caches get maintained? Twice a year? I would bet even less than that. Those people in RV's that want to place a cache and are able to get to it even once a year should be allowed to do so. Most of the time cachers will be able to change out a logbook or fix a small problem with the cache anyhow. The maintenance excuse for not allowing a cache is really a joke. How many caches have you all seen that are not going to get maintained at all? Caches on top of mountains? Or ones way out in the desert? There are plenty of examples out there. I don't buy that excuse for cache denial, since MOST cachers never do cache maintenance anyways. Something needs to change, that's for sure. All types of caches need to be accomodated, and there should not be such a restrictive nature to GC.com. Panda, I think the camp-out idea would be cool. When you submit it, just be sure to mention that we will all be talking about caching at some point during the event. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1913442026-1064950608=:79009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
GC.com's rules on Virtuals are bordering on the ridiculous. I personally think that a Virtual with MERIT should be approved (not "here's another stop sign" virtual). If it is a place or thing that holds some historic or interesting value, and someone wants to make it a virtual, then they should be able to. The argument that "if a traditional cache can be placed there, then it shouldn't be a virtual" just doesn't hold up, in my opinion. A micro can be placed anywhere, so that shoots down 99% of virtuals right there.  I know I am not the only one who likes to read historical signs at the side of freeways, and I find them a good lesson, as well as a "find". What would it hurt GC.com to list Virts? They already list Benchmarks, there is no logbook to sign or swag to trade when you do those. Why is one forced to put yet ANOTHER micro at a location, just to get a Virtual approved? It is just an unnecessary piece of geo-litter. Why the crackdown on Virtuals, anyhow? If GC. com is trying to free up server space by eliminating Virts, they should begin by deleting the 150+ pages of past forum discussions that no one references anyway. A Virtual cache should be allowed anywhere (with MERIT, remember) and should be able to be placed by anyone. I should be able to place a Virtual in Siberia, if I wanted, because there is no maintenance to do on these types of caches. What does it hurt to place a Virt there? Nothing at all. If people don't want to do it, then they don't have to, but there shouldn't be a push to eliminate listing them from the site. It seems that GC.com is wanting to list the types of caches that appeal to THEM only.
As far as those people in RV's, if you frequent a certain route, I think you should be able to place a cache there. How often do normal caches get maintained? Twice a year? I would bet even less than that. Those people in RV's that want to place a cache and are able to get to it even once a year should be allowed to do so. Most of the time cachers will be able to change out a logbook or fix a small problem with the cache anyhow. The maintenance excuse for not allowing a cache is really a joke. How many caches have you all seen that are not going to get maintained at all? Caches on top of mountains? Or ones way out in the desert? There are plenty of examples out there. I don't buy that excuse for cache denial, since MOST cachers never do cache maintenance anyways.
 
Something needs to change, that's for sure. All types of caches need to be accomodated, and there should not be such a restrictive nature to GC.com.
 
Panda, I think the camp-out idea would be cool. When you submit it, just be sure to mention that we will all be talking about caching at some point during the event.
 

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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1913442026-1064950608=:79009-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 30 20:20:55 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What is wrong with vacation caches in remote areas? In-Reply-To: <200309301905.MAA19481@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: <20030930202055.61212.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> --0-135263625-1064953255=:60631 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What is wrong with vacation caches, when you are placing a cache in a remote area where there are no active geocachers living nearby? If the cache is a good quality cache, in a durable, airtight container like an ammo can, and located in a remote area, then it will likely not need to be "maintained." There is a definite need for more geocaches in places farther away from cities. Without geocachers placing some "vacation" caches, then some parts of the USA and other parts of the world will have few or no caches. Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-135263625-1064953255=:60631 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
What is wrong with vacation caches, when you are placing a cache in a remote area where there are no active geocachers living nearby?  If the cache is a good quality cache, in a durable, airtight container like an ammo can, and located in a remote area, then it  will likely not need to be "maintained."  There is a definite need for more geocaches in places farther away from cities. 
 
Without geocachers placing some "vacation" caches, then some parts of the USA and other parts of the world will have few or no caches.
 
