[Az-Geocaching] Cache In/Trash Out?
Regan Smith
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Sat, 7 Sep 2002 17:43:05 -0700
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Pleading guilty
as lastnight when Team Evil Fish went for our first find to commemorate =
our 100th cache I saw an aluminum can by the cache when it was replaced =
did I pick it up? did my teammate pick it up? (as we have done on many a =
cache both noted in the log and not) NO! but as the wind and dust and =
rain started that wasn't a high priority on our list of things to do yes =
as it is an excuse as the cache located .11 miles away that also =
contained a Travel Bug but were unable to visit as we were prepared to =
pick up trash as we had on our two previous visits...
what is our punishment???
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Joe Brekke=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 2:27 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache In/Trash Out?
<ok, climbing on a mini soapbox here>
Today we were the 4th team to find a new cache in the East Valley. =
When we got to the site, I was surprised to find 2 very old crumpled pop =
cans, a straw, an old mostly rolled up piece of tin foil, and a cracked =
and beaten plastic cup right at the cache site! I mean from the =
position that you had to find and retrieve the cache, these items were =
right at your feet...and as you sat to log your find you couldn't help =
but notice them. They aren't there any more, we picked them up and put =
them in the garbage can that was about 110 feet from the cache.
Then we also decided to visit a nearby .17 miles away cache that we =
had previously found as there was a travel bug there and we were going =
to pick it up if it was still there (it wasn't). We found some bags in =
the cache along with a copy of the Cache In/Cache Out Cache. We grabbed =
a bag and filled it up coming out of there. Again, a lot of this trash =
was not hard to find and has had to have been passed up by the numerous =
finders of the cache. There is more trash there, we ran out of room. =20
When Geocachers got bad press in the Republic, we were quick to point =
out that we practice Cache In/Trash Out to formulate our argument we had =
a stewrdship for the land and sites . Also I noticed in the informal =
survey that was on this site that most everyone either put that they =
"Usually" or "Always" practice Cache In/Trash Out. It would seem from =
my exerience today that this may not be true.
I have seen evidence of Cache In/Trash Out. The Lake Front Property =
Cache is a good example. In the logs that I read of the cache it was =
said that there was a lot of trash in the area, and cachers had =
mentioned picking some of it up. By the time I got there to find the =
cache, ther was NO trash left...except the cache container which in it's =
position could have been mistaken for trash. In this case I say we did =
a great job!!! Bravo to those who picked up the trash.
I'm not one to say that I always at a cache site go around for 100 yds =
in each direction and pick up what I find...heck, at some cache sites =
I've been to you couldn't possibly clean it all up. But I have and do =
stop to pick up trash that is at my feet or that I walk right next to on =
my route to get to and from the cache. I think this is logical and =
realistic expectation
My point is that at least 3 Cache Teams (who are pretty experienced =
teams) and the Cache hider of the new cache had to have seen this =
trash...being as it was located where you had to be to retrieve the =
cache. Why wasn't it picked up? Are we in that much of a hurry to get =
to the next cache?
I believe in the light of some of the bad press that we have received =
that we need to take care and pay attention to our claims. While I'm =
not saying that we need to pack out a pick-up truck load of trash at =
these sites, a bag or part of a bag if that is all the trash that is in =
the area shouldn't be too hard. I would certainly say that taking the =
10 seconds to pick up the trash that was at my feet at this particular =
cache site was not too hard.
Let's just be sure that the claims that we have made on this listserv =
ar factual and being lived up to.
Thanks,
Joe
TeamBlunder
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pleading guilty</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>as lastnight when Team Evil Fish went =
for our first=20
find to commemorate our 100th cache I saw an aluminum can by the cache =
when it=20
was replaced did I pick it up? did my teammate pick it up? (as we =
have done=20
on many a cache both noted in the log and not) NO! but as the wind =
and dust=20
and rain started that wasn't a high priority on our list of things to do =
yes as=20
it is an excuse as the cache located .11 miles away that also contained =
a Travel=20
Bug but were unable to visit as we were prepared to pick up trash as we =
had on=20
our two previous visits...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>what is our punishment???</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Djoenveng@cableaz.com =
href=3D"mailto:joenveng@cableaz.com">Joe=20
Brekke</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
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href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September 07, =
2002 2:27=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Az-Geocaching] Cache =
In/Trash=20
Out?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><ok, climbing on a mini soapbox=20
here></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Today we were the 4th team to find a =
new cache in=20
the East Valley. When we got to the site, I was surprised to =
find 2 very=20
old crumpled pop cans, a straw, an old mostly rolled up piece of tin =
foil, and=20
a cracked and beaten plastic cup right at the cache site! I mean =
from=20
the position that you had to find and retrieve the cache, these items =
were=20
right at your feet...and as you sat to log your find you couldn't help =
but=20
notice them. They aren't there any more, we picked them up and =
put them=20
in the garbage can that was about 110 feet from the =
cache.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Then we also decided to visit a =
nearby .17 miles=20
away cache that we had previously found as there was a travel bug =
there and we=20
were going to pick it up if it was still there (it wasn't). We =
found=20
some bags in the cache along with a copy of the Cache In/Cache Out=20
Cache. We grabbed a bag and filled it up coming out of =
there. =20
Again, a lot of this trash was not hard to find and has had to have =
been=20
passed up by the numerous finders of the cache. There is more =
trash=20
there, we ran out of room. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When Geocachers got bad press in the =
Republic, we=20
were quick to point out that we practice Cache In/Trash Out to =
formulate=20
our argument we had a stewrdship for the land and sites =
. Also=20
I noticed in the informal survey that was on this site that most =
everyone=20
either put that they "Usually" or "Always" practice Cache In/Trash =
Out. =20
It would seem from my exerience today that this may not be =
true.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have seen evidence of Cache =
In/Trash Out. =20
The Lake Front Property Cache is a good example. In the logs =
that I read=20
of the cache it was said that there was a lot of trash in the area, =
and=20
cachers had mentioned picking some of it up. By the time I got =
there to=20
find the cache, ther was NO trash left...except the cache container =
which in=20
it's position could have been mistaken for trash. In this case I =
say we=20
did a great job!!! Bravo to those who picked up the =
trash.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm not one to say that I always at a =
cache site=20
go around for 100 yds in each direction and pick up what I =
find...heck, at=20
some cache sites I've been to you couldn't possibly clean it all =
up. But=20
I have and do stop to pick up trash that is at my feet or that I walk =
right=20
next to on my route to get to and from the cache. I think this =
is=20
logical and realistic expectation</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My point is that at least 3 Cache =
Teams (who are=20
pretty experienced teams) and the Cache hider of the new cache had to =
have=20
seen this trash...being as it was located where you had to be to =
retrieve the=20
cache. Why wasn't it picked up? Are we in that much of a =
hurry to=20
get to the next cache?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I believe in the light of some of the =
bad press=20
that we have received that we need to take care and pay attention to =
our=20
claims. While I'm not saying that we need to pack out a pick-up =
truck=20
load of trash at these sites, a bag or part of a bag if that is all =
the trash=20
that is in the area shouldn't be too hard. I would certainly say =
that=20
taking the 10 seconds to pick up the trash that was at my feet at this =
particular cache site was not too hard.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let's just be sure that the claims =
that we have=20
made on this listserv ar factual and being lived up to.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Joe</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>TeamBlunder</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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