[Az-Geocaching] gggrrrrrrrrrr more mis infromation from the site stewards
mike and gale jett
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Wed, 06 Nov 2002 17:15:51 +0000
Thank you.
>From: "WOLFB8" <Wolfb8@cox.net>
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] gggrrrrrrrrrr more mis infromation from the
>site stewards
>Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:04:38 -0700
>
>Mike and Gale below is the article that is being talked about right
>now......
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>I guess what really has me upset at this point in time is that fact that
>the article is in the November 2002 issue of the watch.... this is over a
>month since the meeting happened...and there has been allot of time to
>rewrite it so that the true story was told...
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>the fact that all site stewards have now been misinformed and this was
>allowed... To me the way the article was place in the new letter did not
>look like a editorial....it reads the same as the rest of the new letter
>and seems to present it self as a "guild line to follow"
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>I am planning on attending the steward training program this month so
>hopefully will be allowed to respond to this article in the dec issues of
>the watch...
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>NEW OUT DOOR GAME IMPACTS ARCHAEOLOGY
>By Shelley Rasmussen, Site Steward
>
>in May oF 2000, the Clinton Administration took the restrictions off the
>OPS (Global Positioning System) to a!low the coordinates to be more
>accurate f0r civilians. Within a few days, geocaching was born. Since then,
>geocaching has become international, encompassing 134 countries and, as of
>August 2, 2002, there are over 34,000 active geocache sites. There are also
>over 800 geocaches in Arizona and the number is rt'sing exponentially.
>
>
>what is geocaching? it is a high tech scavenger hunt that requires a
>computer; a OPS and in many cases a four wheel drive vehicle or an API. To
>play this game, the coordinates of a geocache are given on the internet,
>and then the idea is to go out into the field to find the cache, using a
>GPS. The cache is usually a Tupperware bow!, ammo can or plastic bucket.
>Within the container am trinkets or toys that the geocachers are to take
>one and leave one and return to the web site to disCuss their adventure, as
>well as, to keep track of how many geocaches they have Found. This is a
>great way to hone your navigational skills and a fun Family or group
>experience.
>
>
>The problem that we have, as Site Stewards and members of the
>archaeological community, is that there are many archaeological sites that
>are being used for placing geocaches. The impact to these archaeological
>sites has been dramatic with artifacts being removed and in some cases the
>confidentiality of the location of the sites having been compromised. The
>environmental impact is also damaging, where the ATV's have driven off the
>roads and beaten new trails to the sites.
>
>
>There is a rule on the geocache web site
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>o ~AMP~klPAC Lb
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>that claims that permission shouid be asked to place the cache whether it
>is located on private or pu6lic land. There is also a paragraph that states
>that as of May 28, 2002, archaeological sites are not to be used for
>geocaching and any caches located at or near an archaeological site should
>be moved. So far, no one has acknowledged this rule.
>
>
>The land managers are working on pollcies dealing with this issue. Arizona
>State Land Department has proclaimed that geocaching is not allowed on
>Arizona State Trust Lands and geocaches will be confiscated and in order to
>claim their cache, the coordinates are given to the downtown office for
>Arizona State Trust Lands. BtM~s policy is that geocoching is permitted on
>their public land us long as the geocachers stay out of wilderness areas as
>well as cultural resource sites and special fragile areas. Maricopa County
>Parks discourages geacaching in the County ~arks and, not allowing
>geocachiny at archaeological sites,
>
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>We have no problem with geocaching, as long as the geocachers follow their
>own rules and stay away from the archaeological sites and be careful not to
>impact the environment in a negative way. We just ask for responsible
>geocaching.
>
>
>To find out if there is geocaching going on in your area, go to
>
>AKChALQ<LP LY
>
>http://www.geocaching.com and enter your zip code. You will get a list of
>geacaches in the area and when you select one, you will gala read out and a
>map showing the geocache locations, as well as the coordinates.
>
>
>As thIs newsletter goes to print, Mary Estes, the State Program Coordinator
>and Steve Gross, representing the Arizona geocachers, are planning a
>meeting to open dialogue between the Arizona Site Stewards and the
>geocachers. Representatives of the Site Program and various land managers
>have also been invited. We will report the results of this meetin~ in the
>next
>
>WATCH.
>
>We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mike and gale jett
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] gggrrrrrrrrrr more mis infromation from the
>site stewards
>
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> Some of us are in the dark as to what you are talking about. What and
>where
> is this article Ms. Rasmussen has written that everyone is so upset
>about?
> Sometimes I wonder if I get all the Listserv e-mail.
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> >From: Chelby Geiss <chelby@desertsol.com>
> >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] gggrrrrrrrrrr more mis infromation from
>the
> >site stewards
> >Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:07:34 -0700
> >
> >I have been staring at a black page for 30 minutes trying to put into
>words
> >how I feel about this.
> >
> >I am curious...out of all of us who were paired up with a land agency
>at
> >the meeting, how many of you made post-meeting contact and continue to
> >contact?
> >I scan the Gila River reservation once a month for any new caches and
>send
> >an update to their representative...although I have yet to receive a
> >response.
> >
> >I am trying to keep in mind that , yes, that article was written
> >pre-September 27th...but it honestly makes my heart sink because some
>how
> >I'm not sure she would have written the article any different after
> >attending our meeting. I hope some good has come from that meeting
>though
> >the other contacts we made that evening.
> >C:)
> >Team desertSol
> >Chelby & Kevin
> >+
> >Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds)
> >Apache Junction, AZ
> >www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching
> >
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