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--0-135263625-1064953255=:60631-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 30 20:59:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry H) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Virtuals and camping out In-Reply-To: <20030930193648.79138.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030930205924.9245.qmail@web40206.mail.yahoo.com> --- J H/TEAM 360 wrote: I know I am not the only one who likes > to read historical signs at the side of freeways, > and I find them a good lesson, as well as a "find". I thought you didn't care about 'finds' anymore? :D If GC.com is trying to > free up server space by eliminating Virts, they > should begin by deleting the 150+ pages of past > forum discussions that no one references anyway. Sounds like a number I posted recently ;) Seriously, while I don't mind virtuals WITH MERIT, the game is geoCACHING (emphasis mine). The idea is to find a hidden container and sign a logbook proving you found it. Virtuals were designed to allow playing the game at places that could not support a hidden container, such as NPS land. With all of the unique micro-containers floating around out there, it is hard to find a place that could only have a true virtual cache. What's wrong with hiding a logsheet/book at an interesting site rather than having the finder email a picture or codeword to you? Does it really take something away from the experience? Do you really think the finder is going to learn something more by not logging a book and email you instead? I don't buy that one. I've found a few virtuals and couldn't tell you what I 'learned' at any of them. I haven't had the desire to find out more about why the monument or marker was placed there. I imagine most other cachers are about the same. ===== FriarED _______________________________________ Isn't having a smoking section in a restaurant like having a peeing section in a swimming pool? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 30 21:56:32 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale Draper) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Virtuals and camping out In-Reply-To: <20030930205924.9245.qmail@web40206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030930215632.57624.qmail@web14803.mail.yahoo.com> --0-787691238-1064958992=:56361 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There are plenty of you who don't like virtuals. That is fine for you. But you are insisting virtuals be eliminated for those who enjoy doing them. That stinks. I think some virtuals have more merit than just another altoids tin or tupperware among another trashy area. I'm picky and I don't do every cache. Why can't those of you who hate virtuals leave them alone for the rest of us to enjoy? I have a cache that I want to do this year similar to one I did last year involving the statues on Main street in Mesa. I have to incorporate a cache with it now. I think it degrades my cache. Now people will walk around, see the statues and have to drive a few miles away just to claim credit for it. I would have liked the option to keep it as a virtual cache. All of that said, it is Jeremy's site, with his rules/guidelines. I'll play by his rules until there are other options. Can people still get credit for the Wickenburg event if we only come for the day? My bad hip cannot do camp outs any more. Not if I want to be able to walk at all the next day. Larry H wrote: --- J H/TEAM 360 wrote: I know I am not the only one who likes > to read historical signs at the side of freeways, > and I find them a good lesson, as well as a "find". I thought you didn't care about 'finds' anymore? :D If GC.com is trying to > free up server space by eliminating Virts, they > should begin by deleting the 150+ pages of past > forum discussions that no one references anyway. Sounds like a number I posted recently ;) Seriously, while I don't mind virtuals WITH MERIT, the game is geoCACHING (emphasis mine). The idea is to find a hidden container and sign a logbook proving you found it. Virtuals were designed to allow playing the game at places that could not support a hidden container, such as NPS land. With all of the unique micro-containers floating around out there, it is hard to find a place that could only have a true virtual cache. What's wrong with hiding a logsheet/book at an interesting site rather than having the finder email a picture or codeword to you? Does it really take something away from the experience? Do you really think the finder is going to learn something more by not logging a book and email you instead? I don't buy that one. I've found a few virtuals and couldn't tell you what I 'learned' at any of them. I haven't had the desire to find out more about why the monument or marker was placed there. I imagine most other cachers are about the same. ===== FriarED _______________________________________ Isn't having a smoking section in a restaurant like having a peeing section in a swimming pool? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-787691238-1064958992=:56361 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
There are plenty of you who don't like virtuals. That is fine for you. But you are insisting virtuals be eliminated for those who enjoy doing them. That stinks. I think some virtuals have more merit than just another altoids tin or tupperware among another trashy area. I'm picky and I don't do every cache. Why can't those of you who hate virtuals leave them alone for the rest of us to enjoy?
 
I have a cache that I want to do this year similar to one I did last year involving the statues on Main street in Mesa. I have to incorporate a cache with it now. I think it degrades my cache. Now people will walk around, see the statues and have to drive a few miles away just to claim credit for it. I would have liked the option to keep it as a virtual cache.
 
All of that said, it is Jeremy's site, with his rules/guidelines. I'll play by his rules until there are other options.
 
Can people still get credit for the Wickenburg event if we only come for the day? My bad hip cannot do camp outs any more. Not if I want to be able to walk at all the next day.

Larry H <friared1@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- J H/TEAM 360 wrote:
I know I am not the only one who likes
> to read historical signs at the side of freeways,
> and I find them a good lesson, as well as a "find".

I thought you didn't care about 'finds' anymore? :D

If GC.com is trying to
> free up server space by eliminating Virts, they
> should begin by deleting the 150+ pages of past
> forum discussions that no one references anyway.

Sounds like a number I posted recently ;)

Seriously, while I don't mind virtuals WITH MERIT, the
game is geoCACHING (emphasis mine). The idea is to
find a hidden container and sign a logbook proving you
found it. Virtuals were designed to allow playing the
game at places that could not support a hidden
container, such as NPS land.
With all of the unique micro-containers floating
around out there, it is hard to find a place that
could only have a true virtual cache. What's wrong
with hiding a logsheet/book at an interesting site
rather than having the finder email a picture or
codeword to you? Does it really take something away
from the experience? Do you really think the finder is
going to learn something more by not logging a book
and email you instead? I don't buy that one. I've
found a few virtuals and couldn't tell you what I
'learned' at any of them. I haven't had the desire to
find out more about why the monument or marker was
placed there. I imagine most other cachers are about
the same.

=====
FriarED

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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-787691238-1064958992=:56361-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 30 22:04:23 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Henson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:04:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Virtuals and camping out In-Reply-To: <20030930205924.9245.qmail@web40206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0CD03052-F392-11D7-AC45-000393A13A32@cableone.net> --Apple-Mail-4-752917766 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 01:59 PM, Larry H wrote: Just another point of view... >Seriously, while I don't mind virtuals WITH MERIT, the >game is geoCACHING (emphasis mine). I have three virtuals that would not be approved now, but when I read the logs it seems that some people think they have MERIT. Here are some logs as examples: September 28 (45 found) Found this one on our way to Parks for the weekend. Interesting stop and a good leg stretch. Thanks. [view/edit this log on a separate page] September 14 (185 found) 4:00 am. We had hoped to get enough gas here to make it to Kingman, but they were closed. We were still able to learn something about Ash Fork by stopping at this virtual. Thanks! [view/edit this log on a separate page] September 6 by 4 (36 found) Found it along with lots of historical info. Great stop for a quick lesson for the girls & they don't even realize History class was in session. Thanks! For more logs go here: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=27120 >The idea is to >find a hidden container and sign a logbook proving you >found it. Virtuals were designed to allow playing the >game at places that could not support a hidden >container, such as NPS land. Yes, looking for the logbook... tearing up landscaping, pulling down ivy, turning over rocks, tipping over a fountain and looking at the bottom, just playing the game. Not pointing fingers, but these things happen. > I don't buy that one. I've >found a few virtuals and couldn't tell you what I >'learned' at any of them. I haven't had the desire to >find out more about why the monument or marker was >placed there. I imagine most other cachers are about >the same. I choose to disagree with these statement. Maybe they hold true for you, but others may have a different view. Respectfully, submitted for your consideration. Ken Henson Prescott, Arizona --Apple-Mail-4-752917766 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 01:59 PM, Larry H wrote: < Just another point of view... >Seriously, while I don't mind virtuals WITH MERIT, the >game is geoCACHING (emphasis mine). I have three virtuals that would not be approved now, but when I read the logs it seems that some people think they have MERIT. Here are some logs as examples: VerdanaSeptember 28 Verdana (45 found) Found this one on our way to Parks for the weekend. Interesting stop and a good leg stretch. Thanks. [view/edit this log on a separate page] September 14 (185 found) 4:00 am. We had hoped to get enough gas here to make it to Kingman, but they were closed. We were still able to learn something about Ash Fork by stopping at this virtual. Thanks! [view/edit this log on a separate page] September 6 by 4 (36 found) Found it along with lots of historical info. Great stop for a quick lesson for the girls & they don't even realize History class was in session. Thanks! For more logs go here: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=27120 >The idea is to >find a hidden container and sign a logbook proving you >found it. Virtuals were designed to allow playing the >game at places that could not support a hidden >container, such as NPS land. Yes, looking for the logbook... tearing up landscaping, pulling down ivy, turning over rocks, tipping over a fountain and looking at the bottom, just playing the game. Not pointing fingers, but these things happen. > I don't buy that one. I've >found a few virtuals and couldn't tell you what I >'learned' at any of them. I haven't had the desire to >find out more about why the monument or marker was >placed there. I imagine most other cachers are about >the same. I choose to disagree with these statement. Maybe they hold true for you, but others may have a different view. Respectfully, submitted for your consideration. Ken Henson Prescott, Arizona --Apple-Mail-4-752917766-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 30 22:50:44 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:50:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Virtuals and camping out References: <20030930193648.79138.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005a01c387a5$4856d670$179c6844@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C3876A.9BDB4EB0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0057_01C3876A.9BDB4EB0" ------=_NextPart_001_0057_01C3876A.9BDB4EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For someone who doesn't care about having their own caches anymore, I = don't understand why you are complaining. Were you going to make a = grand re-re-entrance into Geocaching as an active participant by logging = finds online? I understand why they are limiting the approvals of virtual caches. = It's so every roadside sign/'landmark'/object doesn't turn into a = virtual. However, there are some admins who are too heavy-handed and it = hurts the sport to a degree. When a situation like that is encountered, = it's best to maintain a level head and approach the discussion by = looking at it from their point of view. If a micro can be placed on the = back/side/under/on top of one of these signs, why not just do it? I = also understand that this would require occasional maintenance, whereas = a virtual requires NONE. Therein lies the potential problem I would = imagine. In some cases, cachers are choosing the easy way out by = creating a virtual instead of placing a traditional or micro cache. = When considering the downtown Mesa statues, I believe that should remain = a virtual, without having to incorporate anything in the way of a micro = for a log to sign. Going back to the roadside sign issue. Would it really be that = difficult to require a cacher to walk the extra 18" AROUND the sign to = pull the container off and sign the log, while perhaps requiring a = certain portion of the information to be e-mailed as well to get credit = for the find? Last time I checked, micros weren't considered = geo-litter...except maybe by those who think a non-maintenance virtual = would be just fine. =20 Virtual caches *do* have their place, but not necessarily at any simple = roadside sign you come across. The point of virtuals is to have an = opportunity to cache in areas where traditionals aren't feasible OR = allowed, such as NPS lands. There were quite a few virtuals recently = approved in the Yellowstone National Park area, because actual caches = aren't allowed. Personally, I wouldn't try to place a virtual in an = area I haven't been to, so I guess that one for Bikini Atoll is out of = the question now. As I recall, those in the forums also believed that a = micro would be better-suited for one sign in particular that looks = strikingly similar to the shape of the State of Nevada. GC.com is making attempts at returning to their roots, which are = PHYSICAL caches with PAPER logs to sign. There are many who want to go = in a different direction as them, and they are free to start their own = site and pursue that (i.e., piratecaching.com or navicache). Perhaps = one of the vocalists of the anti-virtual banning movement could create = virtualcaching.com or one of these variants, which are available: virtualcaching.net=20 virtualcaching.org virtualcaching.biz=20 virtualcaching.info virtualcaching.us=20 virtualcaching.ws virtualcaching.tv=20 virtualcaching.cc=20 Virtuals may make a comeback, but most likely after a hiatus so people = aren't trying to outplace traditional caches with virtual ones. For those who haven't been able to place caches while traveling through = areas you frequent, if the cache is denied by the admin(s), you have = avenues of appeal. Direct e-mail with them, as well as the forums if = you feel you aren't being 'heard'. It's worked in a number of cases if = the admin chooses to stick to their guns and not change their minds. I = personally had 2 traditional 'vacation' caches approved, because I = stated up front my intentions, as well as who would be maintaining them. = This resulted in immediate approval, because TPTB understood everything = that was going on. Respect is a two-way street. If you treat the = admins with the same respect you want to receive, things typically work = themselves out. By arguing because you disagree, it defeats all = positives that could come from the dialogue. In doing so, what may very = well be the case is that the admin becomes more concrete in their = thinking and is completely resistant to input or change. Working *with* = them more than likely would instill a sense of compromise in their = minds, unless the changes in rules/policy simply forbids it. However, = he/she might possibly try to champion the changes that we would like to = see, or at the very least be an avid supporter of the movement for = change. As for the campout, that would be a cool idea. The weather will be = great and a HUGE bonfire sounds like a must-have. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J H/TEAM 360=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:36 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Virtuals and camping out GC.com's rules on Virtuals are bordering on the ridiculous. I = personally think that a Virtual with MERIT should be approved (not = "here's another stop sign" virtual). If it is a place or thing that = holds some historic or interesting value, and someone wants to make it a = virtual, then they should be able to. The argument that "if a = traditional cache can be placed there, then it shouldn't be a virtual" = just doesn't hold up, in my opinion. A micro can be placed anywhere, so = that shoots down 99% of virtuals right there. I know I am not the only = one who likes to read historical signs at the side of freeways, and I = find them a good lesson, as well as a "find". What would it hurt GC.com = to list Virts? They already list Benchmarks, there is no logbook to sign = or swag to trade when you do those. Why is one forced to put yet ANOTHER = micro at a location, just to get a Virtual approved? It is just an = unnecessary piece of geo-litter. Why the crackdown on Virtuals, anyhow? = If GC. com is trying to free up server space by eliminating Virts, they = should begin by deleting the 150+ pages of past forum discussions that = no one references anyway. A Virtual cache should be allowed anywhere = (with MERIT, remember) and should be able to be placed by anyone. I = should be able to place a Virtual in Siberia, if I wanted, because there = is no maintenance to do on these types of caches. What does it hurt to = place a Virt there? Nothing at all. If people don't want to do it, then = they don't have to, but there shouldn't be a push to eliminate listing = them from the site. It seems that GC.com is wanting to list the types of = caches that appeal to THEM only. As far as those people in RV's, if you frequent a certain route, I = think you should be able to place a cache there. How often do normal = caches get maintained? Twice a year? I would bet even less than that. = Those people in RV's that want to place a cache and are able to get to = it even once a year should be allowed to do so. Most of the time cachers = will be able to change out a logbook or fix a small problem with the = cache anyhow. The maintenance excuse for not allowing a cache is really = a joke. How many caches have you all seen that are not going to get = maintained at all? Caches on top of mountains? Or ones way out in the = desert? There are plenty of examples out there. I don't buy that excuse = for cache denial, since MOST cachers never do cache maintenance anyways. Something needs to change, that's for sure. All types of caches need = to be accomodated, and there should not be such a restrictive nature to = GC.com. Panda, I think the camp-out idea would be cool. When you submit it, = just be sure to mention that we will all be talking about caching at = some point during the event.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------=_NextPart_001_0057_01C3876A.9BDB4EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For someone who doesn't care about = having their own=20 caches anymore, I don't understand why you are complaining.  Were = you going=20 to make a grand re-re-entrance into Geocaching as an active participant = by=20 logging finds online?
 
I understand why they are limiting the = approvals of=20 virtual caches.  It's so every roadside sign/'landmark'/object = doesn't turn=20 into a virtual.  However, there are some admins who are too = heavy-handed=20 and it hurts the sport to a degree.  When a situation like that is=20 encountered, it's best to maintain a level head and approach the = discussion by=20 looking at it from their point of view.  If a micro can be placed = on the=20 back/side/under/on top of one of these signs, why not just do it?  = I also=20 understand that this would require occasional maintenance, whereas a = virtual=20 requires NONE.  Therein lies the potential problem I would = imagine. =20 In some cases, cachers are choosing the easy way out by = creating a virtual instead of placing a traditional or micro = cache.  When=20 considering the downtown Mesa statues, I believe that should remain a = virtual,=20 without having to incorporate anything in the way of a micro for a log = to=20 sign.

Going back to the roadside sign issue.  Would it really be = that=20 difficult to require a cacher to walk the extra 18" AROUND the sign to = pull the=20 container off and sign the log, while perhaps requiring a certain = portion of the=20 information to be e-mailed as well to get credit for the find?  = Last time I=20 checked, micros weren't considered geo-litter...except maybe by those = who think=20 a non-maintenance virtual would be just fine. 
 
Virtual caches *do* have their place, but not necessarily at any = simple=20 roadside sign you come across.  The point of virtuals is to have an = opportunity to cache in areas where traditionals aren't feasible OR = allowed,=20 such as NPS lands.  There were quite a few virtuals recently = approved in=20 the Yellowstone National Park area, because actual caches aren't = allowed. =20 Personally, I wouldn't try to place a virtual in an area I haven't been = to, so I=20 guess that one for Bikini Atoll is out of the question now.  As I = recall,=20 those in the forums also believed that a micro would be better-suited = for one=20 sign in particular that looks strikingly similar to the shape of the = State of=20 Nevada.

GC.com is making attempts at returning to their roots, which = are=20 PHYSICAL caches with PAPER logs to sign.  There are many who want = to go in=20 a different direction as them, and they are free to start their own site = and=20 pursue that (i.e., piratecaching.com or navicache).  Perhaps one of = the=20 vocalists of the anti-virtual banning movement could create = virtualcaching.com=20 or one of these variants, which are available:
virtualcaching.net
virtualcaching.org virtualcaching.biz
virtualcaching.info virtualcaching.us
virtualcaching.ws virtualcaching.tv
virtualcaching.cc
 
Virtuals may make a comeback, but most likely after a hiatus so = people=20 aren't trying to outplace traditional caches with virtual ones.
 
For those who haven't been able to place caches while traveling = through=20 areas you frequent, if the cache is denied by the admin(s), you have = avenues of=20 appeal.  Direct e-mail with them, as well as the forums if you feel = you=20 aren't being 'heard'.  It's worked in a number of cases if the = admin=20 chooses to stick to their guns and not change their minds.  I = personally=20 had 2 traditional 'vacation' caches approved, because I stated up front = my=20 intentions, as well as who would be maintaining them.  This = resulted in=20 immediate approval, because TPTB understood everything that was going = on. =20 Respect is a two-way street.  If you treat the admins with the same = respect=20 you want to receive, things typically work themselves out.  By = arguing=20 because you disagree, it defeats all positives that could come from the=20 dialogue.  In doing so, what may very well be the case is that the = admin=20 becomes more concrete in their thinking and is completely resistant to = input or=20 change.  Working *with* them more than likely would instill a sense = of=20 compromise in their minds, unless the changes in rules/policy simply = forbids=20 it.  However, he/she might possibly try to champion the changes = that we=20 would like to see, or at the very least be an avid supporter of the = movement for=20 change.
 
As for the campout, that would be a cool idea.  The weather = will be=20 great and a HUGE bonfire sounds like a must-have.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J = H/TEAM=20 360
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, = 2003 12:36=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = Virtuals and=20 camping out

GC.com's rules on Virtuals are bordering on the ridiculous. I = personally=20 think that a Virtual with MERIT should be approved (not "here's = another stop=20 sign" virtual). If it is a place or thing that holds some historic or=20 interesting value, and someone wants to make it a virtual, then they = should be=20 able to. The argument that "if a traditional cache can be placed = there, then=20 it shouldn't be a virtual" just doesn't hold up, in my opinion. A = micro can be=20 placed anywhere, so that shoots down 99% of virtuals right = there.  I know=20 I am not the only one who likes to read historical signs at the side = of=20 freeways, and I find them a good lesson, as well as a "find". What = would it=20 hurt GC.com to list Virts? They already list Benchmarks, there is no = logbook=20 to sign or swag to trade when you do those. Why is one forced to put = yet=20 ANOTHER micro at a location, just to get a Virtual approved? It is = just an=20 unnecessary piece of geo-litter. Why the crackdown on Virtuals, = anyhow? If GC.=20 com is trying to free up server space by eliminating Virts, they=20 should begin by deleting the 150+ pages of past forum = discussions=20 that no one references anyway. A Virtual cache should be allowed = anywhere=20 (with MERIT, remember) and should be able to be placed by anyone. I = should be=20 able to place a Virtual in Siberia, if I wanted, because there is no=20 maintenance to do on these types of caches. What does it hurt to place = a Virt=20 there? Nothing at all. If people don't want to do it, then they don't = have to,=20 but there shouldn't be a push to eliminate listing them from the site. = It=20 seems that GC.com is wanting to list the types of caches that = appeal to=20 THEM only.
As far as those people in RV's, if you frequent a certain route, = I think=20 you should be able to place a cache there. How often do normal caches = get=20 maintained? Twice a year? I would bet even less than that. Those = people in=20 RV's that want to place a cache and are able to get to it even once a = year=20 should be allowed to do so. Most of the time cachers will be able to = change=20 out a logbook or fix a small problem with the cache anyhow. The = maintenance=20 excuse for not allowing a cache is really a joke. How many caches have = you all=20 seen that are not going to get maintained at all? Caches on top of = mountains?=20 Or ones way out in the desert? There are plenty of examples out there. = I don't=20 buy that excuse for cache denial, since MOST cachers never do = cache=20 maintenance anyways.
 
Something needs to change, that's for sure. All types of caches = need to=20 be accomodated, and there should not be such a restrictive nature to=20 GC.com.
 
Panda, I think the camp-out idea would be cool. When you submit = it, just=20 be sure to mention that we will all be talking about caching at some = point=20 during the event.
 

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The=20 New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product=20 search
------=_NextPart_001_0057_01C3876A.9BDB4EB0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C3876A.9BDB4EB0 Content-Type: image/gif; name="spacer.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://216.21.229.207/images/spacer.gif R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAAAAACH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw== ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C3876A.9BDB4EB0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 30 23:12:05 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Response to "The Finds" and "Virtuals" In-Reply-To: <200309302255.PAA20529@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: <20030930231205.89650.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1578899786-1064963525=:88766 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- J H/TEAM 360 wrote: I know I am not the only one who likes > to read historical signs at the side of freeways, > and I find them a good lesson, as well as a "find". I thought you didn't care about 'finds' anymore? :D As I still go out caching, of course I care about the "finds". I just don't care about the numbers (stats). Big difference. If GC.com is trying to > free up server space by eliminating Virts, they > should begin by deleting the 150+ pages of past > forum discussions that no one references anyway. Sounds like a number I posted recently ;) Didn't know about that, because I don't follow numbers anymore. I guess great minds think alike, what can I say? Seriously, while I don't mind virtuals WITH MERIT, the game is geoCACHING (emphasis mine). The idea is to find a hidden container and sign a logbook proving you found it. Virtuals were designed to allow playing the game at places that could not support a hidden container, such as NPS land. Virtuals were created as a new spin on the game, which GC.com SAYS it encourages, but really frowns upon behind the scenes. With all of the unique micro-containers floating around out there, it is hard to find a place that could only have a true virtual cache. What's wrong with hiding a logsheet/book at an interesting site rather than having the finder email a picture or codeword to you? Does it really take something away from the experience? No, it adds to it. Adds more geotrash, that is! Maybe I don't want to clutter up everyplace with yet another micro. Do you really think the finder is going to learn something more by not logging a book and email you instead? I don't buy that one. I've found a few virtuals and couldn't tell you what I 'learned' at any of them. I haven't had the desire to find out more about why the monument or marker was placed there. I imagine most other cachers are about the same. =====FriarED I have learned quite a bit about this great state of Arizona and its history by actually taking the time and reading some of those monuments. If you don't like them, hey then, just don't do them. No one is forcing you to, but don't take away the fun for those of us who DO like them. Plenty of mountaintop ones I don't like, either, but they don't bother me, I just move on down the list. Live and let live, my brother. There are plenty of you who don't like virtuals. That is fine for you. But you are insisting virtuals be eliminated for those who enjoy doing them. That stinks. I think some virtuals have more merit than just another altoids tin or tupperware among another trashy area. I'm picky and I don't do every cache. Why can't those of you who hate virtuals leave them alone for the rest of us to enjoy? Amen. Can I get an amen? Lemme hear ya! I have a cache that I want to do this year similar to one I did last year involving the statues on Main street in Mesa. I have to incorporate a cache with it now. I think it degrades my cache. Now people will walk around, see the statues and have to drive a few miles away just to claim credit for it. I would have liked the option to keep it as a virtual cache. Yet another example of being forced down by "The Man". Yes, looking for the logbook... tearing up landscaping, pulling down ivy, turning over rocks, tipping over a fountain and looking at the bottom, just playing the game. Not pointing fingers, but these things happen. And that's the TRUTH! Maybe GPSax CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1578899786-1064963525=:88766 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii



--- J H/TEAM 360 wrote:
I know I am not the only one who likes
> to read historical signs at the side of freeways,
> and I find them a good lesson, as well as a "find".

I thought you didn't care about 'finds' anymore? :D

As I still go out caching, of course I care about the "finds". I just don't care about the numbers (stats). Big difference.

If GC.com is trying to
> free up server space by eliminating Virts, they
> should begin by deleting the 150+ pages of past
> forum discussions that no one references anyway.

Sounds like a number I posted recently ;)

Didn't know about that, because I don't follow numbers anymore. I guess great minds think alike, what can I say?

Seriously, while I don't mind virtuals WITH MERIT, the
game is geoCACHING (emphasis mine). The idea is to
find a hidden container and sign a logbook proving you
found it. Virtuals were designed to allow playing the
game at places that could not support a hidden
container, such as NPS land.

Virtuals were created as a new spin on the game, which GC.com SAYS it encourages, but really frowns upon behind the scenes.


With all of the unique micro-containers floating
around out there, it is hard to find a place that
could only have a true virtual cache. What's wrong
with hiding a logsheet/book at an interesting site
rather than having the finder email a picture or
codeword to you? Does it really take something away
from the experience?

No, it adds to it. Adds more geotrash, that is! Maybe I don't want to clutter up everyplace with yet another micro.

Do you really think the finder is
going to learn something more by not logging a book
and email you instead? I don't buy that one. I've
found a few virtuals and couldn't tell you what I
'learned' at any of them. I haven't had the desire to
find out more about why the monument or marker was
placed there. I imagine most other cachers are about
the same. =====FriarED

I have learned quite a bit about this great state of Arizona and its history by actually taking the time and reading some of those monuments. If you don't like them, hey then, just don't do them. No one is forcing you to, but don't take away the fun for those of us who DO like them. Plenty of mountaintop ones I don't like, either, but they don't bother me, I just move on down the list. Live and let live, my brother.

There are plenty of you who don't like virtuals. That is fine for you. But you are insisting virtuals be eliminated for those who enjoy doing them. That stinks. I think some virtuals have more merit than just another altoids tin or tupperware among another trashy area. I'm picky and I don't do every cache. Why can't those of you who hate virtuals leave them alone for the rest of us to enjoy?
 
Amen. Can I get an amen? Lemme hear ya!
 
I have a cache that I want to do this year similar to one I did last year involving the statues on Main street in Mesa. I have to incorporate a cache with it now. I think it degrades my cache. Now people will walk around, see the statues and have to drive a few miles away just to claim credit for it. I would have liked the option to keep it as a virtual cache.
 
Yet another example of being forced down by "The Man".
 
Yes, looking for the logbook... tearing up landscaping,
pulling down ivy, turning over rocks, tipping over a fountain
and looking at the bottom, just playing the game. Not pointing
fingers,
but these things happen.

And that's the TRUTH! Maybe GPSax CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1578899786-1064963525=:88766-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Sep 30 23:54:45 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Come on now. In-Reply-To: <200310010005.RAA20910@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: <20030930235445.31088.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1716852007-1064966085=:30952 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For someone who doesn't care about having their own caches anymore, I don't understand why you are complaining. Were you going to make a grand re-re-entrance into Geocaching as an active participant by logging finds online? Why don't you save the drama? I am left wondering what is is that I did to you to make you so angry. Where is this personal attack coming from? By the way, I am not complaining, Brian. I can post an opinion, can't I? What, I can't state an opinion anymore without someone (you) jumping on me and saying I am complaining? Quit trying to make something out of nothing. This is an open forum and I will state what I want. I can do that without personally attacking you, too. I didn't see you jumping on Highpointer (Ken) for his similar views. What caused you to single out me? Leave the personal attacks out of it. And for your information, I don't log my finds online. I will play the game MY way, not yours. Got it? If you want to continue this on a one-on-one basis, just email me team360wwg@yahoo.com, and I will be more than happy to clear things up for you. This is not the place for attacks. Let's discuss the issues without discussing the cachers, okay? I understand why they are limiting the approvals of virtual caches. It's so every roadside sign/'landmark'/object doesn't turn into a virtual. But having a cache every .1 miles is okay, right? Again, I said that the Virtual should have some MERIT to it. As I recall, those in the forums also believed that a micro would be better-suited for one sign in particular that looks strikingly similar to the shape of the State of Nevada. Again, this is no longer about just that particular micro. Get past it, I did, and it's a dead issue. GC.com is making attempts at returning to their roots, which are PHYSICAL caches with PAPER logs to sign. So no more "We strongly encourage variations on the game" thinking from GC.com? It would appear that GC.com is saying one thing, and doing another. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1716852007-1064966085=:30952 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

For someone who doesn't care about having their own caches anymore, I don't understand why you are complaining.  Were you going to make a grand re-re-entrance into Geocaching as an active participant by logging finds online?
 
Why don't you save the drama? I am left wondering what is is that I did to you to make you so angry. Where is this personal attack coming from? By the way, I am not complaining, Brian. I can post an opinion, can't I? What, I can't state an opinion anymore without someone (you) jumping on me and saying I am complaining? Quit trying to make something out of nothing. This is an open forum and I will state what I want. I can do that without personally attacking you, too. I didn't see you jumping on Highpointer (Ken) for his similar views. What caused you to single out me? Leave the personal attacks out of it. And for your information, I don't log my finds online. I will play the game MY way, not yours. Got it? If you want to continue this on a one-on-one basis, just email me team360wwg@yahoo.com, and I will be more than happy to clear things up for you. This is not the place for attacks. Let's discuss the issues w ithout discussing the cachers, okay?
 
I understand why they are limiting the approvals of virtual caches.  It's so every roadside sign/'landmark'/object doesn't turn into a virtual. 
 
But having a cache every .1 miles is okay, right? Again, I said that the Virtual should have some MERIT to it.
 
 As I recall, those in the forums also believed that a micro would be better-suited for one sign in particular that looks strikingly similar to the shape of the State of Nevada.
 
Again, this is no longer about just that particular micro. Get past it, I did, and it's a dead issue.

GC.com is making attempts at returning to their roots, which are PHYSICAL caches with PAPER logs to sign. 
 
So no more "We strongly encourage variations on the game" thinking from GC.com? It would appear that GC.com is saying one thing, and doing another.
 
 

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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1716852007-1064966085=:30952--
 
 
Rand
 
----- Original Message -----
From:= Trisha
Sent: Saturday, = September 13, 2003 9:52 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Sub= ject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] off topic-9/11
 

U= m, can you give us another hint? Currently you can only search for a
t= ravel bug by a keyword, so the ID # didn't get me anywhere....
Trisha<= BR>

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 23:23:13 -0700, "Ken" wrote:
TB6C9

 

----- Original Message -----


  From: conni= e.farquhar@cox.net 
  &nb= sp; 
  EXTREMELY well said Terry. I agree 100% with your   statement.
  --Connie
  Team
  "Wyle E"<= BR> 
   

-----Original Message-----
   

 <= STRONG>General BracketSent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:55 
    

    I'm of t= he opinion that one of the very things
    that makes = us Americans is that we are able move past these types
of
 &n= bsp;  tragedies and remember them for what they are, which in this c= ase
    is the great and sometimes terrible = price that we pay for our
    freedom.
  =    
    I remember 9/11.  Am I having a = tough time
    with it?  No.  I remember tha= t my fellow countrymen paid for my
    freedom with th= eir blood, and it makes me proud of them and
forever
  &= nbsp; grateful.  Freedom isn't cheap, and
    tho= se who pay the price in your stead deserve your pride and
respect, not=
    your sorrow or pity (NOT implying that Gale is no= t prideful or
    respectful).  9/11 for me is at= once both a terrible and great
moment
    in our h= istory.  Not only did it demonstrate what freedom costs,
it
&= nbsp;   also demonstrated what freedom has made us; virtuallyindestructible in the
    face of insurmountable tra= gedy and loss.
     
    I remem= ber an interview with the wife of a man
    who had fo= ught back against hijackers.  He had called her on the
phone
=     moments before taking action.  It was an act whic= h inevitably led
to
    the his death.  T= his woman had lost her husband and the father of
    h= er child.  She wasn't tearful or sad.  She was smiling and=
    proud, and it showed through very clearly.  = That about sums up how
I
    feel, and how I think = others should feel. 
     
  &n= bsp; Stand tall people.  Remember 9/11 for
    te= sting our mettle, and us having passed the test with flying
 &nb= sp;  colors.
     
    --     
    Terry Hernlund/General = Bracket
     
     
&nbs= p;  
     

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From: Gale Draper 
  = ;          
 &n= bsp;    There are no words for this day. Anyone else havin= g a tough time
with
      it?
 &n= bsp;   
     
  = ;    Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
   &nb= sp;   
       
  =     9/11   Never Forget 
   ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C379FB.FBB98EE0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 14 00:47:14 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian LaFrance) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:47:14 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Posting Finds Message-ID: Does anybody know of a program or site that makes it faster to post multiple finds? Filling out the form over and over on Geocaching.com for a long day of caching seems like a lot more work than it has to be...but I could be wrong. Brian Team AZEvil From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Sep 14 04:29:48 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Richard E Holmes) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:29:48 -0700 Subject: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in Arizona?] References: Message-ID: <010801c37a78$d56d9a60$5c360244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0105_01C37A3E.28E58F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try Zuma's, especially at happy hour! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mimi Philpott=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 6:28 PM Subject: RE: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in = Arizona?] or Murphey's -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Gale = Draper Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:27 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately in = Arizona?] PLace one at Gurley Street Grill and I'm there. Regan L Smith wrote:=20 a better idea let's all carpool with ken and place a cache under = every park bench in Prescott!!!!!!!!!! Think people I rather have quality that quantity just placing a = cache to get a find is not a reason to place a cache, I also feel that = until you have found a minimum of 50 percent of the caches placed in the state, = don't bemoan the point and waste your time which could be better spent = on finding all those caches that people do place under a park bench and not = say on top of a hill with a slight cave... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Ford, Denny"=20 To:=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: RE: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately = in Arizona?] > With the 1% rule in place I guess the Tres Hombres are safe we = are at 1.45% > that is until I log all the ones I have done and not logged. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Heitowit [mailto:mheitowit@usa.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:46 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why very few new caches lately = in > Arizona?] > > > If every team with 100 or more finds were to place 1% of their = finds, there > would be more caches than Circle K's and Walgreens combined here = in Phoenix. > > "Trisha" wrote: > > > OK, not to belabor my point (but I guess this will) I just = checked the > > AZ caching stats. Of the top 25 teams, all with over 350 = finds, just > > over half have hidden LESS THAN 10 caches. I'm not picking on = anybody > > in particular, but maybe if those who are benefitting the most = (most > > finds) would step up and put out a few more caches (no more = excuses! > > you have over 350 finds!) then it would make Ken happier....? > > Trisha "Lightning" > > Prescott > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Ken Akerman wrote: > > > > I've been looking at the list of new caches, and it appears = that there > > is very little new cache activity in Arizona during the past = week. > > There have been only two new caches approved in Arizona since = Sept. 2, > > while in Utah there have been 19 new caches approved in the = past seven > > days. > > > > There are many great places to put caches in the high = elevations of > > Arizona. There are still many regions of the state of Arizona = that > > don't have many caches. I may make one or two new caches and = hide them > > this weekend, potentially near the Mogollon Rim. Don't = complain about< BR>> > the heat in the Phoenix area - the high = elevations are less than two > > hours away and the gasoline is less expensive in towns like = Payson and > > Prescott than it is in Phoenix. > > > > Why does Utah continue to outpace Arizona in cache activity? = Utah has > > less than half the population of Arizona, yet Utah has 1,893 = caches as > > of today, while Arizona has 1,733 caches. We really should = have more > > caches than our neighboring state to the north. (This has = always > > irritated me that Utah has more caches than Arizona. Why = should Utah > > be a better geocaching state than Arizona? I would like to = challenge > > Arizona to become the best geocaching state in the USA). > > > > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > = http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. 